giovane

What do you think? It is based on the 206 platform but replacing both C Coupe and E Coupe.
It will be offered with both 2.0l 4cyl and 3.0l in line six engines

AzurSL

I thought it looked like a CLA at first (from the front) but it’s already grown on me. The GLC coupe taillights kind of make me facepalm as I’m sure their reasoning for it was cost cutting (cheaper to use something off the shelf than to design and produce something unique for the car). It looks good, but I don’t think I’ll ever lust for it. It’s just missing something, that special sauce for me. Not a fan of the B pillar considering E and S class coupes have been pillar-less forever, it’s become a hallmark of the brand IMO. I’m especially surprised that it’s even longer than the old E class coupe, which I think would’ve looked absolutely killer to have no B pillar. There has got to be a reason for it. Cost cutting? Laziness? Structural rigidity? Crash worthiness? I doubt it has anything to do with any regulations. The seats looks awesome, much better than the previous coupe seats they had.

Very very happy to see the I6 in a non AMG especially considering that an I6 is now a luxury in an AMG. If the rumors are true that AMG are developing a TT I6 that will debut in this car as their new flagship motor, then I am very excited, although I take those with a grain of salt.

Zeldaah

I wonder if the C class sedan will receive the same MBUX software changes seen in the coupe as they share the same screen/interior.

giovane

I was wondering exactly the same.
Also I hope they won't install those awful looking bumperettes by the rear license plate for American market models.

js_cls

BTW there's a CLE thread in the C205 C-Class Coupe forum with tons of photos, videos, and information

https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-c...cabriolet.html

818benz

I doubt it as 2022 and 2023 C class models have differences in their MBUX that were not offered as an "update" to the 2022 models.

So far, updates have only been used to address recalls and enable Mercedes Me store functions for you to spend more $$$

I think new C models may have a similar MBUX interface, but will be different enough like the current C and S models (even though the screen layout is the same - a few inches diagonally in the center).

Zeldaah

I brought my car in last December and they updated it with the newer software, it took a few hours. Some of the buttons and icons changed, including the map. It wasn’t OTA update. I have the mini games not I don’t really need them 😂

W205C43PFL

Keep in mind that W206 had MBUX 2.0, while the C236 has MBUX 3.0, the X253 GLC had MBUX 1.0 and never got an update to MBUX 2.0, don't get your hopes up I would say especially it is unclear if there are actual hardware differences (like processors) yes I find it ridiculous phones that are 5? years old are getting software updates while the newest MBs (in the case of the W206) is not able to get the whole new version (and only version increments) due to limitation of hardware.

giovane

That's because car manufacturers should stick with car bodies and engines, not adventure in developing infotainment software.
Volvo understood that and it's moving to google infotainment system, even though it is still a very buggy software at this moment and needs some more time in the oven.
Apple is developing its new CarPlay infotainment system that should connect to the various modules in the car, not just entertainment interface like it is now.

W205C43PFL

Well, I guess MB doesn't agree developing their own MB.OS now. https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...llo-mb-os.html

AzurSL

When BMW announced that android would be handling their iDrive system Ola was very quick to mention that MB prefers to develop their software in house, as by doing so means that they’re the only ones with your data. He said that they don’t plan on selling our personal data the same way BMW with android is doing. To each their own. Not that I trust MB. But there are other car manufacturers I trust less, and for good reason. Cough *VW* cough

W205C43PFL

If you are talking about the diesel gate thought eventually everyone ended up getting caught having a cheating device?

AzurSL

Actually (at least in the US), there was never any proof that MB cheated emissions tests. Instead they were caught using the same system every modern gas car uses which turns off emission controls in situations like very low temperatures. This is a fully legal system on gas cars but apparently a “gray area” on diesels. The US settlement wording is tricky but the official documents don’t mention MB actually admitting to using cheat devices, instead they “violated the clean air act” by shutting down emissions controls in certain situations like any modern gas engine. This was something that was never disclosed by MB and is legally supposed to be disclosed. Unfortunately all the outlets ran with “defeat device” and “emissions cheaters” ala VW in hopes of stirring up emotions. A lawyer about a year or two ago actually cleared up the air on the bluetec settlement thread as people were wondering why buy backs weren’t part of the settlement the same way they were for VW. To this day MBUSA defends their stance and maintains that their vehicles never had defeat devices.

W205C43PFL

I see, they never had the same issue in other countries?

AzurSL

they did but I haven’t looked into it as deeply as I did here. I have a built out sprinter that was affected so I really wanted to take a deep dive to really understand it.

W205C43PFL

What about BMW, any chance you came across them as well?

AzurSL

They had some diesel issues. They tried to claim it was an honest software mistake (their HQ was still raided and they were still fined however without admitting wrongdoing) until MB blew the whistle on a collusion ring between them and VW. VW and BMW were then massively fined and might have been/ are being prosecuted. Not entirely sure on that one. I know that VW is still being tried and prosecuted in many other countries. In France a judge just signed off on the case to go to trial after VW attempted to have it thrown out. In all honesty I hope VW gets everything that’s coming to them. I’m not a tree hugger but they’ve shown multiple times through history that they are a pretty dark company (hell it was Hitlers baby) and the dieselgate scandal is just the icing on the top.

W205C43PFL

Yikes that is quite a bit going on.

AzurSL

Yeah. Either way we’ve taken this thread way off topic lol.

Back to the CLE. The car has grown on me a lot I do really like the way it looks. Wasn’t thrilled with the copy paste GLC coupe rear end but it’s grown on me immensely and I have to say I do love the way it looks. I guess I just needed a week to get used to its looks. I saw a (what I think to be pretty accurate) rendering of the AMG and damn did it look good. I wish I saved the picture.

W205C43PFL

Honestly this is one of the cars (in a long time) from MB that doesn't need to grow on me when it first got revealed, I can't wait to see it in person. The taillights on the W214, still fermenting I mean growing on me.

AzurSL

Yeah agreed about the W214. Just wish this one was pillarless.

W205C43PFL

not a deal breaker but yes I too wish was pillarless, I mean isn't that one of MB's trademark designs but I guess they want to make it closer to the C coupe instead of an E coupe. I am sure cost were big part of the equation as well (if not for regulations).

AzurSL

Yeah and at the end of the day the C coupe massively outsells the E class coupe. I’m sure they didn’t want to alienate those customers.

W205C43PFL

They also want to cut cost, if what they claim is true "C-Class coupe customers want more luxury while E-Class coupe customers wants a sportier vehicle" then it will sell pretty well, but if they charge E-Class coupe price for an essentially C-Class coupe facelift (other than the aforementioned luxuries I get it, the massage, the Nappa seats, etc. , I am not sure... we will see.

AzurSL

That’s true. My guess is a lot of E class touches will find its way into this car. I hope so at least. Would be pretty nice to have this offered with massaging seats and things like that.