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C180/C200 to C63 possible?
#1
C180/C200 to C63 possible?
Hello,
I’m a new member from Pakistan. Wondering if anyone has converted a normal C class to C63 Amg?
Why you may logically ask? Imports of vehicles older than 3yrs isn’t allowed as per local laws. My only option is to buy a C180/200 locally(easily available) and import C63 in parts and convert.
How bonkers is that?
I’m a new member from Pakistan. Wondering if anyone has converted a normal C class to C63 Amg?
Why you may logically ask? Imports of vehicles older than 3yrs isn’t allowed as per local laws. My only option is to buy a C180/200 locally(easily available) and import C63 in parts and convert.
How bonkers is that?
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Just for starters, the chassis is different. You can't fit the M156 engine in a "regular" C class... and that's just the beginning. Even if you could, by the time you're done you will have spent about 2x the amount a brand new W205 C63 would cost you even with (almost) free labour.
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#3
Can you import a complete C63 in parts, and then simply reassemble it? That's what "some" people do here in the States to get around import restrictions for certain cars.
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Just for starters, the chassis is different. You can't fit the M156 engine in a "regular" C class... and that's just the beginning. Even if you could, by the time you're done you will have spent about 2x the amount a brand new W205 C63 would cost you even with (almost) free labour.
The w205 will still cost me an arm & leg, import duties on 2000cc+ vehicles go beyond 200% C&F.
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"This is the first AMG product to be designed from its computer-conception for extreme performance. Its predecessors (like most AMG models) are essentially tuner specials, with bolted-on performance. This time, practically everything forward of the firewall (except for the two energy-absorbing frame-rail stubs) is unique to AMG. The front track is 1.4-inches wider, standard 18-inch wheels permit larger knuckles, and a new engine cradle accommodates longer diagonal links that completely change the geometry. A lower roll center, for example, helps the car corner flatter while preserving ride quality with an anti-roll bar that's only 0.04-inch thicker. New ball bearings offer twice the rigidity of the stock front-axle bearings. Camber increases from 0.5 to 1.4 degrees and caster is reduced by 15 degrees. The steering ratio tightens from 14.5:1 to 13.5:1, and there are new bearings atop the struts. The effect of all this front-end work is vastly improved steering feel and agility with reduced understeer. The 6.2-liter V-8 weighs about 70 pounds more than the E350's V-6, and it's about four inches longer, but by moving it two inches closer to the firewall, weight distribution remains at a respectable 54/46 front/rear. An all-new front end stretches the nose 3.4 inches."
From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merced...C-Class_(W204)
Length
- 4,582 mm (180.4 in) (saloon)
- 4,596 mm (180.9 in) (wagon)
- 4,726 mm (186.1 in) (C 63 AMG saloon)
- 1,770 mm (69.7 in)
- 1,795 mm (70.7 in) (C 63 AMG)
Those were just the first three references I could find. If you Google it I am sure you'll find more.
#7
From MotorTrend https://www.motortrend.com/cars/merc...-benz-c63-amg/
"This is the first AMG product to be designed from its computer-conception for extreme performance. Its predecessors (like most AMG models) are essentially tuner specials, with bolted-on performance. This time, practically everything forward of the firewall (except for the two energy-absorbing frame-rail stubs) is unique to AMG. The front track is 1.4-inches wider, standard 18-inch wheels permit larger knuckles, and a new engine cradle accommodates longer diagonal links that completely change the geometry. A lower roll center, for example, helps the car corner flatter while preserving ride quality with an anti-roll bar that's only 0.04-inch thicker. New ball bearings offer twice the rigidity of the stock front-axle bearings. Camber increases from 0.5 to 1.4 degrees and caster is reduced by 15 degrees. The steering ratio tightens from 14.5:1 to 13.5:1, and there are new bearings atop the struts. The effect of all this front-end work is vastly improved steering feel and agility with reduced understeer. The 6.2-liter V-8 weighs about 70 pounds more than the E350's V-6, and it's about four inches longer, but by moving it two inches closer to the firewall, weight distribution remains at a respectable 54/46 front/rear. An all-new front end stretches the nose 3.4 inches."
From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merced...C-Class_(W204)
Length
Those were just the first three references I could find. If you Google it I am sure you'll find more.
"This is the first AMG product to be designed from its computer-conception for extreme performance. Its predecessors (like most AMG models) are essentially tuner specials, with bolted-on performance. This time, practically everything forward of the firewall (except for the two energy-absorbing frame-rail stubs) is unique to AMG. The front track is 1.4-inches wider, standard 18-inch wheels permit larger knuckles, and a new engine cradle accommodates longer diagonal links that completely change the geometry. A lower roll center, for example, helps the car corner flatter while preserving ride quality with an anti-roll bar that's only 0.04-inch thicker. New ball bearings offer twice the rigidity of the stock front-axle bearings. Camber increases from 0.5 to 1.4 degrees and caster is reduced by 15 degrees. The steering ratio tightens from 14.5:1 to 13.5:1, and there are new bearings atop the struts. The effect of all this front-end work is vastly improved steering feel and agility with reduced understeer. The 6.2-liter V-8 weighs about 70 pounds more than the E350's V-6, and it's about four inches longer, but by moving it two inches closer to the firewall, weight distribution remains at a respectable 54/46 front/rear. An all-new front end stretches the nose 3.4 inches."
