Have had a 2010 and 2012 C63, a 2019 c43 coupe, a 2025 c43, and now a 2025 c63. I loved the two w204 C63 and the 2019 c43 coupe. Swore I’d never get the new 4 cylinder hybrid. Found a 2019 AMG GTC that I was going to buy and stopped by my local dealership to have them pull service history and get a gauge on pricing. They said it was a great deal, but also told me they had a new c43 with huge discounts. The new c43 vs. a six year old gtc for a lot less
$ seemed like the better financial choice, so went with it. Absolutely hated the 2025 c43. My 2019 coupe was so much better and quicker. . Then I get an email on deep discounts on the new c63 and made the swap: so far, very happy with the choice to switch to the c63. Took a big hit on getting rid of the c43, but worth every penny.. Also drove a 2023 c63S coupe and didnt compare to the 2025 c63. Can’t believe I bought this 4 cylinder hybrid, but is awesome…for now.

 

Happy new year! Any pictures?

 

happy new year and congrats on the new car.

Last year, I went in to test drive the C63se because my best friend was looking to replace his i3s after getting rid of his Taycan 4S. I went it a skeptic and end it up trading my G80 for one. also drove another friend's 2019 C63 sedan, the w205 honestly feels ancient to the new car.

 

Unfortunately for AMG, few people agree with your last statement even after driving the C63SE. I got the opportunity to rip it through its paces on the Mercedes test areal in Immedingen, Germany a little more than a year ago. Couldn't wait to get back into my 2019 C63S Coupe. Out of the cars I drove that day, the new GT63 was the one I would have taken home with me if given the choice, followed by the CLE53. The C63SE is now a distant memory for me. Ripping around in it for a day created zero desire to wanna own one, but to each their own. It's not surprising that AMG is discontinuing it with the FL. It was a short lived experiment that bombed. I just read an article the other day, that dealerships are sitting on lightly used ones that nobody wants to buy. The C63 is history. The upcoming replacement will be called C53 and have the CLE53 powertrain while the CLE63 is getting the all-new flat plane crank V8. I just read another article today that AMG is also dropping the P3-hybrid powertrain on the FL S63. This article was also from Germany close to the source. Looks like the FL S63 is also getting the new flat-plane V8 with 48V mild hybrid instead. Looks like AMG is already retiring the P3-hybrid thing across the lineup.

 

Few people agree and I have no problem with it. People didn't like my C32's supercharged V6 either. Looking forward to the flat plane V8, not looking forward to the price. the CLE price is ridiculous as is. If they end up with a C53, it'll need a hand-built motor that can rev to 7200+ redline to make it special. The current M256 is fine in regular MB, but it is boring compare to the B58 let along the S58, it just doesn't feel anything special. The M139 on the other hand is actually rev happy.

 

Prices are ridiculous across the board. The C63SE MSRP is insane. If you can get a fat discount then perhaps it starts to make more sense. The heavy discounts show that it's way overpriced and so are the other current AMGs. The GT63 can also be picked up with huge discounts. So when you start comparing the discounted prices, it's back to square one.

I don't necessarily disagree with you on the M256, but I surprisingly liked the CLE53 powertrain quite a bit and the car overall. Have you driven it properly? As for the M139, it's mostly helped by the e-motor. In the A45, the M139 has a turbo lag the size of Texas. One of my least favorite AMG engines. Way too high strung. They had to give it the electric turbo plus the hybrid to make it properly responsive and in the C43/C63 it's got a bigger turbo which has more oomph up top, so I agree with that. They were able to do that especially in the C63SE as the e-motor can handle the low down performance and torque fill to mask the gigantic turbo lag.

 

Happy new year!

 

I drove a CLE53 and loved the looks, but didn’t seem like it was a big enough difference in acceleration from my 2019 C43 based on seat of the pants. I had planned on waiting for the CLE 63 and was told it could be 2027 or later. With the discounts offered on the C63 I went for it. I was concerned with the drop in value and am seeing that now, which is why I leased.

 

yeah, I really wanted the CLE 63, but tired of waiting. I’m thinking it will be $110-115k at least.

 

Yes, power wise it's not that big of a step. The big improvement is the low end thanks to the electric supercharger. The 53s are more tuned for quick daily type driving. What I much preferred over the C63SE is that the CLE53 is noticeably lighter on its feet. The C63SE is just way too heavy among other things.

