147HP Gains for your CL63 AMG Biturbo! Velos Designerks @ Vivid Racing
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147HP Gains for your CL63 AMG Biturbo! Velos Designerks @ Vivid Racing
Velos Designwerks Performance Software
All Velos reflashes will receive a 15% discount for a limited time! MSRP is listed below.
**ECU must be shipped to Velos for reflashing**
First 3 customers to order get an additional discount!
CL63 AMG Biturbo(W216)
Through careful remapping of the factory ECU and countless hours of testing, Velos Designwerks is pleased to announce the release of its performance software for the M157 AMG 5.5 Liter Biturbo V8 Engine. Producing an astounding 535 hp and 560 lb-ft off of the assembly line, the Velos Designwerks engineering team has been able to increase this powerplant’s output to 670 hp and 720 lb-ft of torque (SAE Corrected).
The Velos Designwerks CL63 Performance Software involves a remapping of several of the factory’s ECU maps including, but not limited to, the fuel maps, throttle maps, ignition maps, and limiters. With this 25% increase in horsepower and over 28% increase in torque, the AMG 5.5 Liter Engine’s true potential is now unleashed.
While there are and will be other options available on the market, the Velos Designwerks Custom ECU Tune for the W216 AMG 5.5 Liter V8 Biturbo Engine produces real gains throughout the powerband that one can realistically expect to duplicate on their own.
Velos Designwerks offers a stage 1 and a stage 2 version of these tunes.
Performance Figures:
Stage 1:
Peak Horsepower Gain: 103 HP @4300 rpm (83 hp to the wheels)
Peak Torque Gain: 123 lb-ft @4300 rpm (98 lb-ft to the wheels)
MSRP: $1400 15% Discount until July 4th! Order now for $1190!!
Gains taken from a sample of runs done on the same dyno in 90+ degree conditions
Stage 2:
Peak Horsepower Gain: 147 HP @4300 rpm (120 hp to the wheels)
Peak Torque Gain: 186 lb-ft @4300 rpm (154 lb-ft to the wheels)
MSRP: $2600 15% Discount until July 4th! Order now for $2210!!
Last edited by VividRacing; Jul 31, 2012 at 05:50 PM.
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kudos to a great tune!
may want to check your data between stage 1 and stage 2 though...
Stage1: Peak Horsepower Gain: 147 HP @4300 rpm (83 hp to the wheels)
Stage2: Peak Horsepower Gain: 147 HP @4300 rpm (120 hp to the wheels)
may want to check your data between stage 1 and stage 2 though...
Stage1: Peak Horsepower Gain: 147 HP @4300 rpm (83 hp to the wheels)
Stage2: Peak Horsepower Gain: 147 HP @4300 rpm (120 hp to the wheels)
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Thank You!
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Most tail pipe 02 Sensors read a bit lean being that far down stream, plus these newer motors are much more efficient and can go a bit leaner then you would think
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Can someone explain to me what the diffrence is between stage1 and stage 2?
Is stage 2 also an ECU remmaping only or is there modifications to the exhust?
One other thing, the horsepower gains you are comparing are not peak horsepower. why are you recording the gains @ only around 4000RPM?
stage 1 gains: 474-391 ~83 Ok
Stage 2 gains: 489-369~ 120 OK
But the peak horsepower is as follows ( I assume this is a non PP car due to the low baseline of 474whp)
stage 1: 524-476~ 48HP
stage 2: 563-476~ 87HP
SO really the peak HP gain on a stage 1 is 48whp and on a stage 2 is 87WHP
Sorry, but you guys dont have the tunes that other tuners like Renntech or Weistec carry in terms of preformance.
Very smart advertising mid-range horsepower. Most people wont catch it. But people like me will
Seriously 147HP ?
How does 87 RWHP equate to 147HP at the crank? (you did post a claim of 670HP, which is a maximum peak horsepower and not midrange)
Is stage 2 also an ECU remmaping only or is there modifications to the exhust?
One other thing, the horsepower gains you are comparing are not peak horsepower. why are you recording the gains @ only around 4000RPM?
stage 1 gains: 474-391 ~83 Ok
Stage 2 gains: 489-369~ 120 OK
But the peak horsepower is as follows ( I assume this is a non PP car due to the low baseline of 474whp)
stage 1: 524-476~ 48HP
stage 2: 563-476~ 87HP
SO really the peak HP gain on a stage 1 is 48whp and on a stage 2 is 87WHP
Sorry, but you guys dont have the tunes that other tuners like Renntech or Weistec carry in terms of preformance.
Very smart advertising mid-range horsepower. Most people wont catch it. But people like me will
Seriously 147HP ?
How does 87 RWHP equate to 147HP at the crank? (you did post a claim of 670HP, which is a maximum peak horsepower and not midrange)
Last edited by jacob502; Jun 29, 2012 at 12:51 AM.
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Can someone explain to me what the diffrence is between stage1 and stage 2?
Is stage 2 also an ECU remmaping only or is there modifications to the exhust?
One other thing, the horsepower gains you are comparing are not peak horsepower. why are you recording the gains @ only around 4000RPM?
stage 1 gains: 474-391 ~83 Ok
Stage 2 gains: 489-369~ 120 OK
But the peak horsepower is as follows ( I assume this is a non PP car due to the low baseline of 474whp)
stage 1: 524-476~ 48HP
stage 2: 563-476~ 87HP
SO really the peak HP gain on a stage 1 is 48whp and on a stage 2 is 87WHP
Sorry, but you guys dont have the tunes that other tuners like Renntech or Weistec carry in terms of preformance.
