Car and Driver speculating AWD with 2017 C63S Coupe (C63 to remain RWD)
05-22-2015, 05:35 PM
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Car and Driver speculating AWD with 2017 C63S Coupe (C63 to remain RWD)
Thought this was interesting, Car and Driver is speculating that the 2017 C63 S Coupe models will comes standard with AWD, while the C63 Coupe's will remain RWD.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ng-for-feature
Following Ingolstadt’s lead, the 362-hp C450 Sport and C63 AMG S variants will feature four-wheel drive as standard, with the AMG S model receiving Affalterbach’s sport-biased 33/67 front/rear torque split. The basest of base C coupes will feature two driven wheels, so smoky-burnout aficio*nados are advised to opt for the regu*lar-grade C63, which sacrifices 34 of the S model’s ponies but remains rear-wheel drive, as God and Shirley Muldowney intended.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ng-for-feature
Following Ingolstadt’s lead, the 362-hp C450 Sport and C63 AMG S variants will feature four-wheel drive as standard, with the AMG S model receiving Affalterbach’s sport-biased 33/67 front/rear torque split. The basest of base C coupes will feature two driven wheels, so smoky-burnout aficio*nados are advised to opt for the regu*lar-grade C63, which sacrifices 34 of the S model’s ponies but remains rear-wheel drive, as God and Shirley Muldowney intended.
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05-22-2015, 06:05 PM
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I'd take the AWD news with a grain of salt. Everyone predicted that the W205 C63S Sedan will be AWD, but that ended up not being the case.
05-22-2015, 06:35 PM
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So ugly. The back quarter and rear of that car is just bad
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05-22-2015, 11:23 PM
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For some reason, these ugly renders keep circulating lol. Probably because they're from Car & Liar. I mean, Driver. The actual car does not have the smashed up rear end featured in the ill-conceived renders. It's more stretched out (similar to the S63 Coupe).
AWD is a long, long, long shot. Some things I noticed on the test mules: 1) more elaborate wheels; 2) wider front and rear rubber.
C63 Coupe (aka baby S63 Coupe) Spy Shots -
Note: Per Motor Authority and several other sources, these shots feature the standard Mercedes-AMG C63 Coupe and not the Black Series variant, which is still years away. Technically, the next-gen C63 Black has not been officially confirmed yet.
Source: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...oupe-spy-shots
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05-22-2015, 11:28 PM
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05-23-2015, 07:34 AM
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Yeah, I like the front but the back is weird. Something about it just doesn't look right. all wheel drive is a longshot but we all know that eventually we will see it on there. I hope they make it an option and not standard. It will take away from the freedom it has now.
05-23-2015, 08:33 AM
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Thought this was interesting, Car and Driver is speculating that the 2017 C63 S Coupe models will comes standard with AWD, while the C63 Coupe's will remain RWD.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ng-for-feature
Following Ingolstadt’s lead, the 362-hp C450 Sport and C63 AMG S variants will feature four-wheel drive as standard, with the AMG S model receiving Affalterbach’s sport-biased 33/67 front/rear torque split. The basest of base C coupes will feature two driven wheels, so smoky-burnout aficio*nados are advised to opt for the regu*lar-grade C63, which sacrifices 34 of the S model’s ponies but remains rear-wheel drive, as God and Shirley Muldowney intended.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ng-for-feature
Following Ingolstadt’s lead, the 362-hp C450 Sport and C63 AMG S variants will feature four-wheel drive as standard, with the AMG S model receiving Affalterbach’s sport-biased 33/67 front/rear torque split. The basest of base C coupes will feature two driven wheels, so smoky-burnout aficio*nados are advised to opt for the regu*lar-grade C63, which sacrifices 34 of the S model’s ponies but remains rear-wheel drive, as God and Shirley Muldowney intended.
05-23-2015, 02:58 PM
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The good news is that the actual spy shots of the car look 100 times better. The better news is that I'll post them below.
For some reason, these ugly renders keep circulating lol. Probably because they're from Car & Liar. I mean, Driver. The actual car does not have the smashed up rear end featured in the ill-conceived renders. It's more stretched out (similar to the S63 Coupe).
