AZBENZ-CTSV

w215 cl600 and w216 cl600 get same ecu/tcu tune which is faster?

BlownV8

Probably the 215 since it is lighter.

zneB-sedecreM

The better driver makes a world of difference as well

Bromaguire

Better driver? They're both automatics. Unless they have slicks in the rear both will have problems launching.

I've run my CL600 against an SLS and the new SL63. I beat the SL63 but the SLS was neck and neck. I haven't had mine to the track but I'm guessing it'll run mid 11's if I can hook up properly.

I'd guess the W215 would be slightly faster as well due to its weight.

zneB-sedecreM

What a crock.
So what if both cars are automatics? They both have a manual mode, which if used properly, can give you a better track time. That's been proven. The guy who shifts the car better will get the car at a faster speed, at a faster time. Why is that something you can't agree with?
Why doesn't every E55 run the same time then? The driver is a HUGE part of how the car goes, especially if your trying to get the most out of it.
Sure, you can just be the guy that puts it in 'D' and just goes, but there's more efficient ways to get more out of these AMGs than that simple way of thinking.

New SL63? The Biturbo version?

Bromaguire

I'm pretty new to the Benz community so can you show me where theres actual data or proof that by shifting in tiptronic nets faster times?

Were not talking about E55's here so let stick to CL's unless they have the same transmission.

Again these are auto cars, I seriously doubt hitting the little tiptronic buttons are going net any faster than leaving in drive and the W216 is heavier so I'd still say the W215 would be faster.

Yes, I was referring to the bi-turbo SL63.

PS why such a hostile response?

JAYCL600

99% of EVERYTHING you said above is a complete crock of unfounded BS. I don't know how people can just spout off about something they know absolutely nothing about.

zneB-sedecreM

So everyone gets the exact same time in the exact same car? Is that what your saying? It has nothing to do with a driver? If that is a load of BS I must be crazy then.
I apologize if I was hostile btw.

JAYCL600

So everyone gets the exact same time in the exact same car?no Is that what your saying? no It has nothing to do with a driver? this is just one of the variables If that is a load of BS I must be crazy then. i doubt youre crazy, maybe misinformed
I apologize if I was hostile btw. no worries

FYI Manual mode is NOT used to set records, you just put it in D

w215

zneB-sedecreM

It seems like you're bent on just proving me wrong, rather than prove why you are correct. One moment me saying the driver matters is the biggest load of BS, now it's "one of the variables"...
Elaborate if you can, so I can get your point of view. You do have a 600 and I have a 55 so there is a difference in how these cars drive/shift, even though they share the same marque.
BTW, not everyone drives like you sir. When/if lined up against someone in my CL AMG (Stage 3) I will put it in manual mode and use the paddle shifters I have on my custom steering wheel.

Bromaguire

I'm not seeing where you have proved anything you said was correct? I bet its really your custom steering wheel that beats the other cars...

BlownV8

JAYCL600 has extensive first hand knowledge in racing CL's. Arguing with him is not doing anything for your credibility.

zneB-sedecreM

I have carbon fiber paddle shifters on it, makes it weigh less

iAMGod

Just when I thought you had reached the pinnacle of stupid comments....you outdo yourself and take it to a whole new level.

zneB-sedecreM

What do you know? Your car is ugly.

moosejaw

zneB-sedecreM

I guess I'm the only one who puts my car in M Mode? Oh well. I'm so ashamed...
Everyone's talking smack but no one has proved what I said is wrong. It's like a bunch of sheep.
That or must have some fat, lazy people in AMGs

moosejaw

JAYCL600

Im actually not bent on proving much. I've forgotten more knowledge around this topic then you will ever know. I learned not to shift while drag racing my E55, in 2002.
Now I drive an old ML55 thru creeks and fields for fun.

zneB-sedecreM

Okay, well thank you for not providing much. Let's just agree to disagree. No harm. But I still stand with my opinion that a better driver will get a faster time.
I have an 05 ML500 I use as a beater. That thing gets beat up so badly lol But it always comes thru

zneB-sedecreM

This guy, again. At least I know my < from my >

moosejaw

AZBENZ-CTSV

I'm wondering if either would be faster tuned than my E55 in a straight line to 60mph or in the 1/4 mile

It's my daily driver.... about 8k miles per year I'm considering replacing
My mods

Brabus body kit
Pulley
Performance options:

Evosport Stage II pullies
Evosport Shorty Headers
Evosport Wire upgrade
PLM Heat Exchanger
Meziere upgraded Pump
K'N filters for intake
Eurocharged Dyno Tuned to 515 wheel horsepower and 600 Torque
Brabus Exhaust
Removed Secondary Cats and Resonators- Primaries are still there for emissions

zneB-sedecreM

This is cute. I'm European and don't look like white trailer trash Mr. moose. Now you're visualizing me and what I look like in your head too? You want to know everything about me, see my pictures, know about my parents, income, where I attend my schooling, find out what I do, where I work, where I live etc... You are quite occupied with me. Get intimate with a woman or man, whatever floats your boat. I won't judge, I promise.
Damn, obsessed aren't you?! Very creepy the more I think about it.
And yes, I do have an SLR Mclaren shifter. That always on your mind? You just come across as bitter by bringing it up for no apparent reason. WAY cooler than yours, and you know that, as is a CL over an E....are you that mad? Notice how many posts/threads you make but I don't care to reply unless they are about me.
What are you honestly doing? Unlike me, who replied to the OP's question, you evidently have nothing to offer in this thread besides your prepubescent immature little pictures... And since when do I speak like a wigger/stoner now? My sentences are much more articulate than yours....as are my math comprehension skills: https://mbworld.org/forums/5456603-post7.html
And since YOU brought it up, maybe you can learn something from a gentleman much younger than yourself; My shift knob > Your shift knob.
You take care of yourself for now. I have no doubt you'll see my username and keep following and negatively replying to more of my posts.

nidyanazo

Haha sedecre must really be living under a rock. He dosn't understand memes.
He takes them literally. What a goofball.
Here's a reference site for ya: http://knowyourmeme.com/ Now you can decode those funny pictures with words on them


And as for the transmission issue, AMG carefully programed the transmissions shift points, no doubt- according to the engines power and optimized them. Plant your foot to the floor and the car shifts at the best times to go as fast as possible.

True, you may OVERRIDE that pre-determined setting, and shift at a DIFFERENT time, but will that make the car faster? No.

There ARE or course, MANY variables, like: available traction (especially at launch) tire pressure, wear on the car (how old is it? how has it been maintained? etc..) elevation above sea level, pavement conditions, bumps, humidity, gasoline types, air density/temps, humidity.. The list goes on and on.. Isn't this common knowledge?? THATS WHY the same model cars have such varying times, not because of the driver (although launching a car is still up to the driver, unless you drive something with launch control like a GTR. These are not manual sports cars without computers, where the driver makes a HUGE difference. These are sophisticated computer controlled machines with traction management and a million sensors that do alot of the work for you.)

Start modding the cars, and adding different tunes and then that may shift the maximum power making point. Now the stock TCU settings, optimized for a stock car may be off.
Then you may be able to manually shift at a different time, and go faster then if you left it in drive.
Go dyno the modded car, see exactly what RPM it makes peak power and torque, then you can see where to shift. Test the car in "D" and see if the shift point is still optimized, and if not, then you can use your ned data to shift at a better RPM to go faster then the factory setting. Or just shift with "M" mode anyways, because it's fun.