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Old Jul 15, 2010 | 12:45 AM
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methanol injection?

Has any one on here done this to there MB? I am looking into doing this and would like to know what others experiences are? any help would be great.
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 10:03 PM
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wow not even 1 reply?
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 10:21 PM
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Has any one on here done this to there MB? I am looking into doing this and would like to know what others experiences are? any help would be great.
When you say methanol injection, which application are you referring to? It's typically used in boosted application to cool the intake charge.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 12:06 AM
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Yes, It can be used to boost a little horse power as well as use lower octane pump gas and still get the benefit of higher octane, The cool part is that this is just windshield fluid.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 12:22 AM
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Yes, It can be used to boost a little horse power as well as use lower octane pump gas and still get the benefit of higher octane, The cool part is that this is just windshield fluid.
Windshield washer fluid??
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 12:26 AM
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Are you talking about (WMIS) Water Methanol Injection Systems??? or regular MIS?

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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 12:32 AM
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i think the water injection kit is to produce more power without having to get race gas & teh methanol injection kit allows you to tune your engine with about the same settings as 100 octane race gas...

i could be wrong but im pretty positive...
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 12:38 AM
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Windshield washer fluid??
i think he got it backward Mel...
he prob meant to says that he can put the methanol in the washer fluid reservoir and they're already methanol resistant (washer fluid has methanol in it)...
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 12:40 AM
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Yes water methanol injection which is just windshield fluid . From what i can tell there is no down side to this. It would be be a way of getting some pretty cheap HP.
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Yes water methanol injection which is just windshield fluid . From what i can tell there is no down side to this. It would be be a way of getting some pretty cheap HP.
i know lil stuff about the kit but im not the expert..
I havent seen or heard BENZITO owners have installed the kit.

i have seen on Mustang, Vettes, BMW and Porsche but not benz.

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here i copied and pasted from diff board that i belong too (benzworld.org)....

Let me clarify the function of methanol/water injection.
It is not used to add power.
It is used to allow sustained combustion beyong anti-knock ability of fuel used. In simple words it is an octane booster.
If your current setup in not causing unstable combustion, i.e. detonation, than adding water injection will only cause loss of power. Which is exactly what happened to you.
I have played with meth/water injections many times. The only way it makes power is when more boost is added to the car.
Lets look beyong marketing hype.
To make power we need 3 things - air, fuel and spark.
In simple terms - fill the cylinder with air, add fuel, light it up at the right time and bang we got combustion that drives down the piston.
To make combustion more efficient and increase power, we need more air. Add more fuel to keep A/F ratio around 11-12, find optimum time when to light it up, make sure you have enough energy for that spark to happen and off we go.
Now, this is an overly simplified picture, but I think you are still with me.
Now lets see what happens when we add meth/water mix. Since it is not really combustible what it does is simply takes part of combustion chamber volume.
Now the mixture goes rich, since we have less air now and we loose power.
On turbo engine we can overcome this by simply adding more boost and thus more air. Now playing with fuel and timing we can take advantage of being able to control higher cylinder pressures. After spending a considerable amount of time and effort we are now able to run more boost with low grade gas and make more power.

