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2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Nearly 100 New 2023 C63S’s For Sale on AT
As recently as 3 weeks ago, there were only around 40-50 new C63S coupes/convertibles listed for sale on Autotrader. Many of those were FE coupes. When I tallied them up, there were only around a dozen or so non-FE’s for sale in the entire country. As of today, the total number of C63S’s listed for sale has basically doubled as many of the 2023 builds are making their way into dealerships or are in ocean transit. Nearly 3 weeks ago, it was nearly impossible to find one without an ADM. While many dealers today are tacking on ADM’s, there are still some really nicely spec’d builds left up for grabs without any ADM. I had a choice between 2 almost identical magno graphite coupe builds, both without ADM. I ended up securing the one that 95% matches my own build sheet that I submitted to my dealer 6 months ago which never ended up getting an allocation.
So my point is that if you’re in the market for a final chance to own a brand new C63S, now is the time to act. I suspect that as inventory gradually trickles down in mid to late summer (as it did in 2021), the few remaining builds will see hefty ADM’s as buyers compete for whatever they can get their hands on.
Nice! Share some photos once you receive it. I placed an order recently but haven't heard back from the dealership whether I'd get an allocation or not. Order bank is open, he tells me but no updates so far. My build is for cabriolet which currently has limited availability. Idk maybe I should just grab what's left in the market.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by parrrky417
Nice! Share some photos once you receive it. I placed an order recently but haven't heard back from the dealership whether I'd get an allocation or not. Order bank is open, he tells me but no updates so far. My build is for cabriolet which currently has limited availability. Idk maybe I should just grab what's left in the market.
Thanks, I’ll definitely post pics when I receive it. I had a choice between two magno graphite coupes. Both of them were spec’d almost identically but with different color interiors. I initially went with the red pepper interior which didn’t have the Driver Assist package or the cf steering wheel. Then after I had already put down a good size deposit, another dealer called to inform me that almost the exact spec’d build I was looking for was on the way. Fortunately the first dealer who took my deposit promptly refunded me when I explained what happened. It also helped that I bought my problematic 2021 from them. So I ended up changing to the one with Driver Assist and black w/yellow stitching interior. I didn’t really care for the DA2 package but I think it’ll help the resale value should I decide to ever sell it. Both cars are otherwise fully loaded less rear passenger side airbags and ceramic brakes.
I don’t know how much of this is true as there’s no way for us to really verify, but what I’ve heard from more than one MB sales rep, all the 2023 C63S allocations were already handed out in Q4 2022 and most of those builds have been completed or nearing completion. Dealers that are still taking orders without a concrete allocation are doing what’s known as a “Hail Mary” order, hoping it somehow gets picked by the order system and eventually assigned a PO# for the build. I was told these orders have a slim chance of actually getting built so if it were me, I’d be looking at what’s available on the market. If I didn’t hear anything back by end of May or early June, I’d settle for a dealer build. Last I checked, there were only a dozen cabs out of 98 2023 C63S’s for sale on AT.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
That ~100 number of new C63S's has now dwindled to 77 on Autotrader. Today, there are roughly the same number (30+) of FE's listed as there were when I posted this thread so they don't really seem to be in big demand. Not surprising, considering the huge $36.4k FE markup.
Recently, I had dealer wanting to charge a $30k ADM on a nicely spec'd non-FE and another wanted $50k ADM on an FE lol. Dealers seem to all over the place on these 2023's but there are still some great deals out there. Is anyone currently in the market for a new one? I found 3 magno graphite coupes (not including the one I'm buying) that the dealers were willing to let go @MSRP. I don't see the non-FE's lasting much longer, by June most of them will likely be gone. And I'm almost 100% sure there are no more new allocations to be had.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
A month later since my last count, and the number of new 2023’s has dropped from 77 to 63 on Autotrader. However, 3 of those are already sold but still appear in the search. Out of the 60 remaining cars, 6 are cabs. And out of the 54 remaining coupes, 43 are FE’s. So there are only 11 non-FE coupes left in the country and most of them aren’t highly spec’d. It’s unlikely we’ll see many more 2023’s enter the market and if there are still any nonFE’s that haven’t shipped or are still in transit, they’re likely already sold.
If you’re in the market for a final V8 C63s, now’s the time to make some calls because by this time next month I’m willing to bet all that will be left are the overpriced FE’s.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
This popped up in my email as I had contacted several dealers when I was searching for my car. Several have emailed me over the past few weeks as cars became available to them.
There's a 2023 Cirrus Silver coupe that the dealer's willing to let go of @ MSRP. For '23, this is a very rare color as I've only seen a total of maybe 2 or 3 ever listed on AT. It doesn't have the aero package, DA2, or HUD, but other than that it's a pretty solid build. If anyone's interested, you can search on Autotrader and it's the only 2023 silver coupe for sale at the moment.
