500WHP C63 Edition 507 DYNO'ed
#226
#227
Do you guys actually use the unicorn tune for anything other than bragging about dyno charts? Like, is that fun for you? Yippee look at all the big numberz while my car is being driven in place by someone else on rollers. That doesn't sound like fun at all.
Why don't you guys come back and brag when you're trapping 126mph+ Or don't you use all this amazing power for anything other than waving charts around at your friends.
Anyone in the NYC area with these magic tunes, you're welcome to shut me up by lining up at Atco. Anytime.
Why don't you guys come back and brag when you're trapping 126mph+ Or don't you use all this amazing power for anything other than waving charts around at your friends.
Anyone in the NYC area with these magic tunes, you're welcome to shut me up by lining up at Atco. Anytime.
If that is the case, wtf is the point of everyone dyno'ing their cars everyday. EC does like 10-15 tunes a day on the dyno, guess it's all bull**** and DynoJet is laughing all the way to the bank.
#228
Do you guys actually use the unicorn tune for anything other than bragging about dyno charts? Like, is that fun for you? Yippee look at all the big numberz while my car is being driven in place by someone else on rollers. That doesn't sound like fun at all.
Why don't you guys come back and brag when you're trapping 126mph+ Or don't you use all this amazing power for anything other than waving charts around at your friends.
Anyone in the NYC area with these magic tunes, you're welcome to shut me up by lining up at Atco. Anytime.
Why don't you guys come back and brag when you're trapping 126mph+ Or don't you use all this amazing power for anything other than waving charts around at your friends.
Anyone in the NYC area with these magic tunes, you're welcome to shut me up by lining up at Atco. Anytime.
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#230
Here is one off my phone of my car.its not my best run but what I have on me at work.
You can see all the information at the bottom of my slip with nothing to hide.
Here is a car I found on Google.
You can see all the information at the bottom of my slip with nothing to hide.
Here is a car I found on Google.
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BLKROKT (06-16-2017)
#231
question though? can't we all agree all tracks are diff as are dyno numbers?
another question? how about the e63 with a hundred shot and it's dyno numbers and track times vs mine?
#232
Looking at Infiniti's charts, it appears that the big improvement was simply leaning the mixture at 5500 rpm and above, by up to a full point.
One thing I really like about these runs is that the dyno operator started at a good low rpm: 2000. This minimized the effects of acceleration enrichment (similar to what the accelerator pump did on carbs), and thus gave a cleaner overall graph at low and mid rpm points.
The shape of the torque curve is also virtually perfect. this looks like a decent quality tune.
Jim G
One thing I really like about these runs is that the dyno operator started at a good low rpm: 2000. This minimized the effects of acceleration enrichment (similar to what the accelerator pump did on carbs), and thus gave a cleaner overall graph at low and mid rpm points.
The shape of the torque curve is also virtually perfect. this looks like a decent quality tune.
Jim G
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Infiniti (06-17-2017)
#233
So what you are telling me is the only way 500whp can be proven as attainable with the mods and tune I listed is to trap 126mph at the track?
If that is the case, wtf is the point of everyone dyno'ing their cars everyday. EC does like 10-15 tunes a day on the dyno, guess it's all bull**** and DynoJet is laughing all the way to the bank.
If that is the case, wtf is the point of everyone dyno'ing their cars everyday. EC does like 10-15 tunes a day on the dyno, guess it's all bull**** and DynoJet is laughing all the way to the bank.
EC dyno tunes 10-15 tunes a day because they are in the business of selling tunes and making money.
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BLKROKT (06-17-2017)
#234
So what you are telling me is the only way 500whp can be proven as attainable with the mods and tune I listed is to trap 126mph at the track?
If that is the case, wtf is the point of everyone dyno'ing their cars everyday. EC does like 10-15 tunes a day on the dyno, guess it's all bull**** and DynoJet is laughing all the way to the bank.
