CL65 Evotech ECU/TCU upgrade experience
02-01-2008, 03:44 PM
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You were racing from around 40mph roll, correct? If so, you should definitely try leaving the traction control "off" and manually down shifting before starting the race. You might want to think about changing the tires to more sticky R-compound tires if traction is such a huge problem...
02-01-2008, 03:52 PM
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You were racing from around 40mph roll, correct? If so, you should definitely try leaving the traction control "off" and manually down shifting before starting the race. You might want to think about changing the tires to more sticky R-compound tires if traction is such a huge problem...
Downshifting is critical..leaving in d/s you would lose to many cars as the lag , this is likely why in the vid the M6 jumps you. You need to erase that initial jump and get a lead on him and keep it. I agree with Addicted, dyno mode would be best but at the very least t/c off, seems the 65 has real probs keeping a contact path? Modulate rather than stomp the throttle, and you should stay in front of the M6 all the way to 140, then gearing likely kills the 65
02-01-2008, 03:54 PM
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You were racing from around 40mph roll, correct? If so, you should definitely try leaving the traction control "off" and manually down shifting before starting the race. You might want to think about changing the tires to more sticky R-compound tires if traction is such a huge problem...
02-01-2008, 04:04 PM
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It would not be worth running the Stock CLS apples and oranges in terms of power. Just make sure you have 1/4 tank of Gas and also try to run above 50MPH. Let's see the outcome if the M6 is putting out 476RWHP to your 560RWHP..i'd say you got the advantage, of course we are not counting the taller gearing of the M6...but thats another story.
02-01-2008, 04:24 PM
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Idk about the heatsoak on the m6 but to whoever posted they think a stock c6 will beat it from a roll...LOL the m6 wasnt even in his powerband at 15mph. The vert is like 400lbs heavier with a worse cd so your comparision really doesnt count. Also the v10 M's just plain arent good from a dig because they are a pain in the *** to launch well, so a c6 from a dig will be very competitive.
I'll happily run any M6 from this board...The 2008 6.2 liter has bet 380-400 rwhp stock (auto 380-385rwhp)There's vid on this board of CL65 AMG - vs. - C6 Z06 the modded 65 took the Z06, unless the M6 has 3.91 gearing (this 1 apparently doesn't
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02-01-2008, 04:32 PM
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Downshifting is critical..leaving in d/s you would lose to many cars as the lag , this is likely why in the vid the M6 jumps you. You need to erase that initial jump and get a lead on him and keep it. I agree with Addicted, dyno mode would be best but at the very least t/c off, seems the 65 has real probs keeping a contact path? Modulate rather than stomp the throttle, and you should stay in front of the M6 all the way to 140, then gearing likely kills the 65
X100. Now that I'm looking at the video again, its clear that M6 gets a start on you while your car is busy down shifting. At 40mph, I believe you should be in 2nd gear (correct me if I'm wrong here, I have a 7-speed SLK55 and it would be 2nd gear for me). I also think that at 40mph roll, you will have no problem leaving the car in dyno mode and modulating the throttle to prevent unnecessary wheelspin...
02-01-2008, 05:13 PM
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X100. Now that I'm looking at the video again, its clear that M6 gets a start on you while your car is busy down shifting. At 40mph, I believe you should be in 2nd gear (correct me if I'm wrong here, I have a 7-speed SLK55 and it would be 2nd gear for me). I also think that at 40mph roll, you will have no problem leaving the car in dyno mode and modulating the throttle to prevent unnecessary wheelspin...
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02-01-2008, 05:19 PM
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The guy has a very strong m6. Im sure many people remember the c6 z06 vs modded m6 video where the m6 won. The m6 in that video had many more mods but only 15-20 more whp if I remember correctly.
Thericker...I also wouldnt have any prob running a c6 although unless modded the c6 z06 would be a better race for me with my mods. Idk how far you are from the op but maybe if you guys end up not too far you could join in on the rematch and get a run in.
Thericker...I also wouldnt have any prob running a c6 although unless modded the c6 z06 would be a better race for me with my mods. Idk how far you are from the op but maybe if you guys end up not too far you could join in on the rematch and get a run in.
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02-01-2008, 05:23 PM
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I'd be surprised if you run any stronger until you upgrade your intercooler pump. I've raced with that much fuel (CL55) and ET and MPH were nearly identical to when it was above 1/4 tank. The difference I did notice was that the car was nearly 1/2 second and 4 mph faster when cooled off. I had a stock IC pump at the time.
02-01-2008, 05:24 PM
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The guy has a very strong m6. Im sure many people remember the c6 z06 vs modded m6 video where the m6 won decisively. The m6 in that video had many more mods but only 15-20 more whp if I remember correctly.
Thericker...I also wouldnt have any prob running a c6 although unless modded the c6 z06 would be a better race for me. Idk how far you are from the op but maybe if you guys end up not too far you could join in on the rematch and get a run in.
Thericker...I also wouldnt have any prob running a c6 although unless modded the c6 z06 would be a better race for me. Idk how far you are from the op but maybe if you guys end up not too far you could join in on the rematch and get a run in.
yes that M6 had about $25k+ in mods inluding 3.91 gearing..
02-01-2008, 05:35 PM
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that's a disturbing video, I've been thinking about a CL65 but just can't believe that the M6 modded or not, would stand a chance against the CL65 with tuned ecu/tcu...
I don't think more gas is going to do anything, you need to get the car on a dyno, something has to be off with the tune or something else.... probably a bad intercooler pump..... you start pulling hard, then start to drop, i bet it's holding boost back due high IAT's....
that vette which traps 116 MPH hung on tight to the M6..... you should be pulling 125MPH+ which would smoke them.....
what does evotech charge for their ecu/tcu tuning?
