Kleeman Headers!
01-08-2006, 07:54 PM
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Kleeman Headers!
Can the Kleeman headers they make for the CLK55 work on the W203 C55?
And are they infact different than the headers they make for the E55 W210 and 211?
Anybody know?
If so then the CLK headers should bolt up to the C43 I hope.
I know the stck exhaust manifolds are different between the E55 and the CLK55 I believe.
And are they infact different than the headers they make for the E55 W210 and 211?
Anybody know?
If so then the CLK headers should bolt up to the C43 I hope.
I know the stck exhaust manifolds are different between the E55 and the CLK55 I believe.
01-08-2006, 08:19 PM
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05 ML-500 , 03 CLK5.5 AMG has left the Garage
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I'm Just install a set on my 03 CLK5.5AMG last night. It was tight!!! . I had to use a hammer and some wood to push the heat shields on the side & over the motor mounts . .About 4 hours of work , and had to loosen the motor mounts & jack the motor. Funny think I found the motor mount bolts were not what I would call tight??? I loosened them with a 1/4 ", 3 inch ratchet , with light wrist action . The top side mount bolts was the same . I used a little red locktite and 40 FT lbs .
If your 208 has a larger engine , I think they would fit. Here's some pictures of the OEM manifolds , next to the headers . I have already done a dyno , Mtr has new S/P s. Renntech air , box Green filters. And Kleemann ECU upgrade. The car is going to the muffler Shop to have the rest of the exhaust system built, Using 100 cell cats & Carlsson Muffler. Then back to the dyno
If your 208 has a larger engine , I think they would fit. Here's some pictures of the OEM manifolds , next to the headers . I have already done a dyno , Mtr has new S/P s. Renntech air , box Green filters. And Kleemann ECU upgrade. The car is going to the muffler Shop to have the rest of the exhaust system built, Using 100 cell cats & Carlsson Muffler. Then back to the dyno
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01-08-2006, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PTE
I'm Just install a set on my 03 CLK5.5AMG last night. It was tight!!! . I had to use a hammer and some wood to push the heat shields on the side & over the motor mounts . .About 4 hours of work , and had to loosen the motor mounts & jack the motor. Funny think I found the motor mount bolts were not what I would call tight??? I loosened them with a 1/4 ", 3 inch ratchet , with light wrist action . The top side mount bolts was the same . I used a little red locktite and 40 FT lbs .
If your 208 has a larger engine , I think they would fit. Here's some pictures of the OEM manifolds , next to the headers . I have already done a dyno , Mtr has new S/P s. Renntech air , box Green filters. And Kleemann ECU upgrade. The car is going to the muffler Shop to have the rest of the exhaust system built, Using 100 cell cats & Carlsson Muffler. Then back to the dyno
If your 208 has a larger engine , I think they would fit. Here's some pictures of the OEM manifolds , next to the headers . I have already done a dyno , Mtr has new S/P s. Renntech air , box Green filters. And Kleemann ECU upgrade. The car is going to the muffler Shop to have the rest of the exhaust system built, Using 100 cell cats & Carlsson Muffler. Then back to the dyno
As soon as you get your car back please post the dyno results thanx!!
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01-08-2006, 11:18 PM
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PTE,
Are those Kleemann headers you have there coated or just plain polished? Looks good. Have tested it out yet and if so did you notice a huge difference between the stocks?
Are those Kleemann headers you have there coated or just plain polished? Looks good. Have tested it out yet and if so did you notice a huge difference between the stocks?
01-09-2006, 01:34 AM
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I'm very insterested to see your dyno results with those Kleemann beauty's. Do you still have cats and how is the sound. I'm thinking of doing this because I think it will work well with my supercharger and I would wrap them to help reduce motor heat.
Let us know
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01-09-2006, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Perfect.Those stck clk55 exh mani's look exactly like the stck exh mani's on the C43 which I am now using on my 5.5L motor that's in my C43. The E55 mani's are different. the kleeman headers for the CLK55 should wrk for the W203 C55 and the W202 C43's. Nice pics and thanx for your help. Kleeman Headers,here I might come!
As soon as you get your car back please post the dyno results thanx!!
As soon as you get your car back please post the dyno results thanx!!
01-09-2006, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CoryU
The headers pictured will not work on a W202/208.