I think the large number of FE's still available on AT really shows someone failed in their marketing department. Clearly, the people have spoken. For a $25k+ markup, people want options and they're not going to just buy the car because "final edition" like some of the past models.
I think the large number of FE's still available on AT really shows someone failed in their marketing department. Clearly, the people have spoken. For a $25k+ markup, people want options and they're not going to just buy the car because "final edition" like some of the past models.
We went to a MB dealership last weekend. They had two FE’s for sale. No. At first glance, the chrome-y wheels threw me off. The racing stripes? Nah. The matt paint? Way too hard to maintain over the years. IMO…
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by ForMBForum
I think the large number of FE's still available on AT really shows someone failed in their marketing department. Clearly, the people have spoken. For a $25k+ markup, people want options and they're not going to just buy the car because "final edition" like some of the past models.
No doubt, they just don’t have the same bang for the buck as a highly spec’d non-FE. At least Euro spec FE’s were fully optioned.
I’m questioning if FE’s are really even more limited than non-FE’s. Last year I read somewhere that the 2023 C63S was going to be an extremely limited production run of maybe a couple hundred coupes, and now I have reason to believe that number might be close to an accurate worldwide production number for non-FE’s. I’ve been watching Autotrader like a hawk the past 3-4 months ever since 2023’s began making their way to dealership showrooms, which coincided with my dealer informing me that I wouldn’t be getting an allocation.
At no point during this time had the number of non-FE’s exceeded the number of FE’s on AT. I think the closest it got was 40 FE’s to 27 non-FE’s. Today there are no less than 38 FE’s to only 10-12 non-FE coupes left for sale in the country. By my calculations, only 35-40 non-FE coupes and 12-15 convertibles have so far been listed on AT for all of 2023. I find that really interesting since that combined figure is far less than the 100 FE’s which were allocated for the US. However, we’ll probably never know if my theory is accurate as the non-FE production numbers have so far not been published and it’s doubtful MB will make them known.
Originally Posted by ///Bruce
We went to a MB dealership last weekend. They had two FE’s for sale. No. At first glance, the chrome-y wheels threw me off. The racing stripes? Nah. The matt paint? Way too hard to maintain over the years. IMO…
And not to mention, for that $133k price tag you don’t get ceramic brakes, night package, carbon steering wheel, or carbon I and II packages. Oh, and for whatever bizarre reason, not even ventilated seats.
The magno graphite paint would definitely not have been my first color choice as it was going to be a challenge to maintain. But that’s why I’m getting my non-FE fully wrapped in Xpel stealth and ceramic coated.
Don't forget about BMW's the last several years. As an example look at the last several iterations of their M2's. Variation after endless variation. Remember they went through a period of years getting rid of old product by adding a few bolt-ons and then jacking up the costs because it's the last of them.... Herd mentality. It's Marketing 101: convince people that they never knew they had a need for something until marketing told them they had to have one.
A FE of anything is a come-on. Take the difference of coin you'd save and buy the car of your dreams with the options YOU want; not what the manufacturer wants to 'sell' you.
Aside from the decals, I'm not even sure what's so special about it. For $28,500 more (I think), I would expect different aero, rims, colors, and interior options.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you just order a regular C63s with the same options, then add the decal? If the decal can be added for less than $28,500, then you saved money, no?
Aside from the decals, I'm not even sure what's so special about it. For $28,500 more (I think), I would expect different aero, rims, colors, and interior options.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you just order a regular C63s with the same options, then add the decal? If the decal can be added for less than $28,500, then you saved money, no?
Well, you also get the pfl exhaust apparently, but ya no that is not worth $28,500...
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by ForMBForum
In re: FE
Aside from the decals, I'm not even sure what's so special about it. For $28,500 more (I think), I would expect different aero, rims, colors, and interior options.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you just order a regular C63s with the same options, then add the decal? If the decal can be added for less than $28,500, then you saved money, no?
Well, in theory you could “just order a regular C63s with the same options” but realistically this wasn’t possible for the vast amount buyers as it was nearly impossible to find an open allocation. So the next best option was to do what buyers such as myself and @benzbell did, which was to find a dealer build that was on the showroom floor or in transit that best matched the options we wanted. In my case, I found a 99% match. The only thing I would’ve maybe changed on my own build order would have been the color. My car is the same magno graphite gray, has several more options, and I paid $27k less than an FE.
I agree, for the $28k premium the FE should have been outfitted with a more high end interior, a special color, bespoke rims and aero, etc. At the very least it should’ve been fully loaded, ceramics included. Instead, all that sets it apart are a few badges, matte carbon trim, interior yellow accents on the door sills, yellow piping on the floor mats, exterior stickers/decals, and a car cover. All these parts can probably be had for $3-4k at best from the MB parts department if someone wants to make their magno graphite non-FE look like an FE.
Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
Well, you also get the pfl exhaust apparently, but ya no that is not worth $28,500...
This hasn’t yet been 100% confirmed. We do know the Euro spec FE has more crackles, pops, and bangs. But some have pointed out that while it sounds better than ‘19-21 FL’s, it doesn’t have the same theatrics as the PFL. But yeah, even if it was identical to the PFL, it’s not worth anything near $28k but I could see myself paying a couple grand for it.
Well, in theory you could “just order a regular C63s with the same options” but realistically this wasn’t possible for the vast amount buyers as it was nearly impossible to find an open allocation. So the next best option was to do what buyers such as myself and @benzbell did, which was to find a dealer build that was on the showroom floor or in transit that best matched the options we wanted. In my case, I found a 99% match. The only thing I would’ve maybe changed on my own build order would have been the color. My car is the same magno graphite gray, has several more options, and I paid $27k less than an FE.
I agree, for the $28k premium the FE should have been outfitted with a more high end interior, a special color, bespoke rims and aero, etc. At the very least it should’ve been fully loaded, ceramics included. Instead, all that sets it apart are a few badges, matte carbon trim, interior yellow accents on the door sills, yellow piping on the floor mats, exterior stickers/decals, and a car cover. All these parts can probably be had for $3-4k at best from the MB parts department if someone wants to make their magno graphite non-FE look like an FE.
My car is taking so long that I'm actually wondering if my dealer actually had an allocation for it when I ordered it. I ordered my car in Oct of 22' and it has only now just "arrived at the port of departure" this morning. That's 9 months and it hasn't even "shipped" yet. I really hope it doesn't sit at the port for months, as some others have reported. It still has 30 days of transit time away, and that's not counting the time it will spend at the VPC LAX, or in port at HNL. I've been Ubering around for more than a month now, since it's actually cheaper than extending my old lease on a month-to-month basis.
I really think they should have offered more for the markup. Discounted custom paint and decals [thinking, maybe the Magno Green with black stripes might be cool], special FE rims, and a more robust CF aero may have made it worth it. And yeah, 25k and it doesn't even have the carbon brakes? That's insane!
I read those things and it makes me feel good for paying 10 over MSRP and having almost the build exact as I wanted it!
I'm only missing the CF | and CF || which I managed to get from mercteil so I have the mirror caps and the trunk spoiler... in the future il get the side skirts and the front and back splitters but no rush.
I acted fast and sometimes felt like too fast! But it proves that I did well.
She just came back from full xpel stealth wrap and I'm freaking in love with it. ah also I haven't finish my break in period yet and I have it since march lol only 500miles lmfao
I read those things and it makes me feel good for paying 10 over MSRP and having almost the build exact as I wanted it!
I'm only missing the CF | and CF || which I managed to get from mercteil so I have the mirror caps and the trunk spoiler... in the future il get the side skirts and the front and back splitters but no rush.
I acted fast and sometimes felt like too fast! But it proves that I did well.
She just came back from full xpel stealth wrap and I'm freaking in love with it. ah also I haven't finish my break in period yet and I have it since march lol only 500miles lmfao
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by ForMBForum
My car is taking so long that I'm actually wondering if my dealer actually had an allocation for it when I ordered it. I ordered my car in Oct of 22' and it has only now just "arrived at the port of departure" this morning. That's 9 months and it hasn't even "shipped" yet. I really hope it doesn't sit at the port for months, as some others have reported. It still has 30 days of transit time away, and that's not counting the time it will spend at the VPC LAX, or in port at HNL. I've been Ubering around for more than a month now, since it's actually cheaper than extending my old lease on a month-to-month basis.
I really think they should have offered more for the markup. Discounted custom paint and decals [thinking, maybe the Magno Green with black stripes might be cool], special FE rims, and a more robust CF aero may have made it worth it. And yeah, 25k and it doesn't even have the carbon brakes? That's insane!
Yeah no ceramic brakes for the USA FE's, however the Euro spec FE's have ceramic brakes as well as night package, and carbon I & II packages.
I'm glad to hear there's finally some progress with your car. At least now you know that it got built, which is a big milestone. Mine sat at port in Germany waiting for a ship for about a week before it was on its way to the Baltimore VPC. You're in the final stretch, just hang in there!
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by kashkashio
I read those things and it makes me feel good for paying 10 over MSRP and having almost the build exact as I wanted it!
I'm only missing the CF | and CF || which I managed to get from mercteil so I have the mirror caps and the trunk spoiler... in the future il get the side skirts and the front and back splitters but no rush.
I acted fast and sometimes felt like too fast! But it proves that I did well.
