New wheel trouble
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New wheel trouble
Was happy to finally find the time to install the new wheels replacing my OEM wheels with winter tires and ran in to trouble.
Got these Monarch EURO 63 rims
Front: 19x8.5 32mm offset with 225/35/19 tires
Rear:19x9.5 35mm offset with 255/35/19 tires
Got them used with 25mm bolts. The OEM 16'' wheels have the bolts sticking out ~ 5/8th both front and back. The new wheels have the included bolts sticking out 6/8th. From reading the forum
I should be fine but the rears give me clicking sound from I guess hitting the e-brake therefore looks like anything over 5/8th sticking out will be a problem.
The fronts will not even allow me to tighten the wheels. The bolts are tight but the wheel still is loose.
Another thing that got me worried is how close the inner top edge of the front rim comes to the shock. If I get the 1/8th shorter bolts to match the OEM, then the edge of the rim will be only about 5mm away from the shock. I worry that this might bee to close for comfort. I can add 3mm spacer (reduce vibrations over larger) and use the existing new bolts that are now too long and then I would be 8mm away from the shock. Wondering what your thoughts are on this?
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As for the rear, everything looks like its clearing fine except for the bolts being 18th too long. Here I can get maybe 23mm bolts, shave 1/8th of an inch from existing bolts or add 3mm spacers. 3mm will not be anything one can tell as far as looking at the wheels so it will only allow me to use existing bolts with no modifications. I guess it would be better to just shave the bolts or get new bolts instead of the 3mm spacers.
Looking for opinions and advice especially with the rim/shock spacing if that’s something I should be concerned about.
Thanks much
Darius
Got these Monarch EURO 63 rims
Front: 19x8.5 32mm offset with 225/35/19 tires
Rear:19x9.5 35mm offset with 255/35/19 tires
Got them used with 25mm bolts. The OEM 16'' wheels have the bolts sticking out ~ 5/8th both front and back. The new wheels have the included bolts sticking out 6/8th. From reading the forum
take the wheel off the car and poke one of the lug nuts through it should only stick out .75 of an inch or a little more the clicking noise is the bolts hitting the e-brake inside the hub
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check how much thread is exposed. A good rule of thumb is about an 1"of thread or 6-7 turns to clear the rear e-brake.
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MB recommend just under 1" of thread sticking out the wheel once the bolt is seated.
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check how much thread is exposed. A good rule of thumb is about an 1"of thread or 6-7 turns to clear the rear e-brake.
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MB recommend just under 1" of thread sticking out the wheel once the bolt is seated.
The fronts will not even allow me to tighten the wheels. The bolts are tight but the wheel still is loose.
Another thing that got me worried is how close the inner top edge of the front rim comes to the shock. If I get the 1/8th shorter bolts to match the OEM, then the edge of the rim will be only about 5mm away from the shock. I worry that this might bee to close for comfort. I can add 3mm spacer (reduce vibrations over larger) and use the existing new bolts that are now too long and then I would be 8mm away from the shock. Wondering what your thoughts are on this?
![](http://10.176.80.153/www.mbworld.orgg/forums/members/dariusf-albums-darius-2003-clk320-picture11611-offset.jpg)
![](https://mbworld.org/forums/members/dariusf-albums-darius-2003-clk320-picture11611-offset.jpg)
As for the rear, everything looks like its clearing fine except for the bolts being 18th too long. Here I can get maybe 23mm bolts, shave 1/8th of an inch from existing bolts or add 3mm spacers. 3mm will not be anything one can tell as far as looking at the wheels so it will only allow me to use existing bolts with no modifications. I guess it would be better to just shave the bolts or get new bolts instead of the 3mm spacers.
Looking for opinions and advice especially with the rim/shock spacing if that’s something I should be concerned about.
Thanks much
Darius
Last edited by dariusf; 04-14-2010 at 12:35 PM.
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First off, congrats on the wheels... I really like that style!
Are you at stock ride height?
