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Old Mar 14, 2020 | 04:08 PM
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Question intake choice advice?

Which intake I should go for more power figures / response & induction noise?

The looks are also important

I am hesitating between Weistec and Eventuri.

Weistec sounds better, Eventuri's sound very subtle, but it's got the looks!

Power-wise I understand they are the same?
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Old Mar 14, 2020 | 04:12 PM
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BMS is the only choice when all factors are considered.

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That’s a loaded question. Modalworks claims the most power gain I have seen. Looks is even more personal choice ;-)

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Old Mar 14, 2020 | 05:57 PM
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Aren’t we worried about IAT’s with this design? I am sure this question has been asked before.
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Old Mar 14, 2020 | 06:57 PM
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Someone might be but we've done extensive 1/2 mile testing in warm weather and showed the IAT was no worse than the factory intake. Between the factor cold air ducting, the radiant heat shield, and the fact that air in the engine bay is evacuated ever few seconds at high engine speed, it didn't come as a surprise.
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Old Mar 15, 2020 | 04:08 AM
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Someone might be but we've done extensive 1/2 mile testing in warm weather and showed the IAT was no worse than the factory intake. Between the factor cold air ducting, the radiant heat shield, and the fact that air in the engine bay is evacuated ever few seconds at high engine speed, it didn't come as a surprise.
Should the aftermarket system not be better than the factory? Thanks, BMS - but I guess I like them systems with closed (or what's the word - isolated) air filters that are not exposed.
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Originally Posted by rdrrua
Which intake I should go for more power figures / response & induction noise?

The looks are also important

I am hesitating between Weistec and Eventuri.

Weistec sounds better, Eventuri's sound very subtle, but it's got the looks!

Power-wise I understand they are the same?
there is nothing to chose if there is eventuri on the market lol
How can you compare Weistec to it.. jesus
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Originally Posted by juse
there is nothing to chose if there is eventuri on the market lol
How can you compare Weistec to it.. jesus
I can’t speak how eventuri compares to Weistec but they look awesome and what they say about sealed air box design makes a ton of sense. Not cheap but may go good with the Gruppe M up front. 🙃

https://www.eventuri.net/products/me...w205-c63s-amg/
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Originally Posted by rdrrua
Should the aftermarket system not be better than the factory? Thanks, BMS - but I guess I like them systems with closed (or what's the word - isolated) air filters that are not exposed.
No problem. Just be aware fully closed systems out can not provide the same level of performance due to reduced airlfow and don't give you the same level of sound.
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No problem. Just be aware fully closed systems out can not provide the same level of performance due to reduced airlfow and don't give you the same level of sound.
well, you would to have to back that up with data and measure your airflow and compare to eventuri, Weistec and other sealed systems. Sound - yeah it’s different but depends what you like it maybe better or worse.
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Originally Posted by rdrrua
Which intake I should go for more power figures / response & induction noise?

The looks are also important

I am hesitating between Weistec and Eventuri.

Weistec sounds better, Eventuri's sound very subtle, but it's got the looks!

Power-wise I understand they are the same?
ill have my weistec intake for sale next week
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Old Mar 18, 2020 | 04:58 PM
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If I'm reading this right, why are the Tq and HP numbers going in opposite directions?
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Old Mar 18, 2020 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ///Bruce
If I'm reading this right, why are the Tq and HP numbers going in opposite directions?
If I read that chart correct because the TQ peak is at the lower RPM and the pre-intake curve has a little peak there around 3500RPM. At low RPM the two curves don't look much different other than some different smaller peaks/valleys...The intake gains are at the higher RPM...where the TQ falls off from peak....
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Old Mar 18, 2020 | 07:45 PM
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Intakes are all about increasing horsepower, and it typically manifests at the top end of the rpm band where the factory intake is no longer able to supply enough for the high airflow demands. Esp on a turbocharged car, its all about increasing flow. It's very typical that intakes may even lose a few mid range or low end horsepower, but more than make up for it with gains on the top end. I would gladly take trade 5 torque for 30 horse power

If you prioritize sound and looks, great. I think most intakes are going to sound better than stock, open filter intakes moreso. Also closed intakes are probably not keeping IATs down meaningfully over open filter intakes. BMS intake is not pretty compared to other options, true. Whether those better looks are worth 3-5x the price, is a personal choice.

If you want hp and bang for buck, BMS or Modal are it. Both companies have provided really good data and info on their products . if you want looks at top dollar, aventuri is beatiful.

