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There were no times released on the new chevy SS blower and those cars on pump are making what CTSVs with upper and lower pulley and headers on e85 are making. Hellion just came up with a turbo kit for the new 5.0 mustang that put down a scary 900WHP, yes at the wheels on a stock block. No one has asked about 1/4mile times but customers have sense broke 9s with it. got to give it time sir. It really not that common to have 1/4 miles associated with hp numbers on products, the new age has moved on to roll racing and many just want to know power out up. Not saying thats good but just reality of the market in the US. Those gtrs from AMS have never posted 1/4mile with their packages only power out puts because there are just to many variables to say your car will run this or that.
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Reliability of the engine comes down to the tune, the hardware has been proven across many different platforms. The only reason you can say Weistec has been proven is because they have been the only reasonable option for the m156 platform.
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I think you missunderstood what I wrote. The Chevy ss on pump gas (93OCT) with a magison blower is making what a CTSV with upper and lower pulley with headerss are making on e85
It would be nice to see the jump in performance e85 would bring to the superchaged cars. E85 burns clearer and has better detonation resistants then pump gas and ms 109. also allows for more timing and lowers cylinder temps. I'm sure you will be seeing more c63S amgs doing blends quite soon. turbos and e85 are beautiful match. The only down side is the increase in fuel demand.
I think you missunderstood what I wrote. The Chevy ss on pump gas (93OCT) with a magison blower is making what a CTSV with upper and lower pulley with headerss are making on e85
It would be nice to see the jump in performance e85 would bring to the superchaged cars. E85 burns clearer and has better detonation resistants then pump gas and ms 109. also allows for more timing and lowers cylinder temps. I'm sure you will be seeing more c63S amgs doing blends quite soon. turbos and e85 are beautiful match. The only down side is the increase in fuel demand.
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all these guys have been tuning c63s and m156s for years yes they have some N/A records but weistec is proven and proven and proven hence why they hold all the records
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no your wrong there what about eurocharged, OE tuning,brabus, etc etc
all these guys have been tuning c63s and m156s for years yes they have some N/A records but weistec is proven and proven and proven hence why they hold all the records
all these guys have been tuning c63s and m156s for years yes they have some N/A records but weistec is proven and proven and proven hence why they hold all the records
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The magnuson supercharger has been proven to be reliable this same designs is used on multiple platforms. The Weistec tune on the supercharger they sell is the fastest because it is the only reasonably priced supercharger available. Now that we have a more affordable supercharger on the market that is making more power with only 7-8psi we should see some things changing.
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It is amazing to me that e85 is not more common with supercharged m156 you can get much more power and the fuel is less expensive (at least here it is).
Our cars are able to run e85 bren tuning has even posted about it here
bren tuning e85
Our cars are able to run e85 bren tuning has even posted about it here
bren tuning e85
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dyno figures can be manipulated those power figures mean nothing
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It is amazing to me that e85 is not more common with supercharged m156 you can get much more power and the fuel is less expensive (at least here it is).
Our cars are able to run e85 bren tuning has even posted about it here
bren tuning e85
Our cars are able to run e85 bren tuning has even posted about it here
bren tuning e85
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i wish i had a tune for e85
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Won't let me post the link any other way it's on Benz boost
http://www.*********.com/content.php...tuning-results
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Walbro 485 pumps are intake puts that are 150 a piece or you can keep your stock pump and run a surge tank with a inline pump (some think this to be more efficient so you don't have to mess with the stock fuel basket). it's a lot cheaper than people realize.
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It has already been stated that going down the path of E85 is not quite worth the gains.
The costs involved - changing the whole fuel setup, including pump, and lines, plus different tank isn't worth the 30whp you would gain.
This is something you would do as a last resort if you are trying to salvage every last hp you can.
The costs involved - changing the whole fuel setup, including pump, and lines, plus different tank isn't worth the 30whp you would gain.
This is something you would do as a last resort if you are trying to salvage every last hp you can.
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It has already been stated that going down the path of E85 is not quite worth the gains.
The costs involved - changing the whole fuel setup, including pump, and lines, plus different tank isn't worth the 30whp you would gain.
This is something you would do as a last resort if you are trying to salvage every last hp you can.
The costs involved - changing the whole fuel setup, including pump, and lines, plus different tank isn't worth the 30whp you would gain.
This is something you would do as a last resort if you are trying to salvage every last hp you can.
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Our cars are set to run e85 you don't have to change anything except a tune, I've run e85 on evo's, sti's, 335's, gtr's....with no problem so I have no idea what your talking about you have to make sure your tank is empty and you have a tune and I know with gtr's that switches the tune automatically
Go run some E85 in your C63 and let me know how you go.
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Originally Posted by charliekay
Thanks mate. So you are presuming that you can run E85 on C63s with just a tune because you can do it on a GTR?
Go run some E85 in your C63 and let me know how you go.
Go run some E85 in your C63 and let me know how you go.
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It has already been stated that going down the path of E85 is not quite worth the gains.
The costs involved - changing the whole fuel setup, including pump, and lines, plus different tank isn't worth the 30whp you would gain.
This is something you would do as a last resort if you are trying to salvage every last hp you can.
The costs involved - changing the whole fuel setup, including pump, and lines, plus different tank isn't worth the 30whp you would gain.
This is something you would do as a last resort if you are trying to salvage every last hp you can.
The problem is when people look at peak horse power gains instead of the entire power band. Being able to ramp up timing sooner provide power down low and through out the mid range with a highe peak gain. no to mention a MUCH MUCH safer fuel for your motor when it comes to detonation.
