MiamiDave

2005 CL65 for $83K? Good price?

I has every option, near perfect condition, appropriate mileage, and almost 2 years left on factory warranty?

Vic55

Define appropriate because on a CL65 it would have to be under 10k IMO if not even less.

transferred

Why so low?

Vic- is your 65 stock?

Vic55

The V12 AMG's are affected even more by miles than most because they are more of a specialty item versus a daily driver and the V12 engine- It can be a plus or a minus depending on where your price range is. A CL65 with heavy miles (20k plus) will bring nothing because the demand for a highly devalued V12 with miles is much less than one with a low amount of miles. So you will get a nice price but there is the wear and tear thing that comes into play on these V12's versus a standard engine.

My car is stock except for an ECU tune.

Take a look at the last few auction sales. These are bare bottom prices and recon is probably 1k-2k more. As you can see the milers drop the value even more.

2005 CL65:

04/26/07 RIVRSIDE Regular $74,000 48,782 Avg SILVER 12G A No
04/12/07 RIVRSIDE Regular $79,500 32,016 Avg BLACK 12G A Yes
03/22/07 MANHEIM Regular $75,000 27,144 Avg SILVER 12G A Yes
03/16/07 RIVRSIDE Lease $81,000 29,616 Avg BLACK 12G A Yes
03/14/07 CEN FLA Regular $95,000 15,390 Avg Black 12G A Yes
03/14/07 W PALM Regular $81,000 25,803 Avg BLACK 12G A Yes

retardedmunk

I highly doubt a hand built v12 bi-turbo...with the best of parts would have any more wear and tear then a standard motor all in all.... a Lexus is known for giving 200k plus miles no prob... so why not a Benz? The BENZ is better built period... if you take care of it... run it hard on occasion ...change the oil!!!... you should get an easy 200k miles... I have seen many cars with high high miles not even coming close to the quaility of the Benz ...all of them ran excellent and quick... I have had a few turbo v6 buicks with well over 100k miles untouched internally.... original turbo still running 11's and having almost zero cylinder wear on tear down... hell I have seen a 250k mile GN with the internals untouched running 10's .....so it depends on how you take care of the car and the overall engineering of the original engine that would give the most miles without problems....nobody has put 100k miles on these AMG's yet... maybe a few of the 55's but no v12's... but I say let it ride....a 50k mile car can be a better car if the 10k mile car had no oil change run recklessy hard and taken out for a quick drive to the store and back frequently.... engines need time to warm up.....if you are afraid of a high mileage car then you need to educate yourself on the fundamentals of the mechanics of a car.....I once had a 1996 Ford Ranger with a v6 stick shift... well I sold the truck with close to 187k miles.. the interior ..exterior and engine was like new... I bought it with only 50k miles on it originally... I changed the oil monthly...not every 3k... but monthly... I just drove that much... the truck ran like a 5k mile truck... no BULL****....I also bought a 1987 Limited turbo Buick (super rare) with 156k miles... original turbo and engine was never apart.. this was back in 1995.... I would race new vettes and SS Impalas (slow) for fun.... this car would go sideways in second and ran a 13.20@105 bone stock and over 150k miles....after that car I realized mileage is only a number... you just gotta go by the condition of the car and how it was maintained.... that Limited was maintained well... so it ran well ...all the way up to 175k miles until I sold it... oh yeah and no repairs and I raced it atleast 20 times....car was solid as a rock....ok enough stories...

m_berman

Warranty, Warranty, Warranty. Like real estate, this is the most determining factor assuming no body or frame work.

It these engines, ecu, ac, airmatic need repair, you might as well mortgage your home if not in warranty. Repairs are super expensive and double that on AMG Engines.

Most cars today can go beyond 100K miles easily. Performance cars perform best as judged by the big ego owners will less than 30K miles.

MB Dealers resell pre-owned MB when they come off lease (12, 24 and 36k miles) as No. 1 pickes, the others go to auction and are sold by used car dealers and p/p. That just the way the market works.

If you just want to show off that you drive an MB just buy one off the lot fram a used car dealer or p/p--its not CPO and is 2nd or 3rd pick cars and save the $$$.

Thericker

But bro, even if it it had 40k-90k miles w/existing standard 4yr 50k-100k extended fact warranty who cares if it blows up tomorrow? they'll replace the entire motor/trans etc...

Considering you have no plans on making/saving any resale value? these V12' TT are especially dropping like no other just sickening, kills me to see such depreciation, but from a future buyers standpoint It's a veritable smorgasbord!