208 CLK55 mani(part#)=202 C43 exh mani Now does Kleean make a header for the 208 lk55?
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01-09-2006, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
OK ,Well how do you know is my next question? Is the engine bay in the 209 bigger? I need to know that you know this for a fact and if you tried it. That exhaust manifold in the pic is the same as the C43 exh mani.
How do I know? Let's just say it's my job to know....
01-09-2006, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CoryU
It does not matter if the manifold on the C43 is the same or not. What we are concerned with is making it around the steering box. W202/208 cars use recirculating ball steering, where a 203/209 uses rack and pinion which does not have a steering box to contend with. W202/208 headers are unique to that chassis because of the steering system- there is simply not enough room for a header like the one in the picture.
How do I know? Let's just say it's my job to know....
How do I know? Let's just say it's my job to know....
01-09-2006, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CoryU
How do I know? Let's just say it's my job to know....
...so then you're saying we're SOL Cory? No way, No how? ...or are we misunderstanding and you are only saying "no headers like that, we do have some but they are different?".
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01-09-2006, 04:28 PM
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Thanx Cory.I'm glad I quit while I was ahead!!!!You stopped me right in my tracks!
01-09-2006, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by c55m8o
wow, flying under the radar huh Cory, w/o the co. you work for in your sig... :v
...so then you're saying we're SOL Cory? No way, No how?
...so then you're saying we're SOL Cory? No way, No how?
01-09-2006, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Steve he actually does have headers for the C43!
01-09-2006, 05:25 PM
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05 ML-500 , 03 CLK5.5 AMG has left the Garage
CLK 5.5 headers
I had them coated by a local guy ,here in Stuart FLA.
I paid retail , but anything else I looked at was not as good as the Kleemann , for increase HP. IMHO
Chris @ C2Design & Cory at Kleemann USA are Great to work with
I will dyno the car after I finish the exhaust system. This will be the 20th run on the dyno.
Next will be Kleemann Cams , this may take a little longer. I want to get the valve covers polished and clear coated.
I paid retail , but anything else I looked at was not as good as the Kleemann , for increase HP. IMHO
Chris @ C2Design & Cory at Kleemann USA are Great to work with
I will dyno the car after I finish the exhaust system. This will be the 20th run on the dyno.
Next will be Kleemann Cams , this may take a little longer. I want to get the valve covers polished and clear coated.
01-09-2006, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PTE
Next will be Kleemann Cams , this may take a little longer. I want to get the valve covers polished and clear coated.
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01-09-2006, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PTE
I had them coated by a local guy ,here in Stuart FLA.
I paid retail , but anything else I looked at was not as good as the Kleemann , for increase HP. IMHO
Chris @ C2Design & Cory at Kleemann USA are Great to work with
I will dyno the car after I finish the exhaust system. This will be the 20th run on the dyno.
Next will be Kleemann Cams , this may take a little longer. I want to get the valve covers polished and clear coated.
I paid retail , but anything else I looked at was not as good as the Kleemann , for increase HP. IMHO
Chris @ C2Design & Cory at Kleemann USA are Great to work with
I will dyno the car after I finish the exhaust system. This will be the 20th run on the dyno.
Next will be Kleemann Cams , this may take a little longer. I want to get the valve covers polished and clear coated.
I do agree to Chris and Spencer are top notch. Haven't had the chance to work with Cory as I'll leave all my work to C2 Design.
