2008 BMW M3 (Looks Like W208 AMG)
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2008 BMW M3 (Looks Like W208 AMG)
Check out the pictures of the new M3. IMHO it looks very similar to the 2001-2002 CLK55 AMG models.
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The 2008 M3 will have a high-revving, naturally aspirated V-8. The 4.0-liter engine is based on the 5.0-liter V-10 from the current M5, but minus two cylinders (and the corresponding liter of displacement). With direct injection and variable valve timing, we expect it to produce approximately 410 horsepower and 310 pound-feet of torque. The all-aluminum engine will weigh about the same as the outgoing M3’s aluminum-and-iron inline-six, so the 2008 M3 won’t weigh much more than the outgoing car—about 3500 pounds. To the relief of enthusiasts everywhere, a conventional six-speed manual transmission will be standard. A seven-speed sequential manual likely will be offered later for video-game junkies and other masochists. The M3’s V-8 will produce about as much torque as the turbocharged inline-six in the 335i, but it will be fully a third more powerful. We’ve posted 4.8-to-4.9-second 0-to-60-mph times in the 335i, and we expect the M3 to do that sprint in less than 4.5 seconds. Top speed, as with most performance BMWs, will be limited to 155 mph.
Car & Drive Info:
The 2008 M3 will have a high-revving, naturally aspirated V-8. The 4.0-liter engine is based on the 5.0-liter V-10 from the current M5, but minus two cylinders (and the corresponding liter of displacement). With direct injection and variable valve timing, we expect it to produce approximately 410 horsepower and 310 pound-feet of torque. The all-aluminum engine will weigh about the same as the outgoing M3’s aluminum-and-iron inline-six, so the 2008 M3 won’t weigh much more than the outgoing car—about 3500 pounds. To the relief of enthusiasts everywhere, a conventional six-speed manual transmission will be standard. A seven-speed sequential manual likely will be offered later for video-game junkies and other masochists. The M3’s V-8 will produce about as much torque as the turbocharged inline-six in the 335i, but it will be fully a third more powerful. We’ve posted 4.8-to-4.9-second 0-to-60-mph times in the 335i, and we expect the M3 to do that sprint in less than 4.5 seconds. Top speed, as with most performance BMWs, will be limited to 155 mph.
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With 410 HP and a 0-60 of 4.5, they will pretty much dominate us period. We have more TQ but the difference in HP will negate this. The speedtuningusa.com chip which increases the HP to around a claimed 370 HP, and torque to 400 lb.-ft on 93 octane for $325.00 is looking pretty good about now. That would bring the numbers somewhat closer.
You know, with our lowered cars on AMG or H&R springs with Bilstein Sport shocks and using high performance low profile tires, I am not sure the BMW would perform much better. What kills the W208 is the 3.2 turns-to-lock, when most sports cars are 2.6! Recirculating bal with power assist- who's idea was that. Then no LSD. Crap, what where they thinking! What a blemish on an otherwise excellent AGM car.
You know, with our lowered cars on AMG or H&R springs with Bilstein Sport shocks and using high performance low profile tires, I am not sure the BMW would perform much better. What kills the W208 is the 3.2 turns-to-lock, when most sports cars are 2.6! Recirculating bal with power assist- who's idea was that. Then no LSD. Crap, what where they thinking! What a blemish on an otherwise excellent AGM car.
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I've been following the threads on e90post.com and they confirmed that those pictures are doctored. But either ways, the new E92 3 series coupe is such a good looking car, I can't see how they could mess up the M3.
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CLK550 has 388hp and 391ft lbs of tq with the 7speed tranny. The CLK63 has 475hp and 465 ft lbs of tq with the 7spd tranny so I don't knw how your presumptions add up!
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ProjectC55: My analysis is based on the W208 AMG and really the W209 AMG (since they perform the same). It doesn't include the CLK63. The CLK63 going to be around 4.4 to 4.7 0-60. So it will be a close match with the new M3. However, for the rest of us it will not be close. A 0.5 difference in the 0-60 is significant, not to mention a 68 HP deficit.
It is a tough world to compete in. Hell, the Toyota Camery has 268 HP in its top model. I see you had or have a Eagle Talon. My 1991 Talon has 200 HP and it was considered a sports car. I later bumped it to a high 12 car but it started out at 200. For that matter, I also had 300Z with 200 HP. I would have been pissed back then if they told me my dad's Camery would have 268 HP.
