2009 C63 AMG
#26
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Maybe, but given time I'm willing to bet a small amount of cheese this will happen eventually. The bolts will continue to corrode weakening that already small sectionalism area in the bolt head.
Why introduce coolant into the lubrication system if you don't have to?
Or just hold out until there's a recall 5yrs from now
Why introduce coolant into the lubrication system if you don't have to?
Or just hold out until there's a recall 5yrs from now
out of curiosity since from your sig you have a 2010 C63 which would be in the affected range.
have you replaced the HB? if yes, how much and did you just replace the HB or lifters and cams as well?
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Will not be doing the valve buckets.
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#31
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just got back from looking the car.
car itself is good shape however pulled 2 codes from the car:
P0300 - random misfire detected (thinking maybe ignition coils need to be replaced)
P0171 - system to lean (bank 1) (emissions related i would think)
need to do some research.
car itself is good shape however pulled 2 codes from the car:
P0300 - random misfire detected (thinking maybe ignition coils need to be replaced)
P0171 - system to lean (bank 1) (emissions related i would think)
need to do some research.
#32
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spoke to the shop, was told the anything related to the codes would be fixed and cleared prior to the sale.
my only question is, if they were to clear the code using the OBDII and then after the sale i drove it for 100km and the light came back on, do i have any recourse?
cause if they simply reset it using the OBDII and send me along... i would have no clue til the CEL came back on.
my only question is, if they were to clear the code using the OBDII and then after the sale i drove it for 100km and the light came back on, do i have any recourse?
cause if they simply reset it using the OBDII and send me along... i would have no clue til the CEL came back on.
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I had a code for one of banks being lean. It might have been the same code. My intake manifold gasket was leaking. I replaced it on my own (pcv valve, gaskets and bolts) for relatively cheap. I'd have to look at my records to see the actual price. Intake manifold fasket failures aren't uncommon with the earlier cars.
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#34
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or would it be the third picture (obviously you can see all the HB at this point).
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...swap-m156.html
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just got back from looking the car.
car itself is good shape however pulled 2 codes from the car:
P0300 - random misfire detected (thinking maybe ignition coils need to be replaced)
P0171 - system to lean (bank 1) (emissions related i would think)
need to do some research.
car itself is good shape however pulled 2 codes from the car:
P0300 - random misfire detected (thinking maybe ignition coils need to be replaced)
P0171 - system to lean (bank 1) (emissions related i would think)
need to do some research.
the second picture in this thread, at that point would you be able to see any of the head bolts underneath that plastic cover?
or would it be the third picture (obviously you can see all the HB at this point).
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...swap-m156.html
or would it be the third picture (obviously you can see all the HB at this point).
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...swap-m156.html
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#36
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Are these stored codes or current? If stored how long ago? Maybe IM gasket as chrisridebike8 mentioned. Misfire and lean bank could be an air leak after the MAF but if it happened in the past and was fixed don't worry about it. Swapping out the IM gasket is 30bucks in parts and a few beers work.
With the valve cover removed you can see the HBs. You don't need to yank the cams to see what bolts you have. Just the valve cover.
With the valve cover removed you can see the HBs. You don't need to yank the cams to see what bolts you have. Just the valve cover.
isn't that a 15 minute job? how come i keep reading/seeing people say it's a 1.5-2 hour job?
both codes are current and would need to be addressed prior to sale. only thing is they could easily just reset the CEL using the obd reading and send me on my way.
#38
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appreciate everyones help, thoughts, comments and past experiences.
now it's time to determine whether to pull the trigger.
what do you guys think, yay or nay?
2009 MB C63
149,200km.
$26,000 (CDN) -> approx. $29,000 after taxes.
Iridium Silver
Performance package (Nav, LSD, etc).
now it's time to determine whether to pull the trigger.
what do you guys think, yay or nay?
2009 MB C63
149,200km.
$26,000 (CDN) -> approx. $29,000 after taxes.
Iridium Silver
Performance package (Nav, LSD, etc).
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C63 AMG, P30
appreciate everyones help, thoughts, comments and past experiences.
now it's time to determine whether to pull the trigger.
what do you guys think, yay or nay?
2009 MB C63
149,200km.
$26,000 (CDN) -> approx. $29,000 after taxes.
Iridium Silver
Performance package (Nav, LSD, etc).
now it's time to determine whether to pull the trigger.
what do you guys think, yay or nay?
2009 MB C63
149,200km.
$26,000 (CDN) -> approx. $29,000 after taxes.
Iridium Silver
Performance package (Nav, LSD, etc).
