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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 02:54 AM
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I love this thread, its the most action in the CL forum in a long long time.
You're welcome. It was all part of the grand plan. We all talked it over and thought you CL guys were kind of lonely so we decided to stop in and liven things up for you.

Ok, back to mud slinging...
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 03:04 AM
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Vic55,

This is the reason why we correct our times.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/193102-63-all-models-best-1-4-1-8-a.html

Once you read through the B.S. It makes all tracks on the same playing field.
Nhra does this for all stock and superstock classes. It's called an index. The index is used so racers across the US have a number that is given for there class and takes out factors like Weather , Altitude , Air Density. It's alot for some on this board to swallow . But the NHRA has done it for all of Thirty some years. But what do they know.

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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Vic55
I love this thread, its the most action in the CL forum in a long long time.

Question for the 63 owners, whats up with all the quarter mile times posted with corrected numbers (as your sig) I have seen of late? I understand what corrected times mean but why post them, I never saw an E55 owner post a corrected time slip or 600 owner or a 65 owner. Or maybe I just wasnt looking that hard, my bad if I missed them.

I guess if my 55 ran an 11.79 I would just post that time not change to adjust it since "it is what it is" right? Can you truly guarantee that your run with adjustments would actually be the corrected time? Is the formula guaranteed? I need more track training I guess
its not all 63 owners, juice does it cause the track at lacr is un comparable to any other track in the us, and It helps in comparison with other 63 guys in the east coast where thier tracks are below sea level.
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 05:34 AM
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+1 It is quite funny!! I luv the new time sigs there the most retarded fun yet! Oh I ran a XX.XX but w/Moon gravity I ran a xx.xx
Ricker come on man, We discussed this already and thats why both times are posted.... Lets not get side tracked from the thread
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 05:44 AM
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Jay, I understand your no amateur and I mean no disrespect towards you or your car, But bieng that this is the internet and there is alot of douchbags here on the forum, Its only right that when making such fantastic claims they should be backed up with the proper evidence. Should I also believe the kid with the cls claimin 600 horses just from exhaust and a special spit shine on his cylinder head as well.....
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 11:46 AM
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Vic55,

This is the reason why we correct our times.

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=193102

Once you read through the B.S. It makes all tracks on the same playing field.
Nhra does this for all stock and superstock classes. It's called an index. The index is used so racers across the US have a number that is given for there class and takes out factors like Weather , Altitude , Air Density. It's alot for some on this board to swallow . But the NHRA has done it for all of Thirty some years. But what do they know.

Robert
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Thanks Robert it does put things into perspective doesnt it.
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SAMSSONZ
Jay, I understand your no amateur and I mean no disrespect towards you or your car, But bieng that this is the internet and there is alot of douchbags here on the forum, Its only right that when making such fantastic claims they should be backed up with the proper evidence. Should I also believe the kid with the cls claimin 600 horses just from exhaust and a special spit shine on his cylinder head as well.....
This is how you "disrespected" me, by putting me in the same class as the so called douchebags. My claims are not that fantastic, if you took the time to use the search and compare function of dragtimes you will see evidence of such. If you took the time to search MBWorld for my other posts you will see that I am one of the original members (yes vic i know u were bfore me ) and I have literally stacks upon stacks of timeslips. But no you decided to fire off at the mouth and claim that my records are false. Did you see anyone back you up, did you see anyone jump on your bandwagon? No. The reason for that is because alot of the members here know me, and the last 2 track outings have been private track events held by two MBWorld members where I set records at each outing. Maybe you can see why I shrug you off and dont feel a need to prove anything to you, nor anyone for that matter. I run for shear fun, and yes I have a little competitive streak in me. ET's mean nothing to me as its a factor of many variables, I like MPH, and a high one at that as its the best representation of your HP and how the car runs in the "real world" The track is not the real world, its a test bed for knowing what your car is capable of, so that when X car rolls up next to you on the street you will know what you can handle. Half of the cars that you guys claim "beating" will hand you your *** and then some on the street. OK im done for the day....OH heres my "photoshoped/fake" timeslips from last night, temps killed me as evident in the MPH, i got kicked off of the track after the last run. Track prep was amazing for this track, look at the 60 on the last run Maybe if i "correct" it I ran a 10
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 02:42 PM
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%^&*&%$, you said that your beloved E63 engine was the :


