HPS Supercharger
01-04-2010, 06:21 PM
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yeah, I wouldn't worry about sucking the gasses back throught he charger- i did for about 7k miles before taking apart my car quite a bit and saw very little evidence of dirty stuff. I am running a catch can now- it's located down low on the drivers side.
I did do HPSs instructions with the front of the motor with those vacuum solonoids
Otherwise, ya- I think you've basically got it. come up from those tees on the back and get vacuum to all the stuff that needs it.
for the fpr though- I'd recommend tapping a copper fitting into the inlet pipe so that you are absolutely sure that no matter what THAT sees boost when the motor is boosting. mine is tapped onto the back of my intercooler in that manner.
here's a very dirty (sort of in progess) picture- I was going to try to snap some of the important stuff for you, but I did too good a job of hiding most of it. Sorry for the random wires, dust and junk. It's middle of winter here.
I did do HPSs instructions with the front of the motor with those vacuum solonoids
Otherwise, ya- I think you've basically got it. come up from those tees on the back and get vacuum to all the stuff that needs it.
for the fpr though- I'd recommend tapping a copper fitting into the inlet pipe so that you are absolutely sure that no matter what THAT sees boost when the motor is boosting. mine is tapped onto the back of my intercooler in that manner.
here's a very dirty (sort of in progess) picture- I was going to try to snap some of the important stuff for you, but I did too good a job of hiding most of it. Sorry for the random wires, dust and junk. It's middle of winter here.
01-04-2010, 06:34 PM
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my setup
This is my setup...
The vent can is not enough, I'm im the process of mounting a vacuum pump and #12 -an line from each cover into a separator can then the pump. I have been running this setup for a year now and my oil dipstick keeps blowing out. I do have a rebuilt motor with a little more umph and compression, but still u need a pump for best results. If you look closely a made proper fitting to attach the smaller hoses to the big hose. Im gonna sell the setup in the picture, lines fittings and can if anyone is interested.
Alex
The vent can is not enough, I'm im the process of mounting a vacuum pump and #12 -an line from each cover into a separator can then the pump. I have been running this setup for a year now and my oil dipstick keeps blowing out. I do have a rebuilt motor with a little more umph and compression, but still u need a pump for best results. If you look closely a made proper fitting to attach the smaller hoses to the big hose. Im gonna sell the setup in the picture, lines fittings and can if anyone is interested.
Alex
01-04-2010, 06:39 PM
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LOL thanks bro... I think your diagram will work well, I was thinking about doing that ,but I want clean air going into the system, u wouldnt believe the mess the EGR makes and that stupid air pump on the front. I removed and blocked off everything, so the only air coming into the motor is from the TB. just check your dipstick often to see if it didnt blow out, due to insufficient vacuum. 
What kind of pump did nitrogen use ? any idea? Im still trying to find a reliable one.
What kind of pump did nitrogen use ? any idea? Im still trying to find a reliable one.
01-04-2010, 07:12 PM
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clean air would be better but i dont want to deal with the smell and mess in the engine compartment from venting to atmosphere, its a mercedes. ill def check the dipstick. i hav no clue what vacuum pump he used
01-04-2010, 08:59 PM
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yea u can definately smell it lol, I was also debataing to get the crankcase evacuation kit by moroso, where the exhaust sucks up the crankcase and out the tailpipes......
01-04-2010, 09:33 PM
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I dont know about anyone else, but I have this problem now because Iam venting the crankcase without any vacuum and it's not enough because the stock system hole in the valve covers are to small and cannot vent fast enough on its own. Also I built my motor and gapped my rings to suit the supercharger, so my ring gaps are bigger then a NA motor, so I have more blow by then stock. I need a vacuum system to suck the crap out and keep the pressure negative under the rings. I dont want to recirculate the blow by back in the motor cause its dirtyyyyyyy. I want clean air only.
01-04-2010, 09:47 PM
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i bought a moroso breather tank crankcase evacuation can PN:85473. but its got a filter on top and thats exactly what i dont want now, o well. If you want it make me an offer i cant refuse, payed 120 for it at an SKspeed by my house. still in packaging,never opened
01-04-2010, 10:19 PM
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I have the exact tank, I modified it so it can mount without hacking the car. I need a seperate tank now and a vacuum pump. Need suction !!!! lol
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01-05-2010, 02:32 PM
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Thanks for jacking my thread ive been workn so hard on!!!!! lol J/K. This def sounds good to me, coupled with lsd should be alot of fun. im going to look more in depth into that. i also want to pick up a set of c43 heads and work them a bit, port/polished manifold, and looking at kleemann headers, but thats a ways down the line. i want to get this thing up n going with the blower first to make sure the motor can handle just that for a while b4 i dump more into it n blow it
. sooooo what you guys think about the ways im thinking of running the lines, and any help with the other questions would be very helpful!!!! Thanks to all
. sooooo what you guys think about the ways im thinking of running the lines, and any help with the other questions would be very helpful!!!! Thanks to allThe C43 and CLK430 head use the same intake and exhaust valves. The C43 uses different cams (left 113 050 41 01 / right 113 050 40 01) and different springs (1130530120).
However, if you’re going to use a blower, cams with less overlap are usually more desirable. Since the cams are going to need work, you’ll probably need new springs to match the cams, and the ports will need work, rather than buying C43 heads, you may want to consider just paying your machine shop to work on your existing CLK heads.
01-05-2010, 03:41 PM
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The C43 and CLK430 head are the same part number. On the C43 head, the roof of the exhaust port appears to have been opened up. The sides and the floor appear to be the same. Porting the sides and the floor (at least by a head man I know) has reduced velocity in the normal rev range of an NA. Adding boost dramatically changes flow, so in that case the porting may be of some use.