Stiggs

Amen brotha! Long live the buyers market!!!!

MiamiDave

Sorry for the cryptic notations...I've dealt with some shady folks (in Alabama) so I play my hand close lately. The car has 1.5 years of factory warranty left, and has used up half of the miles. If I decide to keep it, I have one premiere extended warranty company. To own this car out of warranty let the beatings begin...

I will agree, the price point on these cars appears to be mileage, but this engine was overbuilt and detuned from the begining. I'm not worried about the mileage. I've always, ALWAYS had problems with low mileage vehicles b/c they are not cared for, and run...they just sit there as oils turn to crud and sludge builds up.

From the looks at the auctions, this is a good price, with the guy making a few $$$ (everyone has to eat).

Vic55

I guess it all depends one's value of piece of mind. To me I would much rather spend more to get a car with hardly any miles than have a V12 timebomb that would cause me headaches at the dealer. I have checked with my service advisor, the 12'ers are in all the time for something. My intercooler pump has failed twice already and I only have 5k miles on the beast. But everytime I floor that car it makes it all worth while.

ScottCLS55

I just re-read the other thread, did you buy the black opal car from autoconnection?or another one?? I'm confused..


I wish you would have read the other thread on this car...

Does it have AMG rims back on the car??

MiamiDave

No. I'm sorry for the confusuion. This is another car in another state. The Black Opel is dead to me-if they called and begged for $75K I'd reconsider it as the price would justify it.

george1234k

Hi Vic,

How can you tell that your intercooler pump has failed? thanks

george

ItalianStallion

If its anything like the V8 Kompressors then it means that the timing will be pulled and the car will run much slower...or (I don't know if turbos work like superchargers in this regard) the turbos will be shut off and you will only be running naturally aspirated.

Vic55

It feels like a normally aspirated V12- just a big sled that winds up rpms and goes much slower than normal. If you ever have driven a 65- you can tell easily when the turbos spool up and when they dont. Trust me it sucks when they dont but when they do, watch out!!!!!

france2112

Hi,
I guess the race is on for a good CL65. I live in Plantation, FL and I am also looking for a good deal on a CL65. I can't find one!! How many miles are on the one you are looking at? If for any reason you don't want it let me know ASAP as I am interested if you think it is a good car. There is one car in California that has about 30K miles offered for 85K that I am interested in. I offered 78K and he refused. Oh well. He has had the car for sale over 6 months. Let it rot as far as I'm concerned. I think he is foolish to not sell it. I'm looking at a low mileage 2006 CL600 for around 80K. I'm just worried I'll regret getting a 600 over a 65. I'll have to get 19" wheels, cross drilled rear rotors, new (quad) exhaust, and Renntech ECU/TCU just to be similar to a stock CL65. I don't know if the cost justifies this. Anyway good luck and send me a message if you get the car as I'd love to see it.

BlownV8

He will probably end up keeping his car if he passed on your offer. Not smart given the steep depreciation curve.

I purchased a CL600 with AMG body kit, upgraded the ECU/TCU with Renntech, and added 19" wheels. I've been told by all that the CL600 is as fast or faster than the CL65 without the ECU upgrades. However, I find myself constantly looking for a good used CL65. There is not a whole lot of difference between the two but the CL65 does offer more power after the Renntech ECU than the CL600.

If you are looking at an $80,000 CL600 you should just spend the $8,000 - $10,000 more and buy a perfect low mileage 2005 CL65. You will always want the 65 no matter how much you love the 600. Spend the extra money and get the 65.

Addicted2Speed

All I have to say is it totally sucks for a daily driver/GT-type car to depreciate so fast because of "high" miles. With a ferrari, lambo, or porsche, its perfectly understandable since these are weekend machines that people drive once or twice a week. But a SL/CL/S65 AMG is meant to be driven daily, why would anyone buy a GT car and make it a garage queen? If you're going to buy a car to drive it a few thousand miles a year, it makes much more sense to get a real exotic sports car. These Mercedes are meant to and should be driven...

france2112

Thanks!! I appreciate the advice. I am still looking for a loaded CL65.

MiamiDave

Send me a PM since I am looking at another car today (not a CL65) and the CL is being held for me.

If I choose not to buy that car, I will connect you with the seller.

I also spoke with that guy out in California, and he is holding fast...

france2112

PM sent! Let me know ASAP. Thanks and good luck with whatever car you are looking at today.

Stiggs

Maybe they like the AMG's better than Lambo or Ferrari. I'm not gonna drive my AMG to work, so it sits in the garage all week.