I said it was not the WORLDS largest displacement engine. It may have the most power in a NA V8 but the AMG 63 is not the largest displacement engine. Do you know the definition of displacement? I assume not because you use it incorrectly and then back-up your ignorance in a quote from AMG that states, Yes, AMG is correct. The 63 engine it is the most powerful naturally aspirated production V8 but it does NOT have the largest displacement engine as you said.

Displacement refers to the SIZE of the engine and not the output. The number of liters an engine has is its displacement. The 2007 Z06 engine has a displacement of 7.0L but an E63 has a displacement of 6.2L. What engine has the largest displacement of those two engines? The Z06 has the largest displacement V8 engine when you compare the two.

HP refers to the power an engine makes and it's a derivived from a formula that converts torque and RPM into a number. RPM * torque/5252 = that number.......it's called horsepower and not displacement. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE NOW?

Now let's talk about drag racing. One car runs a 1/4 mile in 12.4 @ 115 mph. The other runs the 1/4 mile in 12.6 @111. Which car is quicker and what car is faster? The car that ran the 12.4 @ 115 is quicker and faster than the one that runs a 111 mph and a 12.6 ET. UNDERSTAND? The quicker/faster car may not always be the one that crossed the finish line first, see reaction times.

If the cars were running the same race and the driver with the slower trap speed and ET beat the car with the faster ET and trap speed, it would mean that the other guy was asleep at the light. Yes, the slower car may have won the race but it does not mean he has the quicker/faster car; rather, it means he was the better driver with a better reaction time. Understand?
Yes the E63 is faster than the cls 63! the extra 200 lbs hurts. Your points are correct
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 03:14 PM
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Your the best JAY no question. You have the fastest MB on the planet. This in no way allows you to mock our corrections when they are also part of the sport you calim to participate. Your TT gets a far less correction so it likely changes your times much less dramitically. The reason is as clear as the difference between salt and pepper, while both spices they clearly are different. Your car uses Forced Induction, my car is N/A and effected by DA by a much higher factor. My 1.69 60 ft time was not corrected and still is faster than most if not all un modded 55 and 600 and any other MB you wanna throw at me. It shows great potential if I can squeeze more out of the top end. The fastest 55 times were run at NEGATIVE DA! So to use those runs to suggest the 55 is quicker faster than the 63 is assinine. Until a 63 runs under similar condition the corrections will continue. The times after adjusted up are still faster than the fastest 63 run but there are 100x more 55 runs than 63 runs so the sample size is too low to really make a blanket statement. If the 63 fails to match Enzom or Housclas I will be the first to say the 55 is a faster 1/4 mile car. Can you at least give us a few months in our cars?
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by E55JAY
This is how you "disrespected" me, by putting me in the same class as the so called douchebags. My claims are not that fantastic, if you took the time to use the search and compare function of dragtimes you will see evidence of such. If you took the time to search MBWorld for my other posts you will see that I am one of the original members (yes vic i know u were bfore me ) and I have literally stacks upon stacks of timeslips. But no you decided to fire off at the mouth and claim that my records are false. Did you see anyone back you up, did you see anyone jump on your bandwagon? No. The reason for that is because alot of the members here know me, and the last 2 track outings have been private track events held by two MBWorld members where I set records at each outing. Maybe you can see why I shrug you off and dont feel a need to prove anything to you, nor anyone for that matter. I run for shear fun, and yes I have a little competitive streak in me. ET's mean nothing to me as its a factor of many variables, I like MPH, and a high one at that as its the best representation of your HP and how the car runs in the "real world" The track is not the real world, its a test bed for knowing what your car is capable of, so that when X car rolls up next to you on the street you will know what you can handle. Half of the cars that you guys claim "beating" will hand you your *** and then some on the street. OK im done for the day....OH heres my "photoshoped/fake" timeslips from last night, temps killed me as evident in the MPH, i got kicked off of the track after the last run. Track prep was amazing for this track, look at the 60 on the last run Maybe if i "correct" it I ran a 10

Great runs JAY!!! I am gonna do the correction for your high temps.
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 03:29 PM
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Your slips have some errors.
It was never 110 degrees on June 8th.