From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merced...C-Class_(W204)
Length
- 4,582 mm (180.4 in) (saloon)
- 4,596 mm (180.9 in) (wagon)
- 4,726 mm (186.1 in) (C 63 AMG saloon)
- 1,770 mm (69.7 in)
- 1,795 mm (70.7 in) (C 63 AMG)
Those were just the first three references I could find. If you Google it I am sure you'll find more.
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#8
From MotorTrend https://www.motortrend.com/cars/merc...-benz-c63-amg/
"This is the first AMG product to be designed from its computer-conception for extreme performance. Its predecessors (like most AMG models) are essentially tuner specials, with bolted-on performance. This time, practically everything forward of the firewall (except for the two energy-absorbing frame-rail stubs) is unique to AMG.
"This is the first AMG product to be designed from its computer-conception for extreme performance. Its predecessors (like most AMG models) are essentially tuner specials, with bolted-on performance. This time, practically everything forward of the firewall (except for the two energy-absorbing frame-rail stubs) is unique to AMG.
#9
You would be better off reassembling the c63 you import for parts, affixing the vin plate from the c200 and pretending you had converted it.
For extra believability bring in c200 in the colour you want c63 then paint the c63 the c200 colour.
For extra believability bring in c200 in the colour you want c63 then paint the c63 the c200 colour.
#10
haha you’ll get me in trouble with law enforcement.
#11
i mean...its is a different country...maybe they have different laws?
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#14
I am not holding my baited breath...
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The others are too polite to say this. But you’re out of your freaking mind. It’s not that special a car. And you won’t even have a real C63 worth anything when you’re done. You’ll have put tens of thousands into making some sort of chopped up monstrosity that will more likely than not have permanent issues.
There are cool ground-up rebuilds like that 1980’s 190E with a C63 drivetrain which came out amazing. Then there are stupid ideas like this one. You’ll have what looks like a generic narrow-body late 2000’s C class chassis (with the weight and wheel/tire/suspension limitations that come with it) with a C63 drivetrain which may or may not even work right.
I just don’t think you’re comprehending the scope of the chassis and geometry differences. What Doug posted is just the very tip of that iceberg. And if you didn’t know all of that already, you’re nowhere near prepared or skilled enough to attempt this.
I think you should either make something cool and unique like that 190E or abandon this idea altogether and get a car you can afford.
There are cool ground-up rebuilds like that 1980’s 190E with a C63 drivetrain which came out amazing. Then there are stupid ideas like this one. You’ll have what looks like a generic narrow-body late 2000’s C class chassis (with the weight and wheel/tire/suspension limitations that come with it) with a C63 drivetrain which may or may not even work right.
I just don’t think you’re comprehending the scope of the chassis and geometry differences. What Doug posted is just the very tip of that iceberg. And if you didn’t know all of that already, you’re nowhere near prepared or skilled enough to attempt this.
I think you should either make something cool and unique like that 190E or abandon this idea altogether and get a car you can afford.
Last edited by BLKROKT; 04-27-2021 at 11:39 AM.
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#17
Thank you everyone for the insights. 10/10 times I would have gone for an original C63 had the option been available. Sadly, it’s not. I’d work with my workshop guy on these intricate details.
Project C63 is a go. Picked up a 2008 UK spec C200 today. It’s manual tranny and maintained by MB dealer here. So a good platform. Total dent $16,500.
Project C63 is a go. Picked up a 2008 UK spec C200 today. It’s manual tranny and maintained by MB dealer here. So a good platform. Total dent $16,500.
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#20
Hunt for c63 starts now. Since I need RHD variant, my focus is primarily on Japan market with UK as a back up. Long lead times start now but this is what’s in my mind:
1. Shortlist c63 in Japan auction houses - current + 1 week
2. Purchase shortlisted vehicle - C+2wk
3. Disassembly of c63 in Japan - C+4wk
4. Pack & ready for dispatch to Pakistan - C+4wk
5. Arrival in Pakistan by sea freight - C+14wk
6. Conversion at Pakistan - C+20wk
Long lead times I know, wish I could do everything asap. Let’s see. In the meanwhile, I’ll commute to work in the C200 and do some basic maintenances.
1. Shortlist c63 in Japan auction houses - current + 1 week
2. Purchase shortlisted vehicle - C+2wk
3. Disassembly of c63 in Japan - C+4wk
4. Pack & ready for dispatch to Pakistan - C+4wk
5. Arrival in Pakistan by sea freight - C+14wk
6. Conversion at Pakistan - C+20wk
Long lead times I know, wish I could do everything asap. Let’s see. In the meanwhile, I’ll commute to work in the C200 and do some basic maintenances.
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