AWD is a long, long, long shot. Some things I noticed on the test mules: 1) more elaborate wheels; 2) wider front and rear rubber.
C63 Coupe (aka baby S63 Coupe) Spy Shots -
For some reason, these ugly renders keep circulating lol. Probably because they're from Car & Liar. I mean, Driver. The actual car does not have the smashed up rear end featured in the ill-conceived renders. It's more stretched out (similar to the S63 Coupe).
AWD is a long, long, long shot. Some things I noticed on the test mules: 1) more elaborate wheels; 2) wider front and rear rubber.
C63 Coupe (aka baby S63 Coupe) Spy Shots -
...these are the most recent C63 Coupe spy shots, and it's definitely not wearing the 285 rears in the pics you posted (which in all likelihood is the black series mule). I'd take bets that the C63 Coupe will have much narrower fenders than in the BS mule pics you posted.
Here are standard size rims/tires wearing the BS mule front and rear fenders... just picture the fenders matching that offset and you can see how much narrower it will be.
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05-23-2015, 03:56 PM
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One can only hope. Mercedes-AMG might very well change their strategy (won't be the first time) and finally offer the 4Matic C63.
This is how I see it:
Franciscus van Meel left Quattro to head BMW M, and van Meel is a big time AWD kinda guy and prior to his departure from Audi he stated that Quattro's competition couldn't beat them and now they're joining the AWD foray.
Fast forward to today and BMW's position on this is rapidly changing. Prior to va Meel BMW M division stated that they will never offer AWD outside of the X range (X5 M, X6 M, etc...)
I attended the BMW M Power experience 2015 in Las Vegas, they brought the new X5 M, and X6 M and there were rumors of few 2017 AWD BMW M5 mules and what seemed to be AWD M3s being driven cross country.
I think With addition of the BMW M2, it would be easier for BMW to offer AWD M3, M4, M5 and M6. You don't just go around and hire the head of Audi Quattro and appoint him BMW M CEO for fun. AWD is future of motorsport magnified by GT-R and everyone's moving towards it.
What does all this mean to AMG? It means that they won't be left behind. There is market for AWD C63, and they know it and they also know that a buy with pockets deep enough for an AMG won't be going for a C450.
This is how I see it:
Franciscus van Meel left Quattro to head BMW M, and van Meel is a big time AWD kinda guy and prior to his departure from Audi he stated that Quattro's competition couldn't beat them and now they're joining the AWD foray.
Fast forward to today and BMW's position on this is rapidly changing. Prior to va Meel BMW M division stated that they will never offer AWD outside of the X range (X5 M, X6 M, etc...)
I attended the BMW M Power experience 2015 in Las Vegas, they brought the new X5 M, and X6 M and there were rumors of few 2017 AWD BMW M5 mules and what seemed to be AWD M3s being driven cross country.
I think With addition of the BMW M2, it would be easier for BMW to offer AWD M3, M4, M5 and M6. You don't just go around and hire the head of Audi Quattro and appoint him BMW M CEO for fun. AWD is future of motorsport magnified by GT-R and everyone's moving towards it.
What does all this mean to AMG? It means that they won't be left behind. There is market for AWD C63, and they know it and they also know that a buy with pockets deep enough for an AMG won't be going for a C450.
05-23-2015, 11:59 PM
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves zibby
...these are the most recent C63 Coupe spy shots, and it's definitely not wearing the 285 rears in the pics you posted (which in all likelihood is the black series mule). I'd take bets that the C63 Coupe will have much narrower fenders than in the BS mule pics you posted.
Here are standard size rims/tires wearing the BS mule front and rear fenders... just picture the fenders matching that offset and you can see how much narrower it will be.
...these are the most recent C63 Coupe spy shots, and it's definitely not wearing the 285 rears in the pics you posted (which in all likelihood is the black series mule). I'd take bets that the C63 Coupe will have much narrower fenders than in the BS mule pics you posted.
Here are standard size rims/tires wearing the BS mule front and rear fenders... just picture the fenders matching that offset and you can see how much narrower it will be.