I don't think more gas is going to do anything, you need to get the car on a dyno, something has to be off with the tune or something else.... probably a bad intercooler pump..... you start pulling hard, then start to drop, i bet it's holding boost back due high IAT's....
that vette which traps 116 MPH hung on tight to the M6..... you should be pulling 125MPH+ which would smoke them.....
what does evotech charge for their ecu/tcu tuning?
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02-01-2008, 05:47 PM
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that's a disturbing video, I've been thinking about a CL65 but just can't believe that the M6 modded or not, would stand a chance against the CL65 with tuned ecu/tcu...
I don't think more gas is going to do anything, you need to get the car on a dyno, something has to be off with the tune or something else.... probably a bad intercooler pump..... you start pulling hard, then start to drop, i bet it's holding boost back due high IAT's....
that vette which traps 116 MPH hung on tight to the M6..... you should be pulling 125MPH+ which would smoke them.....
what does evotech charge for their ecu/tcu tuning?
I don't think more gas is going to do anything, you need to get the car on a dyno, something has to be off with the tune or something else.... probably a bad intercooler pump..... you start pulling hard, then start to drop, i bet it's holding boost back due high IAT's....
that vette which traps 116 MPH hung on tight to the M6..... you should be pulling 125MPH+ which would smoke them.....
what does evotech charge for their ecu/tcu tuning?
02-01-2008, 06:02 PM
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Dyno Mode in a 5,000 lb sled is probably not a good idea. God forbid you need to stab the brakes or steer around something at 120 mph with no ABS or stability control.
02-01-2008, 07:05 PM
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gripforce ,
would you mind doing a 50 roll as well as the 40? 50 will put the m6 in its best spot from 2nd about 6k rpms. With the m5/m6 being out of your powerband no fun at all. Anyway cant wait to see the results. sl65 was other car I was considering when I got the m6 but I just enjoyed being in the m6 more.
would you mind doing a 50 roll as well as the 40? 50 will put the m6 in its best spot from 2nd about 6k rpms. With the m5/m6 being out of your powerband no fun at all. Anyway cant wait to see the results. sl65 was other car I was considering when I got the m6 but I just enjoyed being in the m6 more.
02-01-2008, 07:34 PM
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gripforce ,
would you mind doing a 50 roll as well as the 40? 50 will put the m6 in its best spot from 2nd about 6k rpms. With the m5/m6 being out of your powerband no fun at all. Anyway cant wait to see the results. sl65 was other car I was considering when I got the m6 but I just enjoyed being in the m6 more.
would you mind doing a 50 roll as well as the 40? 50 will put the m6 in its best spot from 2nd about 6k rpms. With the m5/m6 being out of your powerband no fun at all. Anyway cant wait to see the results. sl65 was other car I was considering when I got the m6 but I just enjoyed being in the m6 more.
02-01-2008, 11:19 PM
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i agree leave tractin on, some people do not understand the power and TQ these cars have. he wil be spining to no end if he has stock tires.
What you neeed to do is down shift with ur pedel shifters in S mode. That way your up shifts will automaticly happen with out the need to use the shifters.
Also do not stomp on the gass as u will just trip traction control.
if this fails ( after having some practice few tries)
then
get a dyno asap
check your pump( possibly data log)
What you neeed to do is down shift with ur pedel shifters in S mode. That way your up shifts will automaticly happen with out the need to use the shifters.
Also do not stomp on the gass as u will just trip traction control.
if this fails ( after having some practice few tries)
then
get a dyno asap
check your pump( possibly data log)
02-02-2008, 02:58 PM
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Whoever told you this lied. And another note, get your car dynoed because that M6 should not be hanging with you in a race from a roll.
02-02-2008, 03:10 PM
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Sup Jay!! Man we have to talk buddy, I got your number here in my cell, just pretty busy man. I have said the same thing you mentioned above. I think we all have.
02-02-2008, 03:20 PM
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02-02-2008, 08:02 PM
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My stock 65 absolutely destroys M5/M6's. I can't believe the M6 actually pulled on a 65 after 120. My car feels like its just getting started at 120. I've raced my friends stock M6 and it's not even close after 40 MPH. I find it hard to believe even a heavily modified normally aspirated engine in the M6 can even hang with a ECU tuned 65. You should have dyno'd your car prior to the upgrade.
By the way, put your car in M mode, downshift to lowest gear it will allow you to and just punch it. The car will shift at redline by itself. To me the M mode feels like it shifts the fastest. Our cars definitely need a cooling upgrade. Wish I knew which one is best.
By the way, put your car in M mode, downshift to lowest gear it will allow you to and just punch it. The car will shift at redline by itself. To me the M mode feels like it shifts the fastest. Our cars definitely need a cooling upgrade. Wish I knew which one is best.
02-02-2008, 11:20 PM
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My stock 65 absolutely destroys M5/M6's. I can't believe the M6 actually pulled on a 65 after 120. My car feels like its just getting started at 120. I've raced my friends stock M6 and it's not even close after 40 MPH. I find it hard to believe even a heavily modified normally aspirated engine in the M6 can even hang with a ECU tuned 65. You should have dyno'd your car prior to the upgrade.
By the way, put your car in M mode, downshift to lowest gear it will allow you to and just punch it. The car will shift at redline by itself. To me the M mode feels like it shifts the fastest. Our cars definitely need a cooling upgrade. Wish I knew which one is best.
By the way, put your car in M mode, downshift to lowest gear it will allow you to and just punch it. The car will shift at redline by itself. To me the M mode feels like it shifts the fastest. Our cars definitely need a cooling upgrade. Wish I knew which one is best.