Very smart advertising mid-range horsepower. Most people wont catch it. But people like me will
Seriously 147HP ?
How does 87 RWHP equate to 147HP at the crank? (you did post a claim of 670HP, which is a maximum peak horsepower and not midrange)
Is stage 2 also an ECU remmaping only or is there modifications to the exhust?
One other thing, the horsepower gains you are comparing are not peak horsepower. why are you recording the gains @ only around 4000RPM?
stage 1 gains: 474-391 ~83 Ok
Stage 2 gains: 489-369~ 120 OK
But the peak horsepower is as follows ( I assume this is a non PP car due to the low baseline of 474whp)
stage 1: 524-476~ 48HP
stage 2: 563-476~ 87HP
SO really the peak HP gain on a stage 1 is 48whp and on a stage 2 is 87WHP
Sorry, but you guys dont have the tunes that other tuners like Renntech or Weistec carry in terms of preformance.
Very smart advertising mid-range horsepower. Most people wont catch it. But people like me will
Seriously 147HP ?
How does 87 RWHP equate to 147HP at the crank? (you did post a claim of 670HP, which is a maximum peak horsepower and not midrange)
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All dyno's are going to read different numbers, that is why it is important to look at the gains made and not the peak power. I'll get with Velos about the specifics on the numbers.
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Can someone explain to me what the diffrence is between stage1 and stage 2?
Is stage 2 also an ECU remmaping only or is there modifications to the exhust?
One other thing, the horsepower gains you are comparing are not peak horsepower. why are you recording the gains @ only around 4000RPM?
stage 1 gains: 474-391 ~83 Ok
Stage 2 gains: 489-369~ 120 OK
But the peak horsepower is as follows ( I assume this is a non PP car due to the low baseline of 474whp)
stage 1: 524-476~ 48HP
stage 2: 563-476~ 87HP
SO really the peak HP gain on a stage 1 is 48whp and on a stage 2 is 87WHP
Sorry, but you guys dont have the tunes that other tuners like Renntech or Weistec carry in terms of preformance.
Very smart advertising mid-range horsepower. Most people wont catch it. But people like me will
Seriously 147HP ?
How does 87 RWHP equate to 147HP at the crank? (you did post a claim of 670HP, which is a maximum peak horsepower and not midrange)
Is stage 2 also an ECU remmaping only or is there modifications to the exhust?
One other thing, the horsepower gains you are comparing are not peak horsepower. why are you recording the gains @ only around 4000RPM?
stage 1 gains: 474-391 ~83 Ok
Stage 2 gains: 489-369~ 120 OK
But the peak horsepower is as follows ( I assume this is a non PP car due to the low baseline of 474whp)
stage 1: 524-476~ 48HP
stage 2: 563-476~ 87HP
SO really the peak HP gain on a stage 1 is 48whp and on a stage 2 is 87WHP
Sorry, but you guys dont have the tunes that other tuners like Renntech or Weistec carry in terms of preformance.
Very smart advertising mid-range horsepower. Most people wont catch it. But people like me will
Seriously 147HP ?
How does 87 RWHP equate to 147HP at the crank? (you did post a claim of 670HP, which is a maximum peak horsepower and not midrange)
The only difference between level 1 and 2 is software, both runs are from the same car with no other mods.
We advertise the peak gain and by gain we mean difference. The largest difference happens around ~4100 RPM. The difference at ~4100 RPM is 120 which would make 4100 RPM the area with the largest gain.
The dyno records the horsepower and torque at the highest point for that particular run, it does not compare the point that has the largest difference. That area is highlighted by the line in each run.
The 147 BHP is found from adding the estimated drivetrain loss to the largest difference of 120 RWHP at ~4100 RPM.
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Hey Jacob502,
The only difference between level 1 and 2 is software, both runs are from the same car with no other mods.
We advertise the peak gain and by gain we mean difference. The largest difference happens around ~4100 RPM. The difference at ~4100 RPM is 120 which would make 4100 RPM the area with the largest gain.
The dyno records the horsepower and torque at the highest point for that particular run, it does not compare the point that has the largest difference. That area is highlighted by the line in each run.
The 147 BHP is found from adding the estimated drivetrain loss to the largest difference of 120 RWHP at ~4100 RPM.
The only difference between level 1 and 2 is software, both runs are from the same car with no other mods.
We advertise the peak gain and by gain we mean difference. The largest difference happens around ~4100 RPM. The difference at ~4100 RPM is 120 which would make 4100 RPM the area with the largest gain.
The dyno records the horsepower and torque at the highest point for that particular run, it does not compare the point that has the largest difference. That area is highlighted by the line in each run.
The 147 BHP is found from adding the estimated drivetrain loss to the largest difference of 120 RWHP at ~4100 RPM.
But then that makes your 670HP peak at the crank incorret, since it is peak horsepower and not peak gain. You gained 87HP at the wheel at peak, which is nowhere near 670HP peak at the crank!
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A tuned car will achieve a maximum of ~670 BHP which is the peak power made by our stage 2 (peak number recorded by the dyno run). Seen on 'runfile_004' in the original post.
While making a peak figure of ~670 BHP there is a maximum gain of 120 BHP over stock @ 4100 RPM.
We provided the peak power and the peak gain/difference.
In other words our stage 2 will provide a peak of 670 BHP with a maximum gain of 120 BHP @ 4100 RPM over stock.
Feel free to let us know if you have any other questions.