It is a tough world to compete in. Hell, the Toyota Camery has 268 HP in its top model. I see you had or have a Eagle Talon. My 1991 Talon has 200 HP and it was considered a sports car. I later bumped it to a high 12 car but it started out at 200. For that matter, I also had 300Z with 200 HP. I would have been pissed back then if they told me my dad's Camery would have 268 HP.
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why do people quote 0-60 times like they tell the whole story. Really its useless information as there are too many variables in the real world to think that you'll smoke a car based on your car having a faster claimed 0-60 time.
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Because the only variable that can be controlled in a group discuss like this is the testing numbers- such as HP, TQ 0-60 and 1/4 mile time and trap speed. The assumption is that when C&D or R&T test a car they attempt to use the same testing techniques. Thus, we can all speak on relative terms.
No one is suggesting that a better driver, good launch, modified car or other variables won't affect the outcome of a race or a particular cars performance.
What a 0-60 time indicates to a group is how fast a particular car can get off the line quickly (i.e. how well the car hooks up). What the HP, TQ and 1/4 time tell us is how fast the car will continue to accelerate once off the line. This allows us to make a theoretical deduction as to our car's potential to win a race (assuming all the stars line up) against another car. It is not absolute by any means.
No one is suggesting that a better driver, good launch, modified car or other variables won't affect the outcome of a race or a particular cars performance.
What a 0-60 time indicates to a group is how fast a particular car can get off the line quickly (i.e. how well the car hooks up). What the HP, TQ and 1/4 time tell us is how fast the car will continue to accelerate once off the line. This allows us to make a theoretical deduction as to our car's potential to win a race (assuming all the stars line up) against another car. It is not absolute by any means.
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name of charity and good will,
shepherds the weak through the
valley of darkness, for he is truly
his brother's keeper and the finder
of lost children. And I will
strike down upon thee with great
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who attempt to poison and destroy
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vengeance upon you."
Could be your motto! Amen brother.
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name of charity and good will,
shepherds the weak through the
valley of darkness, for he is truly
his brother's keeper and the finder
of lost children. And I will
strike down upon thee with great
vengeance and furious anger those
who attempt to poison and destroy
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"Blessed is he who, in the
name of charity and good will,
shepherds the weak through the
valley of darkness, for he is truly
his brother's keeper and the finder
of lost children. And I will
strike down upon thee with great
vengeance and furious anger those
who attempt to poison and destroy
my brothers. And you will know my
name is the Lord when I lay my
vengeance upon you."
Could be your motto! Amen brother.
Rich
name of charity and good will,
shepherds the weak through the
valley of darkness, for he is truly
his brother's keeper and the finder
of lost children. And I will
strike down upon thee with great
vengeance and furious anger those
who attempt to poison and destroy
my brothers. And you will know my
name is the Lord when I lay my
vengeance upon you."
Could be your motto! Amen brother.
Rich
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ProjectC55: My analysis is based on the W208 AMG and really the W209 AMG (since they perform the same). It doesn't include the CLK63. The CLK63 going to be around 4.4 to 4.7 0-60. So it will be a close match with the new M3. However, for the rest of us it will not be close. A 0.5 difference in the 0-60 is significant, not to mention a 68 HP deficit.
It is a tough world to compete in. Hell, the Toyota Camery has 268 HP in its top model. I see you had or have a Eagle Talon. My 1991 Talon has 200 HP and it was considered a sports car. I later bumped it to a high 12 car but it started out at 200. For that matter, I also had 300Z with 200 HP. I would have been pissed back then if they told me my dad's Camery would have 268 HP.
It is a tough world to compete in. Hell, the Toyota Camery has 268 HP in its top model. I see you had or have a Eagle Talon. My 1991 Talon has 200 HP and it was considered a sports car. I later bumped it to a high 12 car but it started out at 200. For that matter, I also had 300Z with 200 HP. I would have been pissed back then if they told me my dad's Camery would have 268 HP.
Anyway , when they have the new M3 on the road then you'll see the truth!
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............based on the 0-60 times for the 335, it means that car is probably a mid to low 13sec car in the quater mile. It is amazing how much faster cars have become these days. Such a performance used to be supercar territory 10 years ago.
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