It's gonna come out with the facelift of the CLE, because AMG went back to the drawing board. It was initially gonna have the same powertrain as the C63SE, but with the disaster that was, they threw that out late in the game. They were already well into the testing of the CLE 63 with the 4-cylinder PHEV powertrain. They were seen on the roads and the Nürburgring testing in Germany, so understandably they kinda started over. Hard lesson learned I suppose. Tobias Moers told the board it was a dumb idea to put a 4-cylinder in the C63, but they did it anyway, and he subsequently quit. He saw the disaster coming. Leasing is a good idea with this thing. You don't wanna have to maintain this complicated powertrain outside of the factory warranty.

 

definitely! Couldn’t imagine paying out of pocket for any issues with the powertrain.

 

The msrp for the C63SE is just a thousand or two more than the G80 X-drive if I remember correctly. It only goes up when you stack cosmetic options (and they are really cosmetic). Mine with only pinnacle and carbon interior's msrp is $88k and it has the same features if not more in my G80 rwd which I opted to $87k. Only real luxury feature that's on neither car are the ACC which I ordered it without on the G80 and basically hard to find a in-stock C63SE with pinnacle AND acc at the time of the discount. Mine was 18% off msrp btw. Most G80 Xdrive are spec up to $105-110k and you rarely see auto channels on youtube cry about it being $100K+ and proceed to tell viewer you can spec it cheaper, but yet when C63SE is spec to $100k they pointed it out as if that's the only way you can get a C63SE. And it just becomes an echo chamber that people thinks a C63SE is automatically $100k. and YES, traditionally AMG has always been more expensive than the M.

As far as CLE53, I've test drove the E53 in 2021 when I got my 2021 540i. The extra power wasn't providing that much of a performance difference and the M256 feels lazy compare to the B58. The price wasn't justified for how much I wanted to spent at the time and I was getting a killer deal on the 540. Mind you the CLE53 Manufaktur edition is $105k and personally $105k for a non-hand built AMG-lite is ridiculous what's more crazy is you can pick up a X5 M60 (which now has an actual M motor) for cheaper than that CLE53 edition.

M139 in the C63SE, There's virtually zero lag even if you put the battery conserve mode on which neuter the e-motor which I had done because I wanted to see how well the turbo spool. And according to a dealer tech that post in one of the responses from burger turning's video when they had training on the M139, the motor is extremely over-built for the application and it is not a high strung motor as people perceived it to be. Other than the early casting sand issue, there hasn't been much issue with this motor reported.

 

I think that will be the minimum and then we will have people cry about how much more expensive it is than the w/c 205 was. lol

At that price though, I'd be shopping for a 992 base. Personally I think $80-90k is about the max of what C/CLE or M3/4 are worth. At the end of the day, they're C-classes and 3 series.

lease is definitely the way to go with these high depreciating cars. I used to think that with M, AMG, and RS. you'd actually want to buy instead of lease, but not anymore when you can structure a deal to your advantage with low lease payment and if the residual end up being higher, you trade it and use the positive equity for the next.

 

looks good, but the way dealership spec these just mind boggles. you have the AMG appearance pkg, but they didn't spec pinnacle or driver assistance.

 

That’s nothing new really. Dealerships spec what they think sells the fastest. Options drive up the sticker, which makes it sit on the lot longer. The Driver Assistance package is something dealers rarely spec, because unless someone specifically wants it, it’s just another deterrent. Dealers also pretty much never spec the Performance Seats, which is a shame on an AMG, but too many out of shape potential buyers that shy away from them. If you find cars with these options, it was often a custom order where the buyer backed out at the end.

 

funny thing is when I was shopping mine, I looked at a whole bunch that's msrp at around $95-100k. They were spec with AMG performance pkg (which adds the winglet and rear diffuser plane, red brakes, and track pace (which you can now just pay to unlock)), night packages, buckets, and that was it. no Pinnacle and no DA+. And talking to most of the managers they were all ordered directly by the dealers.

 

I decided to pop over here after watching a Youtube video outlining the functionality and complexity of the drivetrain
in the this vehicle. Yee gads! He also stated 'god help anyone who owns one out of warranty' well or something to that effect. I'd say DIY is completely out the question, and I can see repair bills easily hitting 10K
for engine, suspension, motors, electronics issues.
Really interested in seeing how the ownership experience works out for y'all.
I predict a staggering depreciation rate. They did enjoy how quick it was though.
Amazingly all the systems needed to make the car go, were all functioning correctly.
Well at the time. I can see a lot of trips to the dealer in the future of owners of this vehicle, but
I would be pleasently happy to be wrong about everything I've said. Nothing would make me happier than to see
Mercedes make a car like this reliable. This is from a year ago, but probably very much the same no?