Is it worth it?
It depends who you ask. For a drag car, that is constantly monitored after every run and allows one to get away from properly building the engine and still run crazy boost - the answer is - Yes.
On the street car, something will eventually fail in water injection circuit and now you have lost your ability to control detonation. Next time you get into it, boom - there go piston rings. For most people simply using race fuel is an easier solution.
On M112/M113 kompressor engines, 55s and 32s, twin spark plugs do a very admirable job of lighting up fuel, even under very high pressures.
I have run 23.5 psi on my C32 with 91 octane, car was putting down mid 380s at the wheels. Going to 104 octane enabled more advance and thus produced low 420s. Trying to use water injection as octane booster we were only able to get into low 400s, no matter how hard we played with fuel and timing. In other words simply going with proper octane fuel was a better solution.
In the end I went back to smaller crank pulley. Kompressor clutch could not handle crazy RPMs it took to be at that boost level.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 01:37 AM
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This is the info i was looking for. there are a lot of people here talking about it telling me i should do this, I just didn't really know if anyone had done this to a benz and what the opinions were thanks.
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Originally Posted by carbonducati
This is the info i was looking for. there are a lot of people here talking about it telling me i should do this, I just didn't really know if anyone had done this to a benz and what the opinions were thanks.
Do you have a blower? If so, what kind?
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I have a 2001 CLK430, I would like to get a little more out of it, I just cant seem to find anything for my motor to give me a few more HP...
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Originally Posted by carbonducati
I have a 2001 CLK430, I would like to get a little more out of it, I just cant seem to find anything for my motor to give me a few more HP...
There are a number, but it all depends on how much you want to spend. What all are you looking to do?
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 01:01 PM
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I guess i am looking for cheap power right now, What are some of the best things to do to achieve this?
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Originally Posted by carbonducati
This is the info i was looking for. there are a lot of people here talking about it telling me i should do this, I just didn't really know if anyone had done this to a benz and what the opinions were thanks.
some people say its not good and some say its good.. If u want, u can join there www.benzworld.org and there is couple of methanol thread but i noticed most of the car who had em like slk and not clk
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Lots of info available out there: http://www.coolingmist.com/ http://www.alcohol-injection.com/ http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.com/index.html

At first I thought this would be the poor man's nitrous oxide, but I don't think so now.

The post from BigMike has the most sensible information: "For a drag car, that is constantly monitored after every run and allows one to get away from properly building the engine and still run crazy boost - the answer is - Yes.
On the street car, something will eventually fail in water injection circuit and now you have lost your ability to control detonation. Next time you get into it, boom - there go piston rings. For most people simply using race fuel is an easier solution."
The operative word here being BOOM.
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Lots of info available out there: http://www.coolingmist.com/ http://www.alcohol-injection.com/ http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.com/index.html

At first I thought this would be the poor man's nitrous oxide, but I don't think so now.

The post from BigMike has the most sensible information: "For a drag car, that is constantly monitored after every run and allows one to get away from properly building the engine and still run crazy boost - the answer is - Yes.
On the street car, something will eventually fail in water injection circuit and now you have lost your ability to control detonation. Next time you get into it, boom - there go piston rings. For most people simply using race fuel is an easier solution."
The operative word here being BOOM.
Most of my friends who got that kit, got drag race cars and not a regular daily car and they invested tons of money in engine, pistons and so forth....
Maybe the kit is cheap but he needs to modify other things and benz parts are expensive
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Originally Posted by karburn
Lots of info available out there: http://www.coolingmist.com/ http://www.alcohol-injection.com/ http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.com/index.html

At first I thought this would be the poor man's nitrous oxide, but I don't think so now.

The post from BigMike has the most sensible information: "For a drag car, that is constantly monitored after every run and allows one to get away from properly building the engine and still run crazy boost - the answer is - Yes.
On the street car, something will eventually fail in water injection circuit and now you have lost your ability to control detonation. Next time you get into it, boom - there go piston rings. For most people simply using race fuel is an easier solution."
The operative word here being BOOM.
The people that use water/meth kits are doing it more for preservation and not for power. It really won't do anything for a naturally aspirated motor. Water and meth are often referred to as liquid intercooling, because it does just about the same thing as an intercooler. Which on the low end is giving an added layer of protection to a safe setup or allowing for more timing and/or boost at the same fuel octane rating.
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I been running this for a while now. Its a must have for forced injected motors. Im using M1 methanol 100%, no water mix.
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I been running this for a while now. Its a must have for forced injected motors. Im using M1 methanol 100%, no water mix.
What suspension are you running?? Your drop looks perfect!!!
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eibach pro kit springs, bilstein stocks, front spring pads r the smallest and rear spring pads are the tallest. And i made a custom rear arm kit ( attached pic).
Looks good. What are the four bars in the rear?
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