Source: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...oupe-spy-shots
"The new C63 Coupe will be mechanically similar to the C63 sedan, though the C-Class-based two-door cars benefit from a wider track as confirmed in the spy shots. The drivetrain will be identical, however, which means a twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V-8 paired with a seven-speed automatic transmission, with drive going to the rear wheels via a limited-slip differential."
The next-gen C63 Black has not even been officially confirmed yet. I have seen 0 next-gen BS variant spy photos.
The Black Series is still years away. We won't be seeing it until the LCI C63 sedan is out - at the very least. Perhaps not until the LCI C63 Coupe is out.
The pics I posted are the standard C63 Coupe. The pics you posted feature the standard C63 Coupe. Different mules will have different wheels (just like with the W205 sedan spy shots).
Now, I'm willing to accept that we might not see substantially wider wheels/tires on the standard C63 coupe. But, I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility, particularly given these photos. Some of the feedback on the PL has included complaints about the fact that AMG only went up to 265 rears on the W205 sedan (W204 had 255s standard).
The Black Series will have much, much more pronounced fenders and different front/rear styling (as was the case for the W204 BS).
The front fascia on the C63 Coupe mule in these spy shots is virtually identical to the front fascia on the W205 sedan. The Black Series Coupe will have its own unique front and rear fascias. It's also likely that it'll have a more pronounced rear wing.
I guarantee you that we will not be seeing ANY Black Series mules for a while.
When I post spy shots, I am very careful with respect to getting the model right. When we finally do see BS mules, they will scream Black Series. These mules scream standard Merc-AMG C63 Coupe.
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05-24-2015, 01:16 AM
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05-24-2015, 04:25 AM
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05-24-2015, 08:20 AM
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What makes you think the Black Series mule was in the photos I posted? The source that posted those photos made it very clear that the car photographed was the standard '16 C63 Coupe. The fenders in the shots I posted look identical to the fenders in the shots you posted. I'll admit that the camouflage makes perception more difficult
Source: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...oupe-spy-shots
"The new C63 Coupe will be mechanically similar to the C63 sedan, though the C-Class-based two-door cars benefit from a wider track as confirmed in the spy shots. The drivetrain will be identical, however, which means a twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V-8 paired with a seven-speed automatic transmission, with drive going to the rear wheels via a limited-slip differential."
The next-gen C63 Black has not even been officially confirmed yet. I have seen 0 next-gen BS variant spy photos.
The Black Series is still years away. We won't be seeing it until the LCI C63 sedan is out - at the very least. Perhaps not until the LCI C63 Coupe is out.
The pics I posted are the standard C63 Coupe. The pics you posted feature the standard C63 Coupe. Different mules will have different wheels (just like with the W205 sedan spy shots).
Now, I'm willing to accept that we might not see substantially wider wheels/tires on the standard C63 coupe. But, I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility, particularly given these photos. Some of the feedback on the PL has included complaints about the fact that AMG only went up to 265 rears on the W205 sedan (W204 had 255s standard).
The Black Series will have much, much more pronounced fenders and different front/rear styling (as was the case for the W204 BS).
The front fascia on the C63 Coupe mule in these spy shots is virtually identical to the front fascia on the W205 sedan. The Black Series Coupe will have its own unique front and rear fascias. It's also likely that it'll have a more pronounced rear wing.
I guarantee you that we will not be seeing ANY Black Series mules for a while.
When I post spy shots, I am very careful with respect to getting the model right. When we finally do see BS mules, they will scream Black Series. These mules scream standard Merc-AMG C63 Coupe.
Source: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...oupe-spy-shots
"The new C63 Coupe will be mechanically similar to the C63 sedan, though the C-Class-based two-door cars benefit from a wider track as confirmed in the spy shots. The drivetrain will be identical, however, which means a twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V-8 paired with a seven-speed automatic transmission, with drive going to the rear wheels via a limited-slip differential."
The next-gen C63 Black has not even been officially confirmed yet. I have seen 0 next-gen BS variant spy photos.