If that is the case, wtf is the point of everyone dyno'ing their cars everyday. EC does like 10-15 tunes a day on the dyno, guess it's all bull**** and DynoJet is laughing all the way to the bank.
That is a bogus run and should of never got a cf that high in those conditions.we are still waiting for the info also.
Be prepared to back up your claims when posting about finding a unicorn out in the wild.
#235
Looking at Infiniti's charts, it appears that the big improvement was simply leaning the mixture at 5500 rpm and above, by up to a full point.
One thing I really like about these runs is that the dyno operator started at a good low rpm: 2000. This minimized the effects of acceleration enrichment (similar to what the accelerator pump did on carbs), and thus gave a cleaner overall graph at low and mid rpm points.
The shape of the torque curve is also virtually perfect. this looks like a decent quality tune.
Jim G
One thing I really like about these runs is that the dyno operator started at a good low rpm: 2000. This minimized the effects of acceleration enrichment (similar to what the accelerator pump did on carbs), and thus gave a cleaner overall graph at low and mid rpm points.
The shape of the torque curve is also virtually perfect. this looks like a decent quality tune.
Jim G
skratch, i'll ask you the same question, is it "unicorn" for our cars/motor to put down 470whp bolt ons?
then after three re tunes i get decent power, then the car runs much better? so now i'm a joker?
again, i've had a modded e55 5 years ago, then had a c63 and now this car so i'm not new to this.
the bread is in the pudding.
Last edited by Infiniti; 06-16-2017 at 08:46 PM.
#236
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Your car weighs 4200lb without you in it and a 1/2 tank of gas. So let's be nice and call it 4375 as driven. To trap 118mph in a 4375lb car, you need 554hp. 18% drivetrain loss puts you at about 454whp. Give or take.
That looks to be about 45whp short. Hmm. Why don't you come back and brag when you're at 120.31mph. Because that's 500whp for a car of your weight.
It's 125-126mph for a W204 C63 depending on coupe or sedan weight.
It's math. Pretty easy. Comprende?
#237
Uh huh, sure you would be.
Uh huh, sure you had issues.
Your car weighs 4200lb without you in it and a 1/2 tank of gas. So let's be nice and call it 4375 as driven. To trap 118mph in a 4375lb car, you need 554hp. 18% drivetrain loss puts you at about 454whp. Give or take.
That looks to be about 45whp short. Hmm. Why don't you come back and brag when you're at 120.31mph. Because that's 500whp for a car of your weight.
It's 125-126mph for a W204 C63 depending on coupe or sedan weight.
It's math. Pretty easy. Comprende?
Uh huh, sure you had issues.
Your car weighs 4200lb without you in it and a 1/2 tank of gas. So let's be nice and call it 4375 as driven. To trap 118mph in a 4375lb car, you need 554hp. 18% drivetrain loss puts you at about 454whp. Give or take.
That looks to be about 45whp short. Hmm. Why don't you come back and brag when you're at 120.31mph. Because that's 500whp for a car of your weight.
It's 125-126mph for a W204 C63 depending on coupe or sedan weight.
It's math. Pretty easy. Comprende?
Jim G
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Figure it out yourself Jim. I'm giving my replies to you precisely zero effort anymore. Look it up.
The way I wrote it is perfectly clear. You're just reading it incorrectly.
The way I wrote it is perfectly clear. You're just reading it incorrectly.
#239
Uh huh, sure you would be.
Uh huh, sure you had issues.
Your car weighs 4200lb without you in it and a 1/2 tank of gas. So let's be nice and call it 4375 as driven. To trap 118mph in a 4375lb car, you need 554hp. 18% drivetrain loss puts you at about 454whp. Give or take.
That looks to be about 45whp short. Hmm. Why don't you come back and brag when you're at 120.31mph. Because that's 500whp for a car of your weight.
It's 125-126mph for a W204 C63 depending on coupe or sedan weight.
