Lowering the CL55
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Lowering the CL55
Has anyone lowered their CL, electronically or otherwise? I read somewhere that European specs on the CL55 has the car sitting lower.
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This is true. In Europe the CL is a tad lower. There are a few manuf. that make lowering devices. Some mechanical and some electronic. If you do a search on the forum you will find various messages about them. The electronic modules are pretty expensive however offer the most adjustability. The mechanical options are pretty inexpensive however don't offer as much. pros and cons of both.
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Originally posted by awiner
The part runs approx $2000.00 uninstalled.
The part runs approx $2000.00 uninstalled.
Thats actually not as bad as I thought it would be. I'm guessing installation would be very costly. Which companies do this? And has anyone on the board actually done it? I wonder if there are any cons besides the price. I would be interested in doing this just because I have realized that changing the rims to 20's will compromise the ride much more than "choosing" when to compromise the ride a little bit when electronically lowering the car.
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I just talked to Kleeman (Colorado) and was told that their ABC Interruptor Module costs 2079.00. It lowers the car initially 1 inch and according to the installer can lower the car another 15 millimeters. So overall, its a 1 1/2 inch drop. Installation should cost somewhere around 150.00. Is a 1 1/2 inch drop worth that?
Also was told that the supercharger upgrade will be available by the end of March.
Also was told that the supercharger upgrade will be available by the end of March.
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1 1/2" may be a bit much, but I do know that lowering the car will improve the handling. I live in the mountains with all sorts of twisty and curvy roads... So I would greatly benefit from this. My concerns are: Does this Module interfere with the cars inboard systems, such as the ABC and the car's Leveling system.
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Originally posted by BLKCL55
1 1/2" may be a bit much, but I do know that lowering the car will improve the handling. I live in the mountains with all sorts of twisty and curvy roads... So I would greatly benefit from this. My concerns are: Does this Module interfere with the cars inboard systems, such as the ABC and the car's Leveling system.
1 1/2" may be a bit much, but I do know that lowering the car will improve the handling. I live in the mountains with all sorts of twisty and curvy roads... So I would greatly benefit from this. My concerns are: Does this Module interfere with the cars inboard systems, such as the ABC and the car's Leveling system.
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Originally posted by awiner
No... Everything will still work as OEM, however at the lowest ABC setting, the vehicle will be 1 to 1.5 inchesd lower due to the Kleemann module.
No... Everything will still work as OEM, however at the lowest ABC setting, the vehicle will be 1 to 1.5 inchesd lower due to the Kleemann module.
I wish I could see the car lowered that level. I think it would look really nice aesthetically speaking.
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Lowering airmatic/abc cars has been discussed before on the S class boards.
The consensus is that the kleemann & lorinser lowering modules are UNPROVEN and EXPENSIVE. I have YET to meet any objective person that has lowered their car with those methods.
RBTech and The Wheel Supply lowering method offers the most flexibility. I lowered my S class by 1.5" in the front and 1" in the rear.
The picture below is another car lowered by TWS; more aggressive
And then you have this guy, lowered also by TWS; this car is dropped to the damn ground.
The cost? $400-500 out to the door for TWS Lowering Kit or the RB Tech method
The consensus is that the kleemann & lorinser lowering modules are UNPROVEN and EXPENSIVE. I have YET to meet any objective person that has lowered their car with those methods.
RBTech and The Wheel Supply lowering method offers the most flexibility. I lowered my S class by 1.5" in the front and 1" in the rear.
The picture below is another car lowered by TWS; more aggressive
And then you have this guy, lowered also by TWS; this car is dropped to the damn ground.
The cost? $400-500 out to the door for TWS Lowering Kit or the RB Tech method
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Originally posted by AndrewEclipse
I just talked to Kleeman (Colorado) and was told that their ABC Interruptor Module costs 2079.00. It lowers the car initially 1 inch and according to the installer can lower the car another 15 millimeters. So overall, its a 1 1/2 inch drop. Installation should cost somewhere around 150.00. Is a 1 1/2 inch drop worth that?
Also was told that the supercharger upgrade will be available by the end of March.
I just talked to Kleeman (Colorado) and was told that their ABC Interruptor Module costs 2079.00. It lowers the car initially 1 inch and according to the installer can lower the car another 15 millimeters. So overall, its a 1 1/2 inch drop. Installation should cost somewhere around 150.00. Is a 1 1/2 inch drop worth that?
Also was told that the supercharger upgrade will be available by the end of March.
Yes, install is about 1.5-2 hours of labor, in which we also explain to you how to adjust the height if you desire. Whenever you're ready for it, let me know!
JL88,
Where did we decide that the Kleemann & Lorinser lowering modules are unproven? We have installed both on cars, and both were lowered as specified. Of the two, I prefer Kleemann. Yes, it is more expensive, but this is because it properly lowers the car by telling the computer what to do, and allows the height to be adjusted without changing parts. The other methods trick the computer into thinking it is riding too high, and thus it adjusts.
