Tuned/PP C63 vs. 2015 M3/M4
03-21-2015, 11:15 PM
#76
I do not disagree with personal experience, but a 20-30 min test drive on side streets and highways near a dealer are not quite the best crucible for these cars. A C63 sedan without PP died on me last year (had to be towed back) and procrastinated my purchase until the F80 M3 came out, but my dealer (or a couple nearby) does not have a DCT M3 or M4 to flog. I will admit that I was able to test out a C63 coupe with PP today, and it felt much better than the standard C63, which did not feel significantly better than my 335 with a tune.
335 is a pos compared to the m156.
n54/n55 are both garbage.
03-26-2015, 03:05 AM
#77
Member
My buddy has a F80 m3 with down pipes no tune., I just happen to havea tuned only c63 sedan 2010,
when he and I ran at a 40 with me in manual mode he pulled 2 cars nothing I could do to shorten it.
when we later ran at a local track event from a 40 with me in S1 auto I stayed a fender ahead of him the whole race. it literally came down to who ever hit it first. BTW my car in renntech tuned.
when he and I ran at a 40 with me in manual mode he pulled 2 cars nothing I could do to shorten it.
when we later ran at a local track event from a 40 with me in S1 auto I stayed a fender ahead of him the whole race. it literally came down to who ever hit it first. BTW my car in renntech tuned.
03-26-2015, 11:06 AM
#78
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Haha gtfo. Don't you bring the n54 into that convo. Have you even ever had one?
Yeah, forged block from factory that can easily handle 700whp and with a tune/downpipes... My 135i would most likely give the c63 a run for it's money and for about half if not 1/3 the cost.
Please tell me you've had an n54 and you aren't just bashing away
Yeah, forged block from factory that can easily handle 700whp and with a tune/downpipes... My 135i would most likely give the c63 a run for it's money and for about half if not 1/3 the cost.
Please tell me you've had an n54 and you aren't just bashing away
03-26-2015, 11:16 AM
#79
Member
Haha gtfo. Don't you bring the n54 into that convo. Have you even ever had one?
Yeah, forged block from factory that can easily handle 700whp and with a tune/downpipes... My 135i would most likely give the c63 a run for it's money and for about half if not 1/3 the cost.
Please tell me you've had an n54 and you aren't just bashing away
Yeah, forged block from factory that can easily handle 700whp and with a tune/downpipes... My 135i would most likely give the c63 a run for it's money and for about half if not 1/3 the cost.
Please tell me you've had an n54 and you aren't just bashing away
03-26-2015, 11:34 AM
#80
Senior Member
Wow, did not mean to bring out the trolls. My comment was more to get the opinions of owners the F80 and W204 - the test drive is not the best environment to appreciate the full range of a vehicle, especially ones that require higher RPM (ie E90/E92 M3).
Coming from a tuned 335i, which has most of its torque available at low RPMs, I had a hard time appreciating the base C63 before it broke down on test drive lest year. And if you are only walking a 335/135 with a tuned C63, then it can't be that much of a POS...
Now, I ended up buying a C63 with P31, so I guess I am a convert.
Coming from a tuned 335i, which has most of its torque available at low RPMs, I had a hard time appreciating the base C63 before it broke down on test drive lest year. And if you are only walking a 335/135 with a tuned C63, then it can't be that much of a POS...
Now, I ended up buying a C63 with P31, so I guess I am a convert.
03-26-2015, 04:25 PM
#81
Haha gtfo. Don't you bring the n54 into that convo. Have you even ever had one?
Yeah, forged block from factory that can easily handle 700whp and with a tune/downpipes... My 135i would most likely give the c63 a run for it's money and for about half if not 1/3 the cost.
Please tell me you've had an n54 and you aren't just bashing away
Yeah, forged block from factory that can easily handle 700whp and with a tune/downpipes... My 135i would most likely give the c63 a run for it's money and for about half if not 1/3 the cost.
Please tell me you've had an n54 and you aren't just bashing away
had n54. i wish i would've drove it into a wall sooner.
03-26-2015, 05:37 PM
#82
Wow, did not mean to bring out the trolls. My comment was more to get the opinions of owners the F80 and W204 - the test drive is not the best environment to appreciate the full range of a vehicle, especially ones that require higher RPM (ie E90/E92 M3).
Coming from a tuned 335i, which has most of its torque available at low RPMs, I had a hard time appreciating the base C63 before it broke down on test drive lest year. And if you are only walking a 335/135 with a tuned C63, then it can't be that much of a POS...
Now, I ended up buying a C63 with P31, so I guess I am a convert.