The C43 and CLK430 head use the same intake and exhaust valves. The C43 uses different cams (left 113 050 41 01 / right 113 050 40 01) and different springs (1130530120).
However, if you’re going to use a blower, cams with less overlap are usually more desirable. Since the cams are going to need work, you’ll probably need new springs to match the cams, and the ports will need work, rather than buying C43 heads, you may want to consider just paying your machine shop to work on your existing CLK heads.
The C43 and CLK430 head use the same intake and exhaust valves. The C43 uses different cams (left 113 050 41 01 / right 113 050 40 01) and different springs (1130530120).
However, if you’re going to use a blower, cams with less overlap are usually more desirable. Since the cams are going to need work, you’ll probably need new springs to match the cams, and the ports will need work, rather than buying C43 heads, you may want to consider just paying your machine shop to work on your existing CLK heads.
Marcus, we need to talk... Ive been kicking around an idea and would like your input.
01-05-2010, 09:50 PM
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The C43 and CLK430 head are the same part number. On the C43 head, the roof of the exhaust port appears to have been opened up. The sides and the floor appear to be the same. Porting the sides and the floor (at least by a head man I know) has reduced velocity in the normal rev range of an NA. Adding boost dramatically changes flow, so in that case the porting may be of some use.
The C43 and CLK430 head use the same intake and exhaust valves. The C43 uses different cams (left 113 050 41 01 / right 113 050 40 01) and different springs (1130530120).
However, if you’re going to use a blower, cams with less overlap are usually more desirable. Since the cams are going to need work, you’ll probably need new springs to match the cams, and the ports will need work, rather than buying C43 heads, you may want to consider just paying your machine shop to work on your existing CLK heads.
The C43 and CLK430 head use the same intake and exhaust valves. The C43 uses different cams (left 113 050 41 01 / right 113 050 40 01) and different springs (1130530120).
However, if you’re going to use a blower, cams with less overlap are usually more desirable. Since the cams are going to need work, you’ll probably need new springs to match the cams, and the ports will need work, rather than buying C43 heads, you may want to consider just paying your machine shop to work on your existing CLK heads.
01-05-2010, 11:54 PM
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I wouldnt bother with the heads, the gains will be so minor, it wont even make difference unless your going ***** out with everthing else, only difference you will see is your wallet getting real thin!!!! 
01-09-2010, 09:17 AM
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2Precise, the vac pump I used was from GZmotorsports. It's a small unit modified with better internals for prolonged street use. These pumps were also made to run wet pulling a good amount of oil through so they don't burn out as fast. I've heard that the dry pumps are great but anything longer than track runs and they burn out. Check out gzmotorsports, I basically bought 80% of the LS1/LS2 chevy street vac kit. Pulled great vacuum, could barely take off the oil fill cap.
01-09-2010, 10:04 AM
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Thanks Bro.... I was just gonna post a response to ask you...lol... I guess u made a mandrel and mounted the pump on the side?? GM used an electric vacumm pump on the early style impala SS. Mount it anywhere no pulleys. I will look into that , but i like the gz pumps too.
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01-11-2010, 02:26 AM
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y-splitter
OK went out, picked up everything i needed to begin the install. everything is looking straight forward to me at this point but one last thing. the HPS P/N MBE430-054 Vac. to Pressure Compensator y-splitter. is that anything special or just an ordinary y-splitter, in the instructions it specifically tells you to vent the end with the red bands, i dont know if i can just use a regular splitter. heres a pick of it, i didnt recieve this part with the kit.
01-11-2010, 08:49 PM
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silence....... Not sure the years but its the impala SS that have the 5 star rims , only came black and they are the long 4 door. But I dont think they will work as well, I think nitrogen used them with no success. Im working on my pan evac setup currently. So far i got the breather cover fitted with #12 fittings which I made from billet aluminum and have and O ring seal between the cover and fitting and these will go into the pump. The valve covers r made from magnesium so I couldnt weld the fitting on, I kinda like this setup cause I can change it in the future if need be. Im still debating which pump to use and tanks.... more to follow as i progress.
01-11-2010, 08:58 PM
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silv..... That connects to the map sensor and yes that red end vent to astmosphere, because the map sensor cannot see pressure only vacumm or no vacuum. Mine got plugged up and and was throwing my car into limp mode. I used an OE benz one way valve, I'll take a pic of it, works great and it's relaible.
01-22-2010, 12:11 AM
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This is my setup...
The vent can is not enough, I'm im the process of mounting a vacuum pump and #12 -an line from each cover into a separator can then the pump. I have been running this setup for a year now and my oil dipstick keeps blowing out. I do have a rebuilt motor with a little more umph and compression, but still u need a pump for best results. If you look closely a made proper fitting to attach the smaller hoses to the big hose. Im gonna sell the setup in the picture, lines fittings and can if anyone is interested.
Alex
The vent can is not enough, I'm im the process of mounting a vacuum pump and #12 -an line from each cover into a separator can then the pump. I have been running this setup for a year now and my oil dipstick keeps blowing out. I do have a rebuilt motor with a little more umph and compression, but still u need a pump for best results. If you look closely a made proper fitting to attach the smaller hoses to the big hose. Im gonna sell the setup in the picture, lines fittings and can if anyone is interested.
Alex
01-22-2010, 09:36 PM
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Thanks Blackbenzz.... I make everything myself on my car. The intake sit on top of the stock mass. Im gonna be installing a fuel controller that wires into the mass, and i can map my own fuel, once im finished all the other crap im soaking into this car....
seriously though... props to you both on pushing the envelope.
01-24-2010, 01:53 AM
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