The temp was 89

Here is your middle slip

The closest weather results for 06/08/2007 at 07:15 pm

Time recorded 7:09 PM
Temperature °F 84.2
Dew Point °F 80.6
Altimeter Setting 29.88 in Mercury
Density Altitude: 2425.8 feet
Track Elelvation: 250 feet

UnCorrected ET:
11.45 (sec) @ 121.17 (MPH)


Corrected ET to Sea Level:
11.123 (sec) @ 124.813 (MPH)

Because your car is TT you would need to do one more calc.
We must now take a .50 factor to the DA to take out the forced induction benefit of your car.

But you are correct the DA was bad 2400 feet. yikes.
Ours is usually above 5000 so not bad but likely terrible for this track. You had some incredible runs.

11.27@123 would be your corrected time for the middle slip. This would take the high temp away and bad air and also account for your TT
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by juicee63
Great runs JAY!!! I am gonna do the correction for your high temps.
As far as your street race prediction you are completely insane. Sam has never lost a street race , it is first of all unsafe, and secondly it is not organized with rules. The fact that I am beating faster cars on the track is very satisfying to me. Would you rather me post video of my 4 second beatings of jetta's? Why you hate the 63 , I really dont care but you make an A** out of yourself with the street race bravado. One car beat me by a little and it was a TT 550 ho Porsche. I choose the track where there are rules and it is organized. When a 600 kills me I will post it , you wont change the way I approach drag racing. A win is a win, I am not testing my car as much as my own ability to drive my car well. That matters more to me than what my latest mod did. Last night a mustang squeezed on me He lost by half a track yet trapped at 120 mph at LACR. My Et was a half second faster his trap was 15 mph faster. I won the race , my car was faster in the 1/4 mile . According to you he won because his car obviously would whoop my *** on the street, ..LOL so dumb, yeah that is DUMB
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by juicee63
As far as your street race prediction you are completely insane. Sam has never lost a street race
can you elaborate on this, just curious

at one point i was with you, now u have completely lost it, whats was once funny is now sad, truly. Correcting my time slip, man have you lost it, i have never nor would ever correct a timeslip, nor do I need your google educated tirade to me on DA. I never claimed my benz was the fastest at anything except that claim in my sig, so be careful putting words into my mouth. The only one making an as* out of themselves is you, ever ask yourself why countless people think you are nuts about this keep it up
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 05:02 PM
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can you elaborate on this, just curious

at one point i was with you, now u have completely lost it, whats was once funny is now sad, truly. Correcting my time slip, man have you lost it, i have never nor would ever correct a timeslip, nor do I need your google educated tirade to me on DA. I never claimed my benz was the fastest at anything except that claim in my sig, so be careful putting words into my mouth. The only one making an as* out of themselves is you, ever ask yourself why countless people think you are nuts about this keep it up