The Black Series is still years away. We won't be seeing it until the LCI C63 sedan is out - at the very least. Perhaps not until the LCI C63 Coupe is out.
The pics I posted are the standard C63 Coupe. The pics you posted feature the standard C63 Coupe. Different mules will have different wheels (just like with the W205 sedan spy shots).
Now, I'm willing to accept that we might not see substantially wider wheels/tires on the standard C63 coupe. But, I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility, particularly given these photos. Some of the feedback on the PL has included complaints about the fact that AMG only went up to 265 rears on the W205 sedan (W204 had 255s standard).
The Black Series will have much, much more pronounced fenders and different front/rear styling (as was the case for the W204 BS).
The front fascia on the C63 Coupe mule in these spy shots is virtually identical to the front fascia on the W205 sedan. The Black Series Coupe will have its own unique front and rear fascias. It's also likely that it'll have a more pronounced rear wing.
I guarantee you that we will not be seeing ANY Black Series mules for a while.
When I post spy shots, I am very careful with respect to getting the model right. When we finally do see BS mules, they will scream Black Series. These mules scream standard Merc-AMG C63 Coupe.
Do you really think the non-BS coupe is going to be that wide in the rear while the sedan only has 265's? That would completely change the driving dynamics between the coupe and sedan.
Let's not forget that the last-gen C63 BS was initially being tested as a sedan, pre-LCI:
Source: http://wot.motortrend.com/spied-firs...ught-9428.html
And remember this video where everyone was excited because we saw meaty rear fenders for the first time (with what also appears to be the same exact deep dish rim/285's setup), right before the W205 was officially revealed with skinny hips?
I hope I'm wrong, but I do think they're testing the coupes in both regular C63 and BS tire/wheel setups. Maybe in the next set of spy pics, it will show narrower rear fenders that actually match the tire setup we see in the most recent pics I posted.
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05-24-2015, 04:18 PM
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It's clear that in both sets of spy shots, they are wearing the same exact wide front/rear fenders - in the set you posted, high-res pics show deep dish rear wheels with 285/30/19 tires that fill out the rear fenders perfectly. However, in the set of spy pics I posted, while it's wearing the same flared fenders, it only has the regular sedan C63 tires/rims, which is why it isn't flush with the fenders like it is with the deep dish 285's in the pics you posted... it looks comically undersized compared to (what I believe to be) the BS mule.
Do you really think the non-BS coupe is going to be that wide in the rear while the sedan only has 265's? That would completely change the driving dynamics between the coupe and sedan.
Let's not forget that the last-gen C63 BS was initially being tested as a sedan, pre-LCI:
Source: http://wot.motortrend.com/spied-firs...ught-9428.html
And remember this video where everyone was excited because we saw meaty rear fenders for the first time (with what also appears to be the same exact deep dish rim/285's setup), right before the W205 was officially revealed with skinny hips?
I hope I'm wrong, but I do think they're testing the coupes in both regular C63 and BS tire/wheel setups. Maybe in the next set of spy pics, it will show narrower rear fenders that actually match the tire setup we see in the most recent pics I posted.
Do you really think the non-BS coupe is going to be that wide in the rear while the sedan only has 265's? That would completely change the driving dynamics between the coupe and sedan.
Let's not forget that the last-gen C63 BS was initially being tested as a sedan, pre-LCI:
Source: http://wot.motortrend.com/spied-firs...ught-9428.html
And remember this video where everyone was excited because we saw meaty rear fenders for the first time (with what also appears to be the same exact deep dish rim/285's setup), right before the W205 was officially revealed with skinny hips?
I hope I'm wrong, but I do think they're testing the coupes in both regular C63 and BS tire/wheel setups. Maybe in the next set of spy pics, it will show narrower rear fenders that actually match the tire setup we see in the most recent pics I posted.
As far as the fenders and the rest of the exterior bodywork is concerned, that is the standard C63 Coupe being tested (IMHO and according to the sources posting the photos).
Now, they absolutely could be tinkering around with the fenders to accommodate different wheel/tire setups (perhaps thinking toward the future w/ the BS, or perhaps, toward the future w/ respect to the LCI models).