For the rears, personally, I'd just add spacers. You can get some eBay hubcentric spacers for the rears for around $50 depending on how wide you go and they work fine. You'll also make your stance wider and look better from the rear. I know that there are plenty of guys with around et20 in the rear, but that would call for you to actually get some longer bolts... and that would be more trial and error also.
I'm not sure what's going on with the front... "bolts are tight, but the wheel is still loose"... All I can think of is that the wheel may not be seated properly.
As for the spacing with the rim/shock... you probably need to take the car around the block and just listen carefully. I don't know about your ride height, but I've seen multiple people run these wheels in the forums and none have reported any of these issues... granted that they may have used a different tire size.
Anyway, just my 2 cents...
Are you at stock ride height?
For the rears, personally, I'd just add spacers. You can get some eBay hubcentric spacers for the rears for around $50 depending on how wide you go and they work fine. You'll also make your stance wider and look better from the rear. I know that there are plenty of guys with around et20 in the rear, but that would call for you to actually get some longer bolts... and that would be more trial and error also.
I'm not sure what's going on with the front... "bolts are tight, but the wheel is still loose"... All I can think of is that the wheel may not be seated properly.
As for the spacing with the rim/shock... you probably need to take the car around the block and just listen carefully. I don't know about your ride height, but I've seen multiple people run these wheels in the forums and none have reported any of these issues... granted that they may have used a different tire size.
Anyway, just my 2 cents...
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thanks much for the reply, appreciate it.
yes its stock now.
I was thinking about it and I do like the pushed out look. Concerned about any vibration issues at higher speeds with spacers over 3mm. That and I would have to get new bolts, would be easier to shave off the 1/8th
at least for the time being just to get the wheels on the car.
Well I tighten up the bolts but they only go in to a certain point. So the wheel still has room to wiggle and its not tightened. The holes in the hub go all the way threw but the bolts can only screw in to a point. I guess the 1/8th extra length of the bolts is the issue. Once I add 3mm spacers, I will have exact length of the OEM bolts with OEM wheels (5/8th) and should be fine.
Its the rims edge that's close to the shock. The guy I got these from had them on I think 04 CLK500 with bigger breaks. Same tires, bolts but used 3mm spacers all around to clear the breaks. He also had it lowered with Eibach springs. I do not know if he had any rubbing issues.
I would think that once I add 3mm spacers for a total of 8mm clearance in the front I should be fine? Basically trying to figure out if 8mm clearance between the shock and the rim top is OK
yes its stock now.
For the rears, personally, I'd just add spacers. You can get some eBay hubcentric spacers for the rears for around $50 depending on how wide you go and they work fine. You'll also make your stance wider and look better from the rear. I know that there are plenty of guys with around et20 in the rear, but that would call for you to actually get some longer bolts... and that would be more trial and error also.
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I'm not sure what's going on with the front... "bolts are tight, but the wheel is still loose"... All I can think of is that the wheel may not be seated properly.
As for the spacing with the rim/shock... you probably need to take the car around the block and just listen carefully. I don't know about your ride height, but I've seen multiple people run these wheels in the forums and none have reported any of these issues... granted that they may have used a different tire size.
I would think that once I add 3mm spacers for a total of 8mm clearance in the front I should be fine? Basically trying to figure out if 8mm clearance between the shock and the rim top is OK
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forgot to mention that the OEM 16" wheels have the tire clear the shock by about 11mm. The new wheels have the lip of the rim the widest part in the back and the clearance with 3mm spacers would be 8mm so I guess I worry about nothing
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I'm also wondering how much shorter the bolts can safely be then the OEM setup. Again my OEM 16" wheels have the OEM bolts stick out 5/8th which I would assume is the correct length given its OEM
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Anyone having any thoughts about the inner top edge of the front rim being 8mm away from the shock? Should I worry about this?
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I'm really worried about this issue now
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I'm about the buy the Monarch 19" Same set-up !
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I hate trial and error (Monarch should already have done this test
before selling those wheels to MB owners
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take a look at the pic in this store
http://www.tulipcitywheels.com/tcwst..._detail&p=1186
see the cone shape under the bolt head and before the threads?