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Like I laid out in the other thread, our intake offers tons of performance improvements, and the production design will be carbon fiber. You can pre-order now for a steal, $400 now and $400 due at launch.

https://modal.works/shop/w205-c63-hi...ntake-preorder

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Originally Posted by ModalWorks
Like I laid out in the other thread, our intake offers tons of performance improvements, and the production design will be carbon fiber. You can pre-order now for a steal, $400 now and $400 due at launch.

https://modal.works/shop/w205-c63-hi...ntake-preorder
I did not ask in the other thread but where will the air sensor be mounted of et all? Also, any thoughts to provide a place to put the name plaque back on?
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 06:49 PM
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I did not ask in the other thread but where will the air sensor be mounted of et all? Also, any thoughts to provide a place to put the name plaque back on?
Air filter quality sensors remain plugged in and tied back to the surrounding loom, they are not utilized in our design. For the badge relocation, we are exploring some options, primary being an adapter piece that connects to the top of the oil cap. This will likely be anodized aluminum, let us know your thoughts!


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Originally Posted by ModalWorks
Air filter quality sensors remain plugged in and tied back to the surrounding loom, they are not utilized in our design. For the badge relocation, we are exploring some options, primary being an adapter piece that connects to the top of the oil cap. This will likely be anodized aluminum, let us know your thoughts!
Thanks! On badge location - on top of oil cap is an interesting idea but would not be my first choice. Would need to be a snap on or orientation may vary? Why not make a flat surface on the round intake tube? Just a thought.
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For the badge relocation, we are exploring some options, primary being an adapter piece that connects to the top of the oil cap. This will likely be anodized aluminum, let us know your thoughts!
thats OK - but ultimately i think it should be on the tube, or don't bother.
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Thanks! On badge location - on top of oil cap is an interesting idea but would not be my first choice. Would need to be a snap on or orientation may vary? Why not make a flat surface on the round intake tube? Just a thought.
We didn't create an indention on the tube to keep the flow optimized. The effects are likely tiny, but we never simulated or tested for it so it hasn't made it in. I'm looking at an alternative placement for the build plaque that effectively puts it in the gap on the left intake to mirror the location of the oil cap.

The oil cap is always clocked in the same position so orientation isn't an issue. The current design has a slight interference fit that sits snugly on the cap.
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ModalWorks
We didn't create an indention on the tube to keep the flow optimized. The effects are likely tiny, but we never simulated or tested for it so it hasn't made it in. I'm looking at an alternative placement for the build plaque that effectively puts it in the gap on the left intake to mirror the location of the oil cap.

The oil cap is always clocked in the same position so orientation isn't an issue. The current design has a slight interference fit that sits snugly on the cap.
Instead of flattening the tube why not make it a raised flat area?
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Originally Posted by tobeit
Instead of flattening the tube why not make it a raised flat area?
I don’t understand this obsession with displaying the plaque on aftermarket intakes. To me, aftermarket performance parts are always function over form - whatever has the best results.

I’m sure they could create a new mold/design to add a raised area, but this is adding unnecessary cost. Personally, with intakes, I’m not wanting to spend well over a grand for something that adds some top end power. I’d be happier putting that money towards some new, stickier tires.

I will say I’m the kinda guy that’s interested in the regular plastic version modalworks is doing for their pre-production. I’m sure the CF version will look cooler and weigh 2 ounces less than plastic, but it adds unnecessary cost to a part that shouldn’t cost a fortune in my opinion.
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I don’t understand this obsession with displaying the plaque on aftermarket intakes. To me, aftermarket performance parts are always function over form - whatever has the best results.

I’m sure they could create a new mold/design to add a raised area, but this is adding unnecessary cost. Personally, with intakes, I’m not wanting to spend well over a grand for something that adds some top end power. I’d be happier putting that money towards some new, stickier tires.

I will say I’m the kinda guy that’s interested in the regular plastic version modalworks is doing for their pre-production. I’m sure the CF version will look cooler and weigh 2 ounces less than plastic, but it adds unnecessary cost to a part that shouldn’t cost a fortune in my opinion.
No problem with what you are saying and get your point. But if you don't care too much about form and appearance and just function and performance a C63 is maybe not the ideal platform. You pay a lot for that AMG sticker on the back.
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I wouldn't care too much about the badge, as long as the intake performed. I'm not going to be driving with my hood up lol. That's just me though.
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No problem with what you are saying and get your point. But if you don't care too much about form and appearance and just function and performance a C63 is maybe not the ideal platform. You pay a lot for that AMG sticker on the back.
I said aftermarket performance parts, not the car/platform itself.

How often are you in your engine bay? The only time my hood opens is when I’m giving my car a wash/wipe down to clean. So to that point, I don’t really care what an intake looks like as long as it performs as stated.

The fact that we have hot-V mounted turbos with reverse flow heads already makes the engine bay way cooler to look at then the 99% of cars that hide everything with giant plastic engine covers.
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