You obviously are not as serious about this as you claim. If I spent money on mods in order to be as accurate as possible I would take weather out of the equation everytime. Too lazy to do the computations? It simply provides critical information to see how your car performs under SAE conditions. I dont have to be careful the posts speak for themselves, plenty of people I have helped and plenty have helped me including yourself . Let go of the EGO man, you are a skilled driver and have an incredible machine. Just because you have been doing it longer does not mean you know everything. Thanks for all your help , although I do not share your opinions and have my own free will I still respect yours. Dont make fun of me or the approach of millions of drag racers, everyone I know and yes they have 20 plus years MORE EXPERIENCE than you plus they are NICE. Uses SAE corrections. 100% of the drivers carry devices that do the correction right at the track. Many of the cars can adjust the way they deliver fuel and air to the engine based on the calcs. They are absolutely CRITICAL .Just because you do not do it doesnt make the people that do idiots!
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 05:11 PM
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You obviously are not as serious about this as you claim. If I spent money on mods in order to be as accurate as possible I would take weather out of the equation everytime. Too lazy to do the computations? It simply provides critical information to see how your car performs under SAE conditions. I dont have to be careful the posts speak for themselves, plenty of people I have helped and plenty have helped me including yourself . Let go of the EGO man, you are a skilled driver and have an incredible machine. Just because you have been doing it longer does not mean you know everything. Thanks for all your help , although I do not share your opinions and have my own free will I still respect yours. Dont make fun of me or the approach of millions of drag racers, everyone I know and yes they have 20 plus years MORE EXPERIENCE than you plus they are NICE. Uses SAE corrections. 100% of the drivers carry devices that do the correction right at the track. Many of the cars can adjust the way they deliver fuel and air to the engine based on the calcs. They are absolutely CRITICAL .Just because you do not do it doesnt make the people that do idiots!
oyvey Josh, too much to comment on, I will say the last thing Iam is "mean", no one on this board can come here and tell me im mean, I approached you to help you with some simple tips, why, because im "not nice" I give amazing amounts of my time and effort to my passion and I give alot back.
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 05:14 PM
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You obviously are not as serious about this as you claim. If I spent money on mods in order to be as accurate as possible I would take weather out of the equation everytime. Too lazy to do the computations?
and I have an EGO Who are u to tell me what I am and am not serious about, you throw me for a loop sometimes with these comment and you expect me not to react to you? Grow up!
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 05:32 PM
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oyvey Josh, too much to comment on, I will say the last thing Iam is "mean", no one on this board can come here and tell me im mean, I approached you to help you with some simple tips, why, because im "not nice" I give amazing amounts of my time and effort to my passion and I give alot back.

I know you do! Ok Jay I sincerely apologize to you, I really appreciate and I am not being an *** or sarcastic. I am just confused as to why you think making the corrections is silly? I never intended to call you out nor to blasphamy your posts, experience. I am sorry for what has transpired here. I am being egotistical as well, and I am dropping this forever. I love my car and you can hate it thats completely fine! I do appreciate all your help and hope we can move forward.
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 05:45 PM
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I know you do! Ok Jay I sincerely apologize to you, I really appreciate and I am not being an *** or sarcastic. I am just confused as to why you think making the corrections is silly? I never intended to call you out nor to blasphamy your posts, experience. I am sorry for what has transpired here. I am being egotistical as well, and I am dropping this forever. I love my car and you can hate it thats completely fine! I do appreciate all your help and hope we can move forward.
If i was mean id say f you, then id move on...but thats not me. I apologize as well, and you have taken my comments too close to heart. I do not hate the 63 in any way, I truly love an respect all AMG's, especially the owners who wring them out as much as you do, hence my original olive branch by PM. I do respect you, and your correction factors for timeslips. I am glad you are taking it to the n'th degree, but in my humble opinion you take it a bit to far at times and this may "cloud" you to other things that are going on. You and I use the track for different purposes, and thats fine, we can agree to disagree. Id like to move on from this as well.
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by E55JAY
If i was mean id say f you, then id move on...but thats not me. I apologize as well, and you have taken my comments too close to heart. I do not hate the 63 in any way, I truly love an respect all AMG's, especially the owners who wring them out as much as you do, hence my original olive branch by PM. I do respect you, and your correction factors for timeslips. I am glad you are taking it to the n'th degree, but in my humble opinion you take it a bit to far at times and this may "cloud" you to other things that are going on. You and I use the track for different purposes, and thats fine, we can agree to disagree. Id like to move on from this as well.

Remeber that beer commercial "I love ya man"

You just made me tear up ****
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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Remeber that beer commercial "I love ya man"

You just made me tear up ****
I knew you and Sam were a little "too close" Im teasing....Ill be out there soon to play with you guys at the dragstrip, drinks on me.
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by E55JAY
I knew you and Sam were a little "too close" Im teasing....Ill be out there soon to play with you guys at the dragstrip, drinks on me.