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It's below VMR so depending on the actual condition I'd say it's reasonable.
Budget for HBs and front lower control arms though. Maybe a new IM if the previous owners use ethanol fules.
Originally Posted by VMRCanada
Wholesale: 24475
Retail: 27975
Retail: 27975
#41
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ok, i'll get a quote and see the pricing on those items as well.
it looks like to me even after purchasing the car i'd be looking at a $5k bill on top of the vehicle to do the following:
1) head bolts, cam shaft bolts, valve cover gaskets.
2) valve buckets (not sure whether it's necessary)
3) maintenance items (coolant, oil, rear diff fluid, brake fluid, spark plugs)
4) engine & transmission mounts (i feel like this can wait until symptons arise)
5) intake manifold
6) front lower control arms
anything else? how does my list look, anything you'd remove/add?
#42
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sorry quick question, when you say IM i assume you're referring to the intake manifold? what do you mean by that, are you referring to the gaskets?
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would you also recommend getting the valve buckets done when the HB are being done, is this a necessity, from what i read, not sure these tend to fail alot.
ok, i'll get a quote and see the pricing on those items as well.
it looks like to me even after purchasing the car i'd be looking at a $5k bill on top of the vehicle to do the following:
1) head bolts, cam shaft bolts, valve cover gaskets.
ok, i'll get a quote and see the pricing on those items as well.
it looks like to me even after purchasing the car i'd be looking at a $5k bill on top of the vehicle to do the following:
1) head bolts, cam shaft bolts, valve cover gaskets.
Probably don't need them but another 1k added to #1
~2500 in parts
~2k in parts, easy to inspect before purchase though.[/QUOTE]
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https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ttle-body.html
EDIT: This is the one --> https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...dle-issue.html
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#45
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Yes the intake manifold. I can't find the other thread but there has been issues with the part that bolts the throttle bodies to the IM corroding.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ttle-body.html
EDIT: This is the one --> https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...dle-issue.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ttle-body.html
EDIT: This is the one --> https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...dle-issue.html
the more research i do and look into the C63... for such an expensive car (when purchased new) it sure does have alot of problems and faulty parts.
#47
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haha, thanks for the offer.
knowing all the issues the pre 2011 C63's have, would you still buy one?
i mean for an expensive performance car you wouldn't think you would have to shell out $10,000+ in repairs from the head bolts, intake manifold, engine/tranny mounts, valve buckets... i'm sure there are other things i still have yet to read about.
knowing all the issues the pre 2011 C63's have, would you still buy one?
i mean for an expensive performance car you wouldn't think you would have to shell out $10,000+ in repairs from the head bolts, intake manifold, engine/tranny mounts, valve buckets... i'm sure there are other things i still have yet to read about.
#48
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Yes, I'd still buy one.
The HB preventative repair cost is low.
Front LCA can be checked and negotiated into the price if they're bad.
Valve buckets are likely fine
IM is likely fine.
I forgot to mention the ESP module lol. That one is another 2k if you have issues with it.
It's a 7+ year old 500hp car for dirt cheap.
The HB preventative repair cost is low.
Front LCA can be checked and negotiated into the price if they're bad.
Valve buckets are likely fine
IM is likely fine.
I forgot to mention the ESP module lol. That one is another 2k if you have issues with it.
It's a 7+ year old 500hp car for dirt cheap.
#49
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Yes, I'd still buy one.
The HB preventative repair cost is low.
Front LCA can be checked and negotiated into the price if they're bad.
Valve buckets are likely fine
IM is likely fine.
I forgot to mention the ESP module lol. That one is another 2k if you have issues with it.
It's a 7+ year old 500hp car for dirt cheap.
The HB preventative repair cost is low.
Front LCA can be checked and negotiated into the price if they're bad.
Valve buckets are likely fine
IM is likely fine.
I forgot to mention the ESP module lol. That one is another 2k if you have issues with it.
It's a 7+ year old 500hp car for dirt cheap.
is it only the lower that needs replacing? what about the upper?
http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/m...trol+arm,10401
any specific part you'd recommend for the front LCA?
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The "technically" lower arm is actually called a cross strut by MB. Absolutely nobody makes an aftermarket replacement.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...all-joint.html
The "technically" upper arm I think is called a torque strut by MB or something like that. Other suppliers (lots of them) call it a front lower, but that one is not the problem child.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...all-joint.html
The "technically" upper arm I think is called a torque strut by MB or something like that. Other suppliers (lots of them) call it a front lower, but that one is not the problem child.