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Unproven, as in, unproven to ME.
I have not met anyone in person that has lowered their car via kleemann or lorinser, nor have I met anyone on message boards.
There is no "proper" way to lower airmatic cars heh. Instead of replacing parts, you add an interrupt module. They are BOTH AFTERMARKET.
In the end, its the consumer's opinion: $400 versus $2000 for the same results.
I have not met anyone in person that has lowered their car via kleemann or lorinser, nor have I met anyone on message boards.
There is no "proper" way to lower airmatic cars heh. Instead of replacing parts, you add an interrupt module. They are BOTH AFTERMARKET.
In the end, its the consumer's opinion: $400 versus $2000 for the same results.
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Except neither the results nor the method is the same. Both being aftermarket does not mean they are equal. If you'd like, I will try to remember to invite you to the shop next time we install the Kleemann lowering module, so you can see it firsthand.
Did you make it out to the Kleemann meet a few months ago at the Irvine Spectrum? The new w211 E50K was there with the lowering module (as well as countless other goodies
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My invitation stands, let me know if you'd like to come down.
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Ben
Did you make it out to the Kleemann meet a few months ago at the Irvine Spectrum? The new w211 E50K was there with the lowering module (as well as countless other goodies
).My invitation stands, let me know if you'd like to come down.
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What do you mean the results are NOT the same?
The result is the car is LOWERED, fully adjustable, while MAINTAINING OEM functions. What other results do you need?
You, Evosport, and your R&D team should look into designing your OWN lowering part. You would make more money per part and per installation. Instead, you're somehow convinced that just because it COSTS $2,000, therefore it must be superior.
Even Lorinser doesn't have the ***** to sell their lowering module for more than $1k. And remember, they're the ones selling their supercharger for $20k
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The result is the car is LOWERED, fully adjustable, while MAINTAINING OEM functions. What other results do you need?
You, Evosport, and your R&D team should look into designing your OWN lowering part. You would make more money per part and per installation. Instead, you're somehow convinced that just because it COSTS $2,000, therefore it must be superior.
Even Lorinser doesn't have the ***** to sell their lowering module for more than $1k. And remember, they're the ones selling their supercharger for $20k
/boggle
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Explain how you can adjust the non-Kleemann ones (besides the car's automatic settings) without changing parts. Electronically being able to adjust the height is much easier than going back to a shop to change components.
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C'mon Ben, you and evosport are a good shop, but PLEASE don't talk about competing products unless you have experience:
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...threadid=28691
"Thats what i like about the RB Tech adjustable height it takes about 2 minutes and a screw driver to turn the car from a Lo-Lo to an SUV. "
To adjust the height for the TWS Lowering Kit, all you need to do is add washers.
So, I ask you again, $2000 or $400 for the same effect?
You know, for us NORMAL people, we don't get free shop hours and parts at cost. I work hard for my money and yes, $1600 does mean something. One word: VALUE.
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...threadid=28691
"Thats what i like about the RB Tech adjustable height it takes about 2 minutes and a screw driver to turn the car from a Lo-Lo to an SUV. "
To adjust the height for the TWS Lowering Kit, all you need to do is add washers.
So, I ask you again, $2000 or $400 for the same effect?
You know, for us NORMAL people, we don't get free shop hours and parts at cost. I work hard for my money and yes, $1600 does mean something. One word: VALUE.
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Interesting exchange, but what I want is a software modification to the ABC that does not change the handling characteristics materially, does not void the warranty, lowers the car about an 3/4 of an inch (an inch and a half would be too much for me) and does not cost $2,000. If development costs for the aftermarket companies are too high, compelling them to charge $2000 for the software modification, then their market will be much smaller than if they could sell it for say $500 with some assurance that it will not change the handling characteristics. If that is asking too much, then I will stay with stock ABC. If MB can program the Euro spec version with a lower ride height, why can't aftermarket companies just duplicate MB's mod?
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From what I understood, it doesn't affect the handling in a way that would make it any different from the stock configuration. (Other than it being a little better since its lower)
I was not aware that this voids the warranty?? Is that true?
I was not aware that this voids the warranty?? Is that true?
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I was not aware that this voids the warranty?? Is that true?
I was not aware that this voids the warranty?? Is that true?
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Originally posted by victoryroad
If MB can program the Euro spec version with a lower ride height, why can't aftermarket companies just duplicate MB's mod?
If MB can program the Euro spec version with a lower ride height, why can't aftermarket companies just duplicate MB's mod?
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I've had the Kleemann module for my 2001 CL500 sitting on my desk for months. However, I should have it installed next week sometime and will let you all know how it comes along.
