v12

209 clks 02-04 have the standard can bus interface and the 04 onwards has the later interface

This is the early style :

And this is the later style :


I also couldn't source any of the adapters through local shops and had to go through e-bay to buy mine. Got it for £20 (about $30ish)

csxian

I see your point. So I still need OEM2 then...

v12

No, you don't need the OEM2, the oem2 is for units that do not already have a pre out, that box basically generates a line level feed for amplifiers from a high level (speaker) output from the headunit.

You only need the SWI-PS for your headunit and SWI-CAN2 for the car side. These are just for power/lighting and steering wheel controls.

Pac do not supply a convertor box to feed the input on the HK amp in your car. I don't know of anywhere that does, hence why most people rip it out completely and run their own amps/speakers.

csxian

I called an installed and he said that I need another 1ohm stable amp to fire up my stock sub as they cannot utilized the stock amp. Is it true?

v12

The stock sub in my car was a dual 4 ohm voice coil, making the total 2 ohms to the amp.
I don't know where he got 1 ohm from? Unless your car has a different sub, which may well be possible.

csxian

^ I think I will double check with my installer here before making any changes. The one that told me that the stock sub is 1ohm is a new place. I will update after I got any info from my installer.

bheng

oh interesting. i would like to apologize for my arrogance. I thought that the HK sound system still came with the same amp as the ones with the older style HU. you learn something new everyday.

but csxian you can use this for your HU. i believe its the same for urs as the newer HU on the 203. http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/2...133/index.html
i dont know if you can find it anymore.

here is the link for the 131 which is for the old hu. its plug and play for the HU.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PIONE...fAudioQ5fVideo

as i have been reading. v12, wouldnt it be easier for him to use the ca-r-pi 133 for his HU since its going to be pnp and he wont needing any adapters for his amp?

csxian

Okay, I'm kinda lost now. So basically, which one is a better option to go?
- PAC SWI-PS and SWI-CAN2 (or maybe another module such as OEM2?)
- Ca.r.pi 133

Price wise, two PAC modules are still cheaper than Pioneer and I still want to have the bluetooth functioning properly from the steering wheel.

bheng

then you should go for the pac audio.

i didnt like all the wires from pac and at the time, the blue tooth thing wasnt around for my z110bt. so i just picked the ca.r.pi for ease of use. i dont mind having to touch buttons on my screen for bluetooth or other programmable options.

i wanted something pnp. and the ca.r.pi is usually used in europe but i see a lot of the guys from the C class use them. but i will agree that pac has more functionality. i think both cost around the same. pac is like 60 a piece and ca.r.pi is like 145.

csxian

Did you install the unit yourself or have an installer did it for you? Do you know if PAC is also PnP?

Mind to explain more by "the bluetooth wasn't around for my z110bt"? The HU comes with built-in bluetooth, correct?

bheng

i installed the unit with the help of a friend. not sure about pac being pnp. your gonna have to look that up. but from the images provided, it doesnt look like it.

im sorry. i misread your post. but i meant that PAC upgraded their model right after i bought the ca.r.pi parts. it had the capability of voice recognition or something of the sort thats new with their model.

if you get PAC product, i believe you can prgram whatever you want to your steering wheel where as the ca.r.pi has only (for mine) volume and track control. not sure about the 133 model being able to control anything different. so i think if you want full steering wheel control again. pac is for you. its pretty simple to program. i just didnt want to bother with the wiring.

and yes bluetooth is built in. very nice feature but mic sucks. apparently theres this static thats there. sounds like road noise. but dunno how to fix it. i mean ppl can still hear you and you can hear them just fine. so i wouldnt worry about that too much unless you do a lot of business calling on the road.

v12

If you want the pioneer adapter then you should check about on euro e-bay sites.

But if you do want the extra functionality, the pac is the way to go.

Bheng, where have you positioned your mic? I put mine just to the right of the sun visor and it works great with most callers...

bheng

I put my mic to the right of the tachometers. just right above the key hole. the reception is great on my end. the only problem was on the callers end they said they heard some road noise. i tested it myself as well. took a friends phone and called my phone in the car. i could hear the "road noise" with the car just idling. most people just get used to it as they think im just driving.

i am also a member at the avic site. there is a member there with a C class as well with the same problem with the z110bt unit. weird.

csxian

bheng, did you make DIY when you install the unit? If it's not too hard, i'm thinking to install my self too.

bheng

I didnt make a DIY cuz we were in a rush to finish. LOL. but i remember most of the install. not too bad. most of it is covered in dynamat. if you are just installing the HU, it's simple. the only hard part is that i dont know how you will be getting the signal from your speakers to RCA of the HU. It was easy for me cuz since i installed a new amp, i had RCA cables to go with it. Keeping in mind that this was my first radio/audio install so my knowledge is very limited. I'm sure v12, pat, 2mchar, I and others that have done an audio set up will be able to guide you over time. that might take awhile for the install.

keep in mind, i didnt have trouble til the very end. and it was just tapping into wires. i dont have pics but i can try to guide your verbally. hope that helps.
also if you decide to do this yourself,you will need to get a wire diagram of your wires for your car.

csxian

what amp do you use? If I can install it myself and save $200 installation cost, I can allocate that money to an amp. I want to install the PAC steering modules too. Where should I get a wire diagram of my car? Mine is 07 CLK350 with 5.1 Harman Kardon system

bheng

i have two alpine amps. 500/1 for my sub and 300/4 powering my speakers. i think thats ample power to power up my equipment. although its debatable for the sub. but i dont play it that loud.

pac should have a generic model for our cars. and you can get the wiring diagram from your dealer or service assistant.

the amps are going to cost more than 200 alone. wires and cap are about 100. dynamat is going to run you up the ***. you need to plan out if your going to want to run new speakers and an amp. or add another amp with sub.

if your going for basics, and really love music, i would get some focals and a really nice amp. but i think thats a bit higher end. i put on the other forum. i run JL audio C2 components and coaxials. and wired that to my amp and then amp to HU.

and if you get a new amp, your looking at getting new speakers. you can do without the sub for now. and add it later. but be prepared to empty out your wallet for an audio set up.

csxian

Yeah... Audio does cost a lot. How about the center speaker?

bheng

my alpine amp only had 4 channel. didnt want to spend that much more on a 5 channel speaker. if you want you can buy a 5 channel speaker and get a new center speaker. but i decided to lose it. to be honest, i didnt notice it being gone. was too busy enjoying the other 4 and the large sub in the trunk.

i wouldnt bother getting a 5 channel. chances are you wont really notice the center speaker missing. i would rather spend that extra money saved on better set of speakers or something

bheng

hey 2mchar! can you post your background. lol i wanna use it for my avic =P

2MCHCAR

What's going on bheng! Ha, Ha! One of the two biggest request I get PMed for is the Mercedes-Benz radio background, the other is for the speaker wiring diagram. So here they are!

v12

The Avic will need an 800x480 resolution image to display full screen.

Here are a few that i've been using.

dynomite05

We should definitely get a STICKY going for w209 audio. All this info is a great help!

v12

Woah...your sig is HUGE!

bheng

+1 this stuff as well as a couple other threads helped me finish my audio. i will be posting my thread soon with my install