Sam feels like sh** as well. I would love to meet you and the California crew will take care of you man. Jay once again , you are showing alot of class here and it sadly MAKES my day! Will you be bringing the beast out or driving some of the EuroElite cars? We are going to rent a track this fall and hopefully all the fastests beasts will be avail.

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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 06:22 PM
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Sam feels like sh** as well. I would love to meet you and the California crew will take care of you man. Jay once again , you are showing alot of class here and it sadly MAKES my day! Will you be bringing the beast out or driving some of the EuroElite cars? We are going to rent a track this fall and hopefully all the fastests beasts will be avail.

Peace,
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I look forward to it. It would be alot of time and hassle to bring my car, now that would be an egotistical move, although fun!! I will probably come without my car but it is an option.
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 06:23 PM
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Juice! what makes you & all these CORRECTED SLIPS a joke are ---- From the umpteen Mercedes, Corvette, Viper, Porsche, Ferarri, Audi, Mustang, ect..Sites I have been to or frequented over the YEARS, NONE of them cling so dearly to a formula for FALSE bragging rights as you and your cronies do here.

It's Never once have I seen ANYONE list it on there sig, as if you really ran that time & trap!

It makes total sense w/your explanation to compare it to the East Coast tracks, but this should be kept for your own private personal records, not bragging rights. To display it, & CLAIM it, as you & others copying you here do is out & out LAME, there are far to many variables to align for those calculations to come to fruition, & you know it! But you are so desperate to show your 63 is in the same league as the 55k's (especially E55k) You found this little loophole & it's getting really OLD

Drop it guy, the 63 doesn't have forced induction, none of us in the know expect it to perform as good or better than the Kompressor or Bi-Turbo Models ok..Maybe EVEN against the CLS55 but I believe that is due to Mercedes De-tuning that model, as they previously tried to do to the E55k's

& for you to start bragging on about your incredible 60' perf is another fallacy, try using the stock tires or brand your car came with & see if you can replicate your sub 1.70 60' The E55k's you keep comparing your 63 to had STOCK CONTI's ON! Not high perf Michelin Cups etc..

Lastly for you to claim victory over other cars that run a higher trap and lower ET than you because you passed the finish line 1st? Makes ZERO sense at all, you've plum lost it!

Oh well continue in Dreamland...
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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Juice! what makes you & all these CORRECTED SLIPS a joke are ---- From the umpteen Mercedes, Corvette, Viper, Porsche, Ferarri, Audi, Mustang, ect..Sites I have been to or frequented over the YEARS, NONE of them cling so dearly to a formula for FALSE bragging rights as you and your cronies do here.

It's Never once have I seen ANYONE list it on there sig, as if you really ran that time & trap!

It makes total sense w/your explanation to compare it to the East Coast tracks, but this should be kept for your own private personal records, not bragging rights. To display it, & CLAIM it, as you & others copying you here do is out & out LAME, there are far to many variables to align for those calculations to come to fruition, & you know it! But you are so desperate to show your 63 is in the same league as the 55k's (especially E55k) You found this little loophole & it's getting really OLD

Drop it guy, the 63 doesn't have forced induction, none of us in the know expect it to perform as good or better than the Kompressor or Bi-Turbo Models ok..Maybe EVEN against the CLS55 but I believe that is due to Mercedes De-tuning that model, as they previously tried to do to the E55k's

& for you to start bragging on about your incredible 60' perf is another fallacy, try using the stock tires or brand your car came with & see if you can replicate your sub 1.70 60' The E55k's you keep comparing your 63 to had STOCK CONTI's ON! Not high perf Michelin Cups etc..

Lastly for you to claim victory over other cars that run a higher trap and lower ET than you because you passed the finish line 1st? Makes ZERO sense at all, you've plum lost it!

Oh well continue in Dreamland...
this thread is done, its beaten to death lets move on please?

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