Coming from a tuned 335i, which has most of its torque available at low RPMs, I had a hard time appreciating the base C63 before it broke down on test drive lest year. And if you are only walking a 335/135 with a tuned C63, then it can't be that much of a POS...
Now, I ended up buying a C63 with P31, so I guess I am a convert.
Last edited by xxaarraa; 03-26-2015 at 05:40 PM.
03-26-2015, 08:54 PM
#83
Senior Member
All this talk of "base C63" is very amusing. A V8 with 450/440 feels slower to you than a 335i? You risk losing all credibility by making statements like that. That's like saying "I thought the 'base' Ferrari was slower than my tuned WRX STI, so I went and got the Scuderia" Pretty funny.
I was running a Cobb tune with full exhaust, which was putting out 340-380 ft-lbs at the wheels by 3000 rpm. I don't have my own dyno, but many exist from quick search:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=142
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=388
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=421
The stock C63 is hitting just over 300 ft-lbs at 3000 rpm, and just a little more HP than the 335 after 4000 rpm or so (thanks to ktabor's baseline dyno)
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post5800351
2009 C63 - https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post4675482
The reason is that the N54 is using two small turbos that spool quickly and give everything down low. Hence the power dropping off at higher RPM.
And so I took the C63 out to a twisty section of road closer to my house, and it is just fantastic in all respects. No way the BMW dealership would let me take the demo M4 to a similar section of road to test the car, rather sticking to suburb side streets and highways.
03-27-2015, 09:39 AM
#84
MBWorld Fanatic!
03-27-2015, 12:38 PM
#85
You guys can't beat a 135 or 335i? Lol Wat????????? How grandma like do you people drive your AMG? Ive walked a Stage 2 active autowerks M3 with ease...my friend has a new 335i and he's trading it in for a Scion FRS because the 335i is such garbage he's had it a month and already has issues
Not sure but if you guys are getting walked by cars with 300-350whp against your tuned C63...I think you should trade that C63 in for a Kia due to your driving style.
Not sure but if you guys are getting walked by cars with 300-350whp against your tuned C63...I think you should trade that C63 in for a Kia due to your driving style.
Last edited by avery.whss; 03-27-2015 at 12:41 PM.
03-27-2015, 02:50 PM
#86
Super Member
335i is far from garbage. With very few mods, you can make them pretty fast. Same for the c63 with a tune and headers. You cant compare a 335i to a c63 the same
Way you cant compare a c63 to a f10 m5
Way you cant compare a c63 to a f10 m5
03-27-2015, 06:46 PM
#87
MBWorld Fanatic!
You know I kid, so happy you had one.
I had jb4, catless dps, and e85. Yes Avery, that is a recipe to hang with a c63. Big difference between a 135 and 335. Yes, I've had both and the 1 is a blast! Impressive car FOR THE MONEY
I had jb4, catless dps, and e85. Yes Avery, that is a recipe to hang with a c63. Big difference between a 135 and 335. Yes, I've had both and the 1 is a blast! Impressive car FOR THE MONEY
04-12-2015, 10:35 AM
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C63
Ran against 2 new M3s earlier with downpipes and custom tune. I was slightly pulling away at the end of 4th gear (from 40-150). I have long tube headers, x pipe, catless, no resonator, charcoal intake, and custom tune on a 10' C63
09-01-2015, 10:57 PM
#89
nope, my C63 is probably one of the most modded here thats without a blower, basically bought everything minus a ice tank and all brand new internals and long-tubes, I've had my c63 for 3 years, blown up a few intakes and many parts, pretty sure i'm not completely brain dead, especially with 2 different dyno's on 2 different days put down around the same #'s ...i think the other dyno i ran like 460-465whp on a hot 30c day
i dont really care if you guys wanna trash talk, go for it, all im relaying is #'s i saw on a computer screen that's it
P.S you just joined in march 2015, talk about someone who doesn't know much.
Sales Team
Yes, Benzworks. We see 35-40wHp on the dyno. Headers and tune make +100-120wHp on the dyno for regular C63.
Right from the horses mouth, 30-40whp w/o a tune.
i dont really care if you guys wanna trash talk, go for it, all im relaying is #'s i saw on a computer screen that's it
P.S you just joined in march 2015, talk about someone who doesn't know much.
Sales Team
Yes, Benzworks. We see 35-40wHp on the dyno. Headers and tune make +100-120wHp on the dyno for regular C63.
Right from the horses mouth, 30-40whp w/o a tune.
09-01-2015, 10:59 PM
#90
Thank you! Modded car against another modded car. Other than showing off to your buddies I wouldn't brag about beating a stock with a lot less power and then post about it.