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01-09-2006, 07:11 PM
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05 ML-500 , 03 CLK5.5 AMG has left the Garage
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The motor is a N/A , 3 valve 11 to 1 C/R. From what I understand , the motor will have a slight lope at Idle or as explained in the intallation guide ,a slightly lumpy idle - this is normal due the lift & duration of the Kleemann cams
My Guess is , that it will idle somewhat like a z06
DurationCRA intake 256 degrees
DurationCRA exhaust 268 degrees
peak timing 114 degree. I think that is center line
Valve timing CRA
intake opens 14 degree / closes 62 degree
exhaust opens 68 degrees / closes 20 degrees
Thats all I know , until I dyno the car when the cams are installed.. I do all my own work after I get off the road , and on the week end . Other than that , Talk to Brandon @ Kleemann USA
My Guess is , that it will idle somewhat like a z06
DurationCRA intake 256 degrees
DurationCRA exhaust 268 degrees
peak timing 114 degree. I think that is center line
Valve timing CRA
intake opens 14 degree / closes 62 degree
exhaust opens 68 degrees / closes 20 degrees
Thats all I know , until I dyno the car when the cams are installed.. I do all my own work after I get off the road , and on the week end . Other than that , Talk to Brandon @ Kleemann USA
01-09-2006, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PTE
The motor is a N/A , 3 valve 11 to 1 C/R. From what I understand , the motor will have a slight lope at Idle or as explained in the intallation guide ,a slightly lumpy idle - this is normal due the lift & duration of the Kleemann cams
My Guess is , that it will idle somewhat like a z06
DurationCRA intake 256 degrees
DurationCRA exhaust 268 degrees
peak timing 114 degree. I think that is center line
Valve timing CRA
intake opens 14 degree / closes 62 degree
exhaust opens 68 degrees / closes 20 degrees
Thats all I know , until I dyno the car when the cams are installed.. I do all my own work after I get off the road , and on the week end . Other than that , Talk to Brandon @ Kleemann USA
My Guess is , that it will idle somewhat like a z06
DurationCRA intake 256 degrees
DurationCRA exhaust 268 degrees
peak timing 114 degree. I think that is center line
Valve timing CRA
intake opens 14 degree / closes 62 degree
exhaust opens 68 degrees / closes 20 degrees
Thats all I know , until I dyno the car when the cams are installed.. I do all my own work after I get off the road , and on the week end . Other than that , Talk to Brandon @ Kleemann USA
01-09-2006, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PTE
The motor is a N/A , 3 valve 11 to 1 C/R. From what I understand , the motor will have a slight lope at Idle or as explained in the intallation guide ,a slightly lumpy idle - this is normal due the lift & duration of the Kleemann cams
My Guess is , that it will idle somewhat like a z06
DurationCRA intake 256 degrees
DurationCRA exhaust 268 degrees
peak timing 114 degree. I think that is center line
Valve timing CRA
intake opens 14 degree / closes 62 degree
exhaust opens 68 degrees / closes 20 degrees
That's all I know , until I dyno the car when the cams are installed.. I do all my own work after I get off the road , and on the week end . Other than that , Talk to Brandon @ Kleemann USA
My Guess is , that it will idle somewhat like a z06
DurationCRA intake 256 degrees
DurationCRA exhaust 268 degrees
peak timing 114 degree. I think that is center line
Valve timing CRA
intake opens 14 degree / closes 62 degree
exhaust opens 68 degrees / closes 20 degrees
That's all I know , until I dyno the car when the cams are installed.. I do all my own work after I get off the road , and on the week end . Other than that , Talk to Brandon @ Kleemann USA
01-09-2006, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PTE
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Thats all I know , until I dyno the car when the cams are installed.. I do all my own work after I get off the road , and on the week end . Other than that , Talk to Brandon @ Kleemann USA
Thats all I know , until I dyno the car when the cams are installed.. I do all my own work after I get off the road , and on the week end . Other than that , Talk to Brandon @ Kleemann USA
01-10-2006, 01:30 AM
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PTE, Thanks for the cam specs. I think that if the lob centers where moved some so the intake side was advanced so it opened 5 degrees sooner and the exhaust cam closed 5 degrees sooner you would see some Hp.
Another company to coat the headers is Swain Tech. They spray a very thick ceramic coating on that really keeps the heat in. I can typically touch my headers after driving only minutes after shutdown. The only drawback is the coating is not shiny it is more grainy, like a fine silver sand texture.
Jeff
Another company to coat the headers is Swain Tech. They spray a very thick ceramic coating on that really keeps the heat in. I can typically touch my headers after driving only minutes after shutdown. The only drawback is the coating is not shiny it is more grainy, like a fine silver sand texture.
Jeff
01-10-2006, 06:11 AM
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PTE, Thanks for the cam specs. I think that if the lob centers where moved some so the intake side was advanced so it opened 5 degrees sooner and the exhaust cam closed 5 degrees sooner you would see some Hp.
Another company to coat the headers is Swain Tech. They spray a very thick ceramic coating on that really keeps the heat in. I can typically touch my headers after driving only minutes after shutdown. The only drawback is the coating is not shiny it is more grainy, like a fine silver sand texture.
Jeff
Another company to coat the headers is Swain Tech. They spray a very thick ceramic coating on that really keeps the heat in. I can typically touch my headers after driving only minutes after shutdown. The only drawback is the coating is not shiny it is more grainy, like a fine silver sand texture.
Jeff
good call Jeff and their prices are pretty reasonable.