Some call it cone, some conical. The OEM wheels use the rounded shape. These Monarch and I guess most other aftermarket wheels use cone.
http://www.tulipcitywheels.com/tcwst..._detail&p=1186
see the cone shape under the bolt head and before the threads?
Some call it cone, some conical. The OEM wheels use the rounded shape. These Monarch and I guess most other aftermarket wheels use cone.
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Once you know the proper length the bold needs to stick out in the back (5/8th on my CLK320) and you are not hitting anything with the size / width of the rim/tire you have, then it should be easier to calculate the proper sizes of the bolts required.
But I agree that its a trial and error.
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Anyone having any thoughts about the inner top edge of the front rim being 8mm away from the shock? Should I worry about this?
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Just get the right bolts and slap them on
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Another thing I thought would be a good idea is to get some locking bolts added in to the mix. I'm sure it'd not going to stop determined thief but its always something.
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aaa thanks
and what company of tires did you choice?
+ I will order some 3mm front spacers then
soo the inner wheel don't touch the front shock
and I will wait to see how it fits on for the rear spacers.
Dariusf, you should do a review about these wheels fitment.
alot of us have and will have the Euro63
and what company of tires did you choice?
+ I will order some 3mm front spacers then
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soo the inner wheel don't touch the front shock
and I will wait to see how it fits on for the rear spacers.
Dariusf, you should do a review about these wheels fitment.
alot of us have and will have the Euro63
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aaa thanks
and what company of tires did you choice?
+ I will order some 3mm front spacers then
soo the inner wheel don't touch the front shock
and I will wait to see how it fits on for the rear spacers.
Dariusf, you should do a review about these wheels fitment.
alot of us have and will have the Euro63![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
and what company of tires did you choice?
+ I will order some 3mm front spacers then
![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
soo the inner wheel don't touch the front shock
and I will wait to see how it fits on for the rear spacers.
Dariusf, you should do a review about these wheels fitment.
alot of us have and will have the Euro63
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Now that is with stock suspension. With lowered you will sure need to add some spacers. Also depends on the tires and brakes. I am stock for both none AMG, at least for now.
As for the tires I got the rims used with used tires:
225/35/19 Toyo FZ4
255/35/19 Bridgestone Potenza RE050
Was told that the Toyo has low angle cut edge that is good for rubbing issues when lowered. I might need to replace the rear tires as it looks like one is leaking air.
Last edited by dariusf; 04-15-2010 at 02:44 PM. Reason: spelling
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If I knew this, I would same myself lots of car lifting and lowering
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OK, got the spacers and extra shorter bolts for the rears. But one of the rear tires is loosing air so its all flat overnight. Left it at the tire place yesterday, hope its something easily fixed and I don't have to buy two new tires
Hopefully no more surprises and I finally get these wheels on the car.
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Just a recap
just to be sure:
to fit the Monarch Euro63RS 19" on a W209
you need a 3mm H&R spacer up front
(the back spacer is optional)
and need 23mm long tapered bolts (cone type) front and back
Is all this correct ?
to fit the Monarch Euro63RS 19" on a W209
you need a 3mm H&R spacer up front
(the back spacer is optional)
and need 23mm long tapered bolts (cone type) front and back
Is all this correct ?
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(the back spacer is optional)
and need 23mm long tapered bolts (cone type) front and back
Is all this correct ?
Is all this correct ?
All that assumes you are not lowered and do not want to push out the wheels for better looks.
Was over at the tire shop yesterday and unfortunately I need a new tire for one of the rears
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this is the plan for my ride at least for now:
front: 3mm spacers, 25mm bolts
rear: no spacers, 23mm bolts
I have 10 extra 24mm bolts available if anyone is interested, tapered bolts (cone type) with chrome finish. I'm in SW Chicago burbs.
front: 3mm spacers, 25mm bolts
rear: no spacers, 23mm bolts
I have 10 extra 24mm bolts available if anyone is interested, tapered bolts (cone type) with chrome finish. I'm in SW Chicago burbs.
Last edited by dariusf; 04-21-2010 at 02:38 PM.