Here is a real world example and i will see if i have the dyno sheet on hard drive. Premeire performance a local shop I help out at has a car that they do alot of there test with. RB26 with a 76mm turbo on pump gas the max hp that was achieved as 670whp with 480tq at 26 psi. on e85 the same car no other changes made 951whp at 680qtw on 44psi. E85 is great even running it with nitrous is much safer than running pump gas with has much greater detonating property.
Benz tuners are really behind when it comes to putting this type of info out but even when it comes to running flex fuel. gm car used to have to run a sensor that measured the octane level and adjusted timing accordingly. Now with as fast as the ECU in cars are now GM uses the information from the o2 senors and knock reading to make adjustments so the doesn't require an additional sensor.
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SO are you speaking from hear say or experience?
The problem is when people look at peak horse power gains instead of the entire power band. being able to ramp up timing sooner provide power down low and through out the mid range with a highe peak gain.
Here is a real world example and i will see if i have the dyno sheet on hard drive. Premeire performance a local shop I help out at has a car that they do alot of there test with. RB26 with a 76mm turbo on pump gas the max hp that was achieved as 670whp with 480tq at 26 psi. on e85 the same car no other changes made 951whp at 680qtw on 44psi. E85 is great even running it with nitrous is much safer than running pump gas with has much greater detonating property.
Benz tuners are really behind when it comes to putting this type of info out but even when it comes to running flex fuel. gm car used to have to run a sensor that measured the octane level and adjusted timing accordingly. Now with as fast as the ECU in cars are now GM use the information from the o2 senors and knock reading to make adjustments so the doesn't require an additional sensor.
The problem is when people look at peak horse power gains instead of the entire power band. being able to ramp up timing sooner provide power down low and through out the mid range with a highe peak gain.
Here is a real world example and i will see if i have the dyno sheet on hard drive. Premeire performance a local shop I help out at has a car that they do alot of there test with. RB26 with a 76mm turbo on pump gas the max hp that was achieved as 670whp with 480tq at 26 psi. on e85 the same car no other changes made 951whp at 680qtw on 44psi. E85 is great even running it with nitrous is much safer than running pump gas with has much greater detonating property.
Benz tuners are really behind when it comes to putting this type of info out but even when it comes to running flex fuel. gm car used to have to run a sensor that measured the octane level and adjusted timing accordingly. Now with as fast as the ECU in cars are now GM use the information from the o2 senors and knock reading to make adjustments so the doesn't require an additional sensor.
I've only owned my amg for a few months, I've modified other cars before and I'm starting to notice Benz guys are behind with the times in many different areas compared to other platforms.
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Requirements of e85 are generally 30-40 more fuel to make the power generated on 93 oct.
How ever the detonation property of e85 is drastically lower. Typically NA cars run their injectors pretty high on the duty cycle unless direct injected. On na setup you could still run e85 but your HP gains would be minimal and not worth the cost of tune for the hp gain.
On a forced induction, or nitrous car this is not the case the gains and areas of safety are much better. BENZ, BMW, and audi have some of the fastest reading and adjustin ecus in their class.
The only platform I have seen that does not use e85 at are the UGR lambos and that is not because of cost but yet the owners of those cars are more than willing to pay for race gas so the company finds it easier to stick to that. This coming from the words of the owners of URG them selves.
How ever the detonation property of e85 is drastically lower. Typically NA cars run their injectors pretty high on the duty cycle unless direct injected. On na setup you could still run e85 but your HP gains would be minimal and not worth the cost of tune for the hp gain.
On a forced induction, or nitrous car this is not the case the gains and areas of safety are much better. BENZ, BMW, and audi have some of the fastest reading and adjustin ecus in their class.
The only platform I have seen that does not use e85 at are the UGR lambos and that is not because of cost but yet the owners of those cars are more than willing to pay for race gas so the company finds it easier to stick to that. This coming from the words of the owners of URG them selves.
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I am talking from having discussions with multiple tuners on what fuels are usable on the platform. I race my car (1/4 mile) and am not new to the game, and not new to the platform. If you can tell me from experience something different to what people who have been tuning and modifying the M156 for years then I am all ears.
If you are going to give me some info based on what other cars have done then that is not good enough for me. I'd rather listen to the advice of people who have pushed this car and engine.
If you are going to give me some info based on what other cars have done then that is not good enough for me. I'd rather listen to the advice of people who have pushed this car and engine.
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I am talking from having discussions with multiple tuners on what fuels are usable on the platform. I race my car (1/4 mile) and am not new to the game, and not new to the platform. If you can tell me from experience something different to what people who have been tuning and modifying the M156 for years then I am all ears.
If you are going to give me some info based on what other cars have done then that is not good enough for me. I'd rather listen to the advice of people who have pushed this car and engine.
If you are going to give me some info based on what other cars have done then that is not good enough for me. I'd rather listen to the advice of people who have pushed this car and engine.
Its not any where near as complicated as people try to make it seem and I've found many will try to make something in to some complex discussion instead of just saying we haven't really tested it or we don't know. This being a big issue with tunes on any platiform.
If you can tune for race gas you can tune for e85 the difference is duty cycle required. If you had 100lb injectors they will have the ablity to produce more at 50 percent duty cycle on c16 than they will be on e85 because e85 requires more volume.
Benz has quite a few vehicles that are factory tuned for flex fuel. If your tuner is willing to safely tune you car for it you can run e85. when you reach the limits of your fuel pump and injectors they get upgraded plain an simple.