But, aside from the fenders (which actually don't look that incredibly wide to me), everything else appears to be virtually identical to the standard W205 (rotors, calipers, front fascia, etc.). I agree that the second set of rears do not fill out the rear fenders. Several tweaks could be made to fix that ill fitment though.
The Black Series will get some tweaks in the braking department (most likely larger rotors, perhaps CC rotors standard), engine cooling department, and suspension department. It could also benefit from some different engine internals. The bodywork will be a bit more flamboyant (e.g., larger rear fixed wing, larger air dams, more aggressive splitter) and the front and rear tires will be wider. I believe the W204 BS had 265s up front.
PS - How in the heck could you tell that the one mule had 285s, specifically, out back? You have crazy good eyesight bud. Nice spot.
05-24-2015, 04:47 PM
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No, as I acknowledged in my previous post, you could be absolutely right about the wheels and tires. I was just disagreeing about the cars being BS mules with respect to the rest of the bodywork, brakes, suspension, etc.
As far as the fenders and the rest of the exterior bodywork is concerned, that is the standard C63 Coupe being tested (IMHO and according to the sources posting the photos).
Now, they absolutely could be tinkering around with the fenders to accommodate different wheel/tire setups (perhaps thinking toward the future w/ the BS, or perhaps, toward the future w/ respect to the LCI models).
But, aside from the fenders (which actually don't look that incredibly wide to me), everything else appears to be virtually identical to the standard W205 (rotors, calipers, front fascia, etc.). I agree that the second set of rears do not fill out the rear fenders. Several tweaks could be made to fix that ill fitment though.
The Black Series will get some tweaks in the braking department (most likely larger rotors, perhaps CC rotors standard), engine cooling department, and suspension department. It could also benefit from some different engine internals. The bodywork will be a bit more flamboyant (e.g., larger rear fixed wing, larger air dams, more aggressive splitter) and the front and rear tires will be wider. I believe the W204 BS had 265s up front.
PS - How in the heck could you tell that the one mule had 285s, specifically, out back? You have crazy good eyesight bud. Nice spot.
As far as the fenders and the rest of the exterior bodywork is concerned, that is the standard C63 Coupe being tested (IMHO and according to the sources posting the photos).
Now, they absolutely could be tinkering around with the fenders to accommodate different wheel/tire setups (perhaps thinking toward the future w/ the BS, or perhaps, toward the future w/ respect to the LCI models).
But, aside from the fenders (which actually don't look that incredibly wide to me), everything else appears to be virtually identical to the standard W205 (rotors, calipers, front fascia, etc.). I agree that the second set of rears do not fill out the rear fenders. Several tweaks could be made to fix that ill fitment though.
The Black Series will get some tweaks in the braking department (most likely larger rotors, perhaps CC rotors standard), engine cooling department, and suspension department. It could also benefit from some different engine internals. The bodywork will be a bit more flamboyant (e.g., larger rear fixed wing, larger air dams, more aggressive splitter) and the front and rear tires will be wider. I believe the W204 BS had 265s up front.
PS - How in the heck could you tell that the one mule had 285s, specifically, out back? You have crazy good eyesight bud. Nice spot.
There are higher res pics floating around that show the tire size:
05-24-2015, 11:47 PM
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05-25-2015, 03:40 AM
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I do agree with you in that I think those wide fendered coupe mules are BS test beds, but quietly wishing they end up being regular C205 C63's and that the coupes also come with either standard or optional AWD as per the latest reports
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I have photographs of the next C63 coupe that I took a couple of weeks ago in Rocky Mountain National Park. The car was heavily camouflaged, of course. Given the availability of all the photos posted above, I can't explain why the German engineer was so nervous when he saw me taking the pictures, to the point where he tried to intimidate me into not shooting. Could it be the US version of the AWD S? I was just taking photos for myself and didn't mean to spy, or I could have taken some photos from underneath, looking for half-shafts up front. Anyway, I don't like to be pushed around, so the photos are now fair game - if you want to see them, let me know.
