AMGonFire

Ok you need different injectors then the ones your supplying if you have long tubes? Thought that was what the car had you where dyno testing? Just confirming confused on the response. I plan on getting this for sure. Working on the wife lol.

mr747

im pretty sure he means he has run out of the factory injectors as he ports them and to get them from another company

CaptnCharisma

Yeah... kinda been dragging *** about sending the injectors back. Gotta get that box out first thing tomorrow. Just ran my first full tank of E85 though and the car spooks me a bit now! Plenty of power there and I still haven't put the pedal all the way down yet.

DavesMeanE's

So, the issue is that we never got any cores back, and 90% of the people want to keep their stocks (which we didn't anticipate). This has led us to re-think the supply for the injectors.

Bottom line is that the kit price will be for the kit and WON'T include injectors.

HOWEVER - if you have longtubes, you *MUST* run at least 550cc or you will run out of fuel at the top. So! The solution is that we will be offering brand new Bosch injectors in lieu of the previous ported ones. The reason for the core program was obviously to keep the cost as low as possible... so naturally the price of new injectors will reflect a slight increase. As before, we wont be looking to make any money on the injectors, just covering our costs. We sold the last kit today at the "launch price" so I wanted to announce the new pricing:

$1,600 shipped for the system, and it will **not** include injectors.

Still finalizing the numbers - and trying to keep pricing as close as possible. but it looks like the injectors will come in at just under $500 for a set.

Then : If you needed injectors, and elected to keep yours, you would be spending $1,950 ($1,600 +$350 core)

Now : You spend about $150 more, keep your stocks, and get brand new injectors. I think its a win for most everyone, as we have found that most just want to keep theirs anyhow.


*******If you DON'T have longtubes - kit price is just $1,600*********

Still happy to help you out with injectors should you decide to go with longtubes later (AND I'm happy to help with the LTH as well for that matter)

Thanks for following the developments! I look froward to more systems getting onto cars, and more folks finding all that lost power that's missing without running E85

Dave

AMGonFire

Damm. For me that's a 500 buck increase. I had absolutely no intention of keeping my stock injectors. I don't see why anyone would what's the point. From my understanding the ported ones work with a stock tune and look stock to Mercedes what's the point of keeping them. That is disappointing.

DavesMeanE's

Sent PM

Thanks!

Dave

DavesMeanE's

Just filmed the injector install video

Ill have it up on the channel by the end of the day!

Thanks!

Dave

AMGonFire

Well I did it!! I bought a kit. Excited to see the gains. I will post up a review when I fill it up with e85. I will def install right away but might wait till the weather gets warmer for an e85 test. This combined with the headers I just bought in my basement should be a fun summer. Just a word to everyone I delt with Adam. Very knowledgable and seems like a great guy. Spent 25 minutes on the phone with me answering all my dumb questions. Thanks atx great guys over there.

Savage-wp

Nice. Look forward to hearing your thoughts after you have everything fitted.
Are you going to do a before and after dyno.

AMGonFire

That is the plan. Will make a post when I do.

stg313

Dave, I feel like I may be missing something..... I just bought my current C63 and as of this moment it is still stock. I see mention of a tune in some posts and not in others, so how does that work? Do I need the handheld tuner to flash my ECU with a tune thats provided as part of the kit?

Also any recommendation on a more affordable air box upgrade? I don't need the seemingly standard carbon fiber, I would rather get a plastic one for less $ since nobody will ever see it. Thanks!

BLKROKT

Do a search and all your questions will be easily found. There's even a handy FAQ at the top of the forum.

DavesMeanE's

You don't need a tune, you can get this kit, install it WITHOUT a tune and it will work great and you'll make more power.

I can do a package deal with a tune/hand-held and some ROW Air Boxes (what I would recommend) for you if you would like.

Please PM me and we'll work something out for sure!

Thanks a lot. If you go with longtubes - you will need to upgrade your injectors, but we have that all squared away now

Thanks

Dave

DavesMeanE's

When are you getting a kit for the "Track Rat" - easiest way to keep oil/engine temps down

Thanks

Dave

BLKROKT

No, actually the best way was to install the 44O cooling kit and higher capacity trans pan.

Thought about this, but E85 isn't readily available enough here, and I don't have the trunk space to carry 80gal of the stuff with me for trackdays. 44O and race fuel and I'm more than good for now thanks!

Celicasaur

Dave, if we've already got a V6 tune, will there be an additional charge to have the map altered to optimise for flex fuel?

Also,how many degree's of additional timing does it generally allow a motor with headers to run?

DavesMeanE's

First 30 to purchase the FlexKit will get the "HotMap" (what I just named it) for free.

After that - $35 for the map.

Remember - you will be treating this map just like any other race gas map... ONLY to be used with Ethanol.

Thanks!

Dave

DavesMeanE's

Dang - price on that must be wicked high.... Ethanol also gives you more power than race gas, AND cools the engine BETTER than 44O. Not to mention costing under $2 a gallon... how much is that MS109? $15-20/gallon?


just sayin'

Thanks

Dave

Celicasaur

Ahhh, so I will need to purchase a My Genius thing to be able to switch maps? Does it still make a notable power increase without the aggressive tune uploaded?

I'm almost tempted now that my car is a lot happier. I'll be in touch. I think I'm also going to want you to make me a kit for my other car too that we discussed in the PM. I just need more positive reviews to get me on the bandwagon

BLKROKT

Yeah, silly me for thinking that the best way to cool oil and coolant is with better..... coolers. I must be old school.

Ethanol is NOT a replacement for better coolers. There are certain benefits for sure, and the power bump is nice (not enough power isn't my most pressing issue), but that statement is just flat out wrong.

$8/gal at the track and I usually go through ~40gal on a weekend. Beats towing a trailer with 80gal of E85.

DavesMeanE's

We'll get you there!

You're probably looking at an additional 10whp or so with the "HotMap"

I would 100% get a handheld, you can re-flash your car on the side of the road. SUPER easy to use. Still a very good power increase without the "HotTune". I would be surprised if you didn't break into the 500's at the wheels.

Thanks!

Dave

skratch77

how much power do you think this will get over an agressive 104 map tune on 110 oct race gas.

AMGonFire

my thought would be similar power. the benefit is you can run e85 all the time for at least by me 1.80 per gallon vs a race gas tune that your only going to run at the track.

skratch77

I've been messing with mmt/torco 93 mix with good but dyno results on 93 map but have not tried the 104 map yet.

how does this kit work with bigger injectors without a tune on normal gas.wint it run rich with bigger injectors?

DavesMeanE's

How much power do you make on the 104 map?

We have tested the theory of larger injectors/running rich for a few thousand miles, obviously it would show up within the first tank if waas going to be a problem by simply looking at fuel trims. On all test cars trims are good, and no check engine lights for mixture adaptation. The reason it doesn't run rich (you may know this already) is that the system works from a Target AFR (or Lambda) and the injector PW is modified (trimming) to get to that target. you have "Short Term" and "Long Term" fuel trims, each working in blocks, if short term has to go up 25 units (for example), this will effect the long term by 1 unit. After this, Short Term resets to "0" and mixture is checked to see if moving it up 1 unit got us to "Target AFR". There is a pretty good margin on the M156 where we can do this. That't the long answer, but should tell you what you need to know.

Thanks!

Dave