SactownP31

Quit hating, those spacers are the ****.

principledchiro

LOL, intake spacers still are the smirk mod for the V8 Kompressor forums. Is there a large distance of Black Series vs standard C63; internals, etc.? Can a C63 be brought to Black Series specs then beyond?

BLKROKT

SactownP31

Yes then No. Everyone who bought a base/cheap c63 argues that a tuned base c63 will surpass a pp c63. But then what happens when the pp gets a tune. It puts down more power than the base. Well, get headers on that base. So get headers on that pp. And the argument will continue. Slice it how you want, a pp car will always be at an advantage over the base if you stay stock or go mod for mod. By pp I'm talking about p31, edition 1, 507 and black series. BS has a lot more going on than just internals and a tune. If your goal is the 500 whp, why not give yourself a head start by getting the better engine.

MTV10

The lightweight, forged internals make a difference. Rotational mass.

Mod for mod a P31 car will always be at advantage.

skratch77

The black series has a better block

BLKROKT

skratch77

yea they could of just slapped a spacer under the air filter but gee they might know a few things about building engines lol

I'm so waiting for your TB results and debating still on sls intake.

principledchiro

How would one differentiate between a base and a P31?

BLKROKT

Savage-wp

There is a guy here in Cape Town running a 100 shot on his C63, and it hasn't had any issues.

deadlyvt

Look up dads c63 I can't remember for sure but I think he was running everything from a 75 to a 200 shot

kimeran

Let's try and leave that in 2017

blackbenzz

The W204 pre facelift sedan isn't as light as some would expect. Mine weighed in at 3950lbs NA. I am in the final stages of running an ESS supercharger so that will definitely put it up over 4k pounds. Not exactly a lightweight

SuckaGDog

blackbenzz

I plan on starting a new thread with my thoughts one I've had some seat time and when it is above freezing outside. I was not able to find much information on the kit either but ESS is big in other car communities. So far it seems like a very high quality kit. I have experience with the weistec kit on my last personal vehicle which was a clk55 and set the 1/4 Mile record and have put together several weistec supercharged E55s so I am familiar with their setup and customer service. The ESS kit cooling design is superior in my opinion due to the intercooler being on top instead of sandwiched between the supercharger and engine. The intercooler also looks much larger. They use the same Whipple 2.9L as weistec stage 3 at a much lower price point. So far their customer service has been better than what I'm used to. On time delivery and questions answered promptly. I don't want to get too off topic in here so I will start a thread when I have more info to share.

G_Money

I too would love to know what you think about the ESS kit as, like you mentioned, it's the same 2.9L Whipple as Weistec at a lot lower price. I remember you did a lot of crazy stuff with that CLK55!

ESS is big in the BMW world and have a lot of high power cars out there.

With all the um, negative experiences I've been reading about with Weistec recently, I have been looking much more closely at mainly the Magnuson TVS2300 kit, and to a lesser extent the ESS 2.9L Whipple kit. There is absolutely no information out there that I can seem to find about the ESS kit though.

Who's tuning it?

blackbenzz

Thanks. I will start a thread when I have more info. One down side is they use a 6 rib pulley setup for now. But if you're not building the motor for big boost that won't be an issue. After speaking with them they said they plan on releasing a bigger crank pulley and then a complete 8 rib pulley system for built motors. The kit comes with a tune from ESS.



I spoke with Magnuson at SEMA when I was doing my research. I wasn't finding much info on their kit either They told me they are moving away from the European market. That is what made me cross them off my list. I would like a company that is devoted to the platform. You should talk to each company prior to making a decision.

JQuala

I finally hit 500whp to the wheels all NA! Followed the mod priorities on this forum and a little corn juice

ShaneN.

Obviously the forged internals are a plus for weight and strength but the non performance cars without forged internals aren't anywhere near unsafe power level at 450 (tune)-500whp(fbo), are they?

mr747

LOL cast pistons are just as strong if not better then the forged internals in PP cars

These engines are build strong from the factory

ShaneN.

Thanks.