 

They seem to have patched over the failing e-turbos for now, but who knows how long they last. Initially, the turbos dropping dead like flies. Not all too surprising. If you've seen one, the electric motor is fairly close to the hot side of the turbo, and turbos get very hot. I expect these things the fry sooner or later. There's no long term reliability data on these. The idea of course comes from F1, but a) F1 got rid of it or is about to in the next season, and b) they split the turbo in two moving each piece to one side of the engine and then a shaft went through the engine to the connect the two sides. This ensures that the electric side is far away from the hot side of the turbo. That's just the turbo. The next thing is the rear diff/EDU is one unit that has the electronic locking differential, electric motor and the 2-speed transmission for the electric motor all in one unit. If any of those have a failure, you are looking at replacing an expensive part. Just to name a couple of concerns with these. As said, leasing is probably the best option here. Shields you from the depreciation and potentially paying out of pocket for very expensive repairs. The time cars could last 25+ years is not gonna repeat with these things, which is kinda ironic since we wanna save the planet, so we build cars that need to be thrown away after a few years and replaced.

 

I have a strong, abrupt jolt that goes through the cabin when slowing down. I suspect it’s the two speed electric gears going from the second to the first. Taking it in Monday morning to have them look at it.

 

pretty much what I have plus twin 10 spoke wheels with black accents, heated steering wheel, and active distronic. Oh yeah, all weather mats too lol. Couldn’t find a 2025 with everything I wanted and finding a 2026 wasn’t going to have the same discount, so got the 2025 with those options. That and Mercedes was giving complimentary prepaid maintenance for three years on the 2025.

 

On the subject of complexity....just watched this Legit Street cars video of a guy
a. tightening a hose & plugging in a sensor, fixing stuff the mechanic created resulting in CEL and
low boost. (GLS63)
b. A leaking Oring where some sort of fluid thermostat was located in the engine. $18.
And he replaced the engines mounts and some coolant
hoses that were brittle plastic on one end and metal on the other.
Why would anyone made such a thing? Why not all metal?

A few hundred dollars in parts, for most shopss, I dunno, 40 hours in labor?
So much stuff to be removed.
He makes it look, well not easy but doable, but the car was sold to him for 20K that was 130K new because no one could figure out how to repair it.
Hydraulic sway bars? Seriously? And that must be nothing compared to this C63.
One guy commented he was a Service Advisor
and customer's GLS63's sat for 10 months waiting for a software upgrade
to said hydraulic sway bars and were given GLB loaners for that entire time.

So, if you buy a new C63 on a lease and are given a lesser vehicle to drvie for months,
do you still have to make the full payment on the C63?
OK, not related to the C63 by a mile, thiis GLS would have been much EASIER to work on by a 100 miles. I'm dumfounded by all the excess of (IMHO unecessary) tech and complexity. How many techs would even have a clue how to work on these?
My experience with Mercedes deaaler service.was they typically broke something everytime they attempted to fix something and I'd just turn around and give it back to them.
I spent months driving loaners. And this was with a 'simple' W203.

 

I won’t own this after lease. A software upgrade shouldn’t take 10 months. My dealership is awesome service wise. I’ll get a mew AMG loaner.every time.

 

In principal yes, but MBFS is known to compensate customers once their car is repaired to the point of forgiving lease payments. However, you wouldn't wait for months. Here in California for example, the lemon law kicks in after 30 days, so one would lemon the car at that point and get out of the lease.

 

those early turbo fails wasn't even caused by the turbo itself. it was casting sand residue left in the block which was a production error, not a design flaw. As far as the 2-speed and E-motor all integrated into one unit isn't new. Porsche/Audi are the first that uses it in the Taycan/Etron GT. If anything, the electronics on this car or any MB would be the failure point that are more likely to happen. Any drive unit that works with electric motors are tend to be designed to be more robust due to the instant torque EV motors produce.

the most common issue I've seen so far is the 12v battery for those that lives in urban area that only drives short distances.

times of a car that can last 10+ year without any issue are long gone especially for Mercedes post W204 and W212.

 

MB has always been on the forefront with introducing new tech with each generation. W203 was far more advance than the E46 at the time. You and I both know this for being around this forum this long. good to see you are still here btw.

Manufacturer has been making cars harder to work on for decades.