Boostane Octane Boost-Tried and Tested
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There is no magic here. The C63 is designed to run on 98 gas. Anything less than that and the ECU pulls timing. When the ECU pulls timing it generally pulls more than it needs to so you see dips in the dyno graph. This leads to a drop in power.
This gets even worse on a tuned car that is pushing more timing.
This test was done on a tuned car running 91 octane. So it would have been pulling lots of timing.
Add the booster, and it pulls less or no timing, and you make more power.
In South Africa, we get 95 fuel. I have run my C63 on the dyno on normal pump gas, then filled the tank with normal pump gas and added a bottle of NF, and driven back to the dyno. It consistently makes more power with the NF. I'll have to dig up the graphs to let you know the difference.
Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl (MMT or MCMT) is what I assume is the main additive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth...se_tricarbonyl
This gets even worse on a tuned car that is pushing more timing.
This test was done on a tuned car running 91 octane. So it would have been pulling lots of timing.
Add the booster, and it pulls less or no timing, and you make more power.
In South Africa, we get 95 fuel. I have run my C63 on the dyno on normal pump gas, then filled the tank with normal pump gas and added a bottle of NF, and driven back to the dyno. It consistently makes more power with the NF. I'll have to dig up the graphs to let you know the difference.
Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl (MMT or MCMT) is what I assume is the main additive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth...se_tricarbonyl
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Math. Not too good. I get that you'd rather make up some formula, that's ok. For 12.8oz of anything to raise 8gal (1024oz) of 91 octane gas to 100, it would have to be over 1000 octane. What don't you get about this, it's a calculation, math, it's unarguable. I don't know how to make it any clearer for you slow guy. Your made-up formula there means precisely nothing because it's not based on, you know, logic.
and yes its math and because you got a number the indicates octane booster has a very high effective oct, you think it just cant be because nothing can have a higher octane than gas right? lmao! dude you have no clue about what you are talking about... torco (which is similar to the octane booster) has been tested before and it comes in about 462.... keep arguing with results as if that is going to change the dyno lol
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There is no magic here. The C63 is designed to run on 98 gas. Anything less than that and the ECU pulls timing. When the ECU pulls timing it generally pulls more than it needs to so you see dips in the dyno graph. This leads to a drop in power.
This gets even worse on a tuned car that is pushing more timing.
This test was done on a tuned car running 91 octane. So it would have been pulling lots of timing.
Add the booster, and it pulls less or no timing, and you make more power.
In South Africa, we get 95 fuel. I have run my C63 on the dyno on normal pump gas, then filled the tank with normal pump gas and added a bottle of NF, and driven back to the dyno. It consistently makes more power with the NF. I'll have to dig up the graphs to let you know the difference.
Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl (MMT or MCMT) is what I assume is the main additive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth...se_tricarbonyl
This gets even worse on a tuned car that is pushing more timing.
This test was done on a tuned car running 91 octane. So it would have been pulling lots of timing.
Add the booster, and it pulls less or no timing, and you make more power.
In South Africa, we get 95 fuel. I have run my C63 on the dyno on normal pump gas, then filled the tank with normal pump gas and added a bottle of NF, and driven back to the dyno. It consistently makes more power with the NF. I'll have to dig up the graphs to let you know the difference.
Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl (MMT or MCMT) is what I assume is the main additive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth...se_tricarbonyl
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its math and because you got a number the indicates octane booster has a very high effective oct, you think it just cant be because nothing can have a higher octane than gas right? lmao! dude you have no clue about what you are talking about... torco (which is similar to the octane booster) has been tested before and it comes in about 462.... keep arguing with results as if that is going to change the dyno lol
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nope, about 40.6 % more ( ~650) ... its funny you keep thinking octane booster in terms of gas concentrations ... its like comparing coca leaf concentration vs pure cocaine lol.... there is a reason you only put 16oz in your gas tank
i've used torco in my b5 s4 and picked up 15-20whp on dyno without changing my timing map same day before and many other people on the bmw s63tu platform and gtr as well... this is nothing new
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Originally Posted by Savage-wp
There is no magic here. The C63 is designed to run on 98 gas. Anything less than that and the ECU pulls timing. When the ECU pulls timing it generally pulls more than it needs to so you see dips in the dyno graph. This leads to a drop in power.
This gets even worse on a tuned car that is pushing more timing.
This test was done on a tuned car running 91 octane. So it would have been pulling lots of timing.
Add the booster, and it pulls less or no timing, and you make more power.
In South Africa, we get 95 fuel. I have run my C63 on the dyno on normal pump gas, then filled the tank with normal pump gas and added a bottle of NF, and driven back to the dyno. It consistently makes more power with the NF. I'll have to dig up the graphs to let you know the difference.
Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl (MMT or MCMT) is what I assume is the main additive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth...se_tricarbonyl
This gets even worse on a tuned car that is pushing more timing.
This test was done on a tuned car running 91 octane. So it would have been pulling lots of timing.
Add the booster, and it pulls less or no timing, and you make more power.
In South Africa, we get 95 fuel. I have run my C63 on the dyno on normal pump gas, then filled the tank with normal pump gas and added a bottle of NF, and driven back to the dyno. It consistently makes more power with the NF. I'll have to dig up the graphs to let you know the difference.
Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl (MMT or MCMT) is what I assume is the main additive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth...se_tricarbonyl
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for someone that thinks he's expert in the laws of physics and mechanically inclined, and puts down others he thinks isnt, you sure dont seem to know how much 2 oct (91 vs 89 from your example) is worth in timing and thus hp... general rule is 1.5 oct per 1 degree of timing, and 2-3 hp on n/a motor per degree, so lets do some math.... (91-89)/1.5= 1.33 timing, so 1.33 x 2 hp = 2.66 HP for 89 oct to 91 oct on low est and 1.33 x 3 hp = 3.99 HP for 89 oct to 91 oct on high est... thats a far cry from the 23 hp gained... try again with another excuse
It's not just the octane delta, it's also how much timing would be pulled on 89 and I doubt it would be linear. Incase you don't understand, I am betting on a similar HP loss with 89 vs 91 (maybe 23WHP
) than the HP gain from 91 to whatever this magic sauce raises it to.There is no magic here. The C63 is designed to run on 98 gas. Anything less than that and the ECU pulls timing. When the ECU pulls timing it generally pulls more than it needs to so you see dips in the dyno graph. This leads to a drop in power.
This gets even worse on a tuned car that is pushing more timing.
This test was done on a tuned car running 91 octane. So it would have been pulling lots of timing.
Add the booster, and it pulls less or no timing, and you make more power.
In South Africa, we get 95 fuel. I have run my C63 on the dyno on normal pump gas, then filled the tank with normal pump gas and added a bottle of NF, and driven back to the dyno. It consistently makes more power with the NF. I'll have to dig up the graphs to let you know the difference.
Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl (MMT or MCMT) is what I assume is the main additive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth...se_tricarbonyl
This gets even worse on a tuned car that is pushing more timing.
This test was done on a tuned car running 91 octane. So it would have been pulling lots of timing.
Add the booster, and it pulls less or no timing, and you make more power.
In South Africa, we get 95 fuel. I have run my C63 on the dyno on normal pump gas, then filled the tank with normal pump gas and added a bottle of NF, and driven back to the dyno. It consistently makes more power with the NF. I'll have to dig up the graphs to let you know the difference.
Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl (MMT or MCMT) is what I assume is the main additive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth...se_tricarbonyl
You're way too emotional about this stuff.
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Everyone: 
Me:
playing devils advocate: Considering what people are saying, couldn't I just add a bit of e85 and get the same results?
Me:
playing devils advocate: Considering what people are saying, couldn't I just add a bit of e85 and get the same results?
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If the car can use E85, then yes. Anything that yields a higher octane rating will have less to no detonation, and therefore no retarded timing, which would give more power.
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I'm sure a gallon wouldn't hurt much, would it? That should raise the octane at least close to the specified 98 octane. I would run 50/50 in my 335i (but I was modded and boosting at about 18psi so huge difference in setups). I never replaced my LPFP or HPFP or any of my fuel lines. It ran fine, so Im only assuming we can run a little in our tanks. Again, could be wrong but thats just based off my experience.
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It's not just the octane delta, it's also how much timing would be pulled on 89 and I doubt it would be linear. Incase you don't understand, I am betting on a similar HP loss with 89 vs 91 (maybe 23WHP ) than the HP gain from 91 to whatever this magic sauce raises it to.
) than the HP gain from 91 to whatever this magic sauce raises it to.Last edited by gaspam; Dec 30, 2016 at 12:15 PM.
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also ethanol has about 35% less energy that gas, so unless you increase you're fueling you will lose power...gas has a stoichiometric afr of 14.7 to 1, E85 is 9.8 to 1. So on pump gas we need 14.7 parts air to mix with 1 part gas. On E85 its 1 part fuel to 9.8 parts air. So on E85 the afr needs to be a lot richer, which means it has a larger volume of fuel. For this you need to inject around 35% more e85 to mix with the same volume of air when we switch from gasoline to E85.
i've only seen 1 MB guy running e85 over on the e55 forum and it wasnt an easy path... MB's are a pain with tuning
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it has some variance, but not a 475% variance (23hp vs 4 hp)... for a N/A car that is 300-500 hp the margin of error wouldnt be that big.... for a 8000 hp nitromethane car then sure that hp per degree of timing would be off, but that's not what we are talking about
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Can you also explain how this magic sauce nets a larger gain without being specifically tuned for vs one that has been specifically tuned for with race fuel?
Does that mean you're implying using this stuff on a tuned for 91 C63 is better than using race fuel with a specific tune for it?
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What about RPM, displacement, crank/rod geometry, compression ratio, temperature, fuel table, etc?
Can you also explain how this magic sauce nets a larger gain without being specifically tuned for vs one that has been specifically tuned for with race fuel?
Does that mean you're implying using this stuff on a tuned for 91 C63 is better than using race fuel with a specific tune for it?
Can you also explain how this magic sauce nets a larger gain without being specifically tuned for vs one that has been specifically tuned for with race fuel?
Does that mean you're implying using this stuff on a tuned for 91 C63 is better than using race fuel with a specific tune for it?
you know you gain hp on no2 without tuning for it either right? magic sauce strikes again .. same as nitropropanes/nitroparraffins used in concentrates power adders
and no, specific tune for specific octane is always best.... keep in mind, no tune is 100% perfect in all conditions, in every gear at every speed and every baro pressure, etc. hence why you're car will adjust timing and higher oct will mitigate that to an extent when it happens
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You're on ****ing drugs if you think any octane booster is getting you 100-104 octane (AKI not RON). It may be able to mask low quality gas, but you're not getting instant race gas from this stuff. Put down the pipe.
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Definitely agree with you there. Proper race gas, is always going to be better than pump gas with octane booster.
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i gained 2 mph trap using torco on my b5 s4
hell, even coxoc gained 20 hp under curve on a old mustang like 10yrs ago
http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-t...ower-additive/
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I dont disagree with this... a uniform mixture of pure race gas is better if you can afford to run it and have a VP/sunco station nearby... concentrates can be harsh on fuel systems but they do work... now octane booster from pepboys, different story (crap)