It's math. Pretty easy. Comprende?
Uh huh, sure you had issues.
Your car weighs 4200lb without you in it and a 1/2 tank of gas. So let's be nice and call it 4375 as driven. To trap 118mph in a 4375lb car, you need 554hp. 18% drivetrain loss puts you at about 454whp. Give or take.
That looks to be about 45whp short. Hmm. Why don't you come back and brag when you're at 120.31mph. Because that's 500whp for a car of your weight.
It's 125-126mph for a W204 C63 depending on coupe or sedan weight.
It's math. Pretty easy. Comprende?
forget eating your shoe, how about you put your money where your mouth and your fingers are that i won't trap 120.31
my pass corrected on drag times with temps exc was a trap of 119.7
again, once weather is good i'll bet that you won't bet and even if you do you won't pay. i'll do 120+ on 93 not even race gas
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Weigh your car first sport. I don't know what yours weighs, those were estimates obviously.
Also, what's your drivetrain loss. Is it 18% like ours, more, or less? You're on the C63 forum, I'm not required to know everything about your car here. Again, I used an estimate.
The HP calculators are widely available. Wallace Racing has them. Go figure it out.
Also, what's your drivetrain loss. Is it 18% like ours, more, or less? You're on the C63 forum, I'm not required to know everything about your car here. Again, I used an estimate.
The HP calculators are widely available. Wallace Racing has them. Go figure it out.
Last edited by BLKROKT; 06-16-2017 at 09:50 PM.
#241
From the Wallace Racing website:
"
These equations are for recreation only.
Not a substitude for actual testing.
Rear Wheel HP is assuming 10% drivetrain loss.
"
As you can see, the wallace Racing formula sensibly assumes RWHP, not crank, since the drag strip doesn't know or care what your driveline losses are, only what power actually gets to the wheels. Our C63 driveline losses are WAY beyond that 10%, apparently about 18%. So your posting was trash.
Sorry but the self-appointed, always correct emperor is not wearing any clothes.
Jim G
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No, that's not correct Jim. Not even close. Keep looking.
Here are a couple Google machine search results to help you out dummy
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=830090
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=197696
And the 18% is pretty standard here. I believe that's what EC uses. The BMW RWD DCT is known to be 17%. The AMG MCT is a bit less efficient.
Here are a couple Google machine search results to help you out dummy
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=830090
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=197696
And the 18% is pretty standard here. I believe that's what EC uses. The BMW RWD DCT is known to be 17%. The AMG MCT is a bit less efficient.
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#244
No, that's not correct Jim. Not even close. Keep looking.
Here are a couple Google machine search results to help you out dummy
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=830090
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=197696
And the 18% is pretty standard here. I believe that's what EC uses. The BMW RWD DCT is known to be 17%. The AMG MCT is a bit less efficient.
Here are a couple Google machine search results to help you out dummy
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=830090
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=197696
And the 18% is pretty standard here. I believe that's what EC uses. The BMW RWD DCT is known to be 17%. The AMG MCT is a bit less efficient.
FORGET crank hp and the 17 or 18% driveline loss. It simply does not matter. What mattetrs is rwhp, which is supposedly what the dyno is measuring. 118 mph trap speed apparently means 518 RWHP at the very website you referred us to.
Jim G
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I already gave you the screen shot of the one that doesn't automatically calculate whp using the 10% loss dummy. Use that one. It calculates hp not whp. Then do the math yourself using 18%. Duh.
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And go read the hundreds of forum posts and other experiences found on the Google machine that say that the calcs correspond within a couple of hp. Crank hp.
You really are dense
You really are dense
#250
Stop trying to fool us all to save face. You screwed up.
ET can vary based on traction and driver skill, but trap speed depends only on rwhp. Trying to bring crank hp and drivetrain losses into it is unnecessary bs.
Jim G
Last edited by JimGnitecki; 06-16-2017 at 11:26 PM.