She just came back from full xpel stealth wrap and I'm freaking in love with it. ah also I haven't finish my break in period yet and I have it since march lol only 500miles lmfao
There she is:
I've never been a big fan of tinted tail lights but otherwise it looks great!
I just got mine back today as well with a full Xpel stealth wrap and tint. I'll be posting pics in my other thread shortly.
This hasn’t yet been 100% confirmed. We do know the Euro spec FE has more crackles, pops, and bangs. But some have pointed out that while it sounds better than ‘19-21 FL’s, it doesn’t have the same theatrics as the PFL. But yeah, even if it was identical to the PFL, it’s not worth anything near $28k but I could see myself paying a couple grand for it.
Hmmm I see, will be interesting if we get more data to work with.
Same, I would be willing to pay a couple grand for it too, definitely not $28K...
Inventory dropping on 2023 C63s right now. I see less than ten for sale. Of course there is still a bevy of FEs available right now. Even some of those have sold as of recent. Wonder what some dealers had to do to move them. Let's just say it had to be more than a set of matching AMG coffee mugs.
Inventory dropping on 2023 C63s right now. I see less than ten for sale. Of course there is still a bevy of FEs available right now. Even some of those have sold as of recent. Wonder what some dealers had to do to move them. Let's just say it had to be more than a set of matching AMG coffee mugs.
Maybe we've got it wrong.
Supposed a big-brained MBA calculated it out. Limit the number of C63s, which results in lower sales volume. Eventually, as these cars sell, the only thing left will be the FE's at $28k markup. For every 4 FE's that sell, it's like selling 5 regular C63s. That means the 100 FE's on AT equate to about 120 C63s. If it is true that less than 120 C63s would be sold, then it is far more equitable to sell the 100 FE's as it nets more money, even if it's less volume.
Supposed a big-brained MBA calculated it out. Limit the number of C63s, which results in lower sales volume. Eventually, as these cars sell, the only thing left will be the FE's at $28k markup. For every 4 FE's that sell, it's like selling 5 regular C63s. That means the 100 FE's on AT equate to about 120 C63s. If it is true that less than 120 C63s would be sold, then it is far more equitable to sell the 100 FE's as it nets more money, even if it's less volume.
Kind of glad they at least didn't make 2023 C 63 S only available in FE "trim" even if the inventory is on the low side. As for selling less volume for more profit, wasn't that what MB has been doing at the start of when everything that happened in the world back in the recent years? They don't care about volume selling their models, care about high profits instead, countries like Australia also have the agency pricing model so no negotiation whatsoever.
They also mentioned they want to go upmarket by removing some entry level models and then they also introduced Mythos, they want their brand back to a more prestigious one and so far their "strategy" might be working.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by benzbell
Inventory dropping on 2023 C63s right now. I see less than ten for sale. Of course there is still a bevy of FEs available right now. Even some of those have sold as of recent. Wonder what some dealers had to do to move them. Let's just say it had to be more than a set of matching AMG coffee mugs.
I counted only 8 non-FE coupes to 34 FE’s. It’s certainly slim pickings out there.
Originally Posted by ForMBForum
Maybe we've got it wrong.
Supposed a big-brained MBA calculated it out. Limit the number of C63s, which results in lower sales volume. Eventually, as these cars sell, the only thing left will be the FE's at $28k markup. For every 4 FE's that sell, it's like selling 5 regular C63s. That means the 100 FE's on AT equate to about 120 C63s. If it is true that less than 120 C63s would be sold, then it is far more equitable to sell the 100 FE's as it nets more money, even if it's less volume.
That’s a plausible theory. But I don’t know why they kept the non-FE production as low as they did. I don’t have solid proof but from what I’ve seen, I’m fairly convinced that the non-FE’s are even more limited than FE’s, at least here in the US.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
And then there was one! Over the past week, all but one of the remaining 6-7 non-FE coupes have sold. There are only 2 non-FE coupes listed on AT but one is already sold. There are also 2 cabs still listed but I’m not sure if they’re even available. The lone holdout is a polar white w/red w/pepper interior coupe. I’m guessing the lofty ADM has something to do with why it’s been sitting on the dealer lot for months, especially considering it has no exterior carbon packages, no cf steering, and no ventilated seats. It does have all the tech packages, aero package and night package, performance seats and cross spoke black wheels. If anyone’s interested in buying the final non-FE coupe in the country, it can be had for $117.6k.
@ForMBForum you posted this back in June on another thread:
Originally Posted by ForMBForum
My C63s is currently on the way. Should hit the Panama Canal in a few days. I can't wait to feel a v8 again!
Did you ever take delivery of your C63S? If so, you’d be the only person I’ve heard of that got their own 2023 C63S build produced and shipped so I hope it all worked out for you.
P.S. There are still at least 25 FE’s left if there’re any takers! 😂
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