Need opinion on N/A 550HP CLK55
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Need opinion on N/A 550HP CLK55
Car has 7K, built by respectable tuner. Engine upgrades include, high-compression pistons (12:1), titanium rods, reinforced crank, on-board ECU to control air/fuel, headwork w/ injectors, high-flow exhaust system (cat-back) in addition to chassis stiffening modifications. Claimed power output is 550+HP/490+ft.-lbs. I have a CLK55 right now and can only imagine how this car must drive. Am seriously considering selling my car and getting this. Any idea what a good price would be for it though? Not sure what they want for it...heard this from a car broker who didn't give me any price figures.
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A Kleemann supercharger would provide more torque, and you would be able to rest assured that the quality is top notch. I'm almost positive that it would be cheaper to add it to your car then it would be to buy the one with the engine mods.
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If I were you I would take your existing 55, send it down to Oberklasse to have an MKB 55 Hypertune Kit, MKB 3.07 Differential Software and Vmax Removal Software installed, then send it over to Evosport to have a Kleeman SC and upgraded suspension and brake components installed. You'll end up with a SC engine that breathes better and sounds like a beast. I'm not sure about the cost wof selling your existing CLK and buyiing the other, however, if costs are similar you'll end up with a faster, meaner Mercedes from hell.
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Actually, we (Evosport) can do the MKB work as well. If you're interested in the MKB or the Kleemann kit (or anything for that matter), feel free to email me at ben@evosport.com; I'd be happy to help.
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Re: compression
Originally posted by bodyart27
I would not attempt to put a supercharger on a car that already has high compression....
by the way - who is the tuner???
I would not attempt to put a supercharger on a car that already has high compression....
by the way - who is the tuner???
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compression
I could see doing a supercharger on a stock 55 - but the one mentioned above running 12:1 was the one I was speaking about - I would *think* even with the forged crank / not maxing out injectors / MAF etc. you would expect trouble
just my thoughts
just my thoughts
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Kompressor on 12:1 CR engine
An engine with 12:1 CR is nearly impossible to supercharge with street gasoline, no matter what type of Kompressor or intercooler.
There is no possible way I could recommend an KLEEAMNN supercharger for an engine with this high a CR.
There is no possible way I could recommend an KLEEAMNN supercharger for an engine with this high a CR.
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2002 CLK 55 AMG Coupe ;)
There is an interesting article on conversions re KLEEMANN C32K AND CLK43K mods in last month's "Car & Driver."
Speed gains are only 1/10 of a second from 0-60 mph. NEGLIGIBLE!
The CLK43K has 427 HP and the CLK55 AMG has 349 HP.
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caran...emanc3243k.xml
Speed gains are only 1/10 of a second from 0-60 mph. NEGLIGIBLE!
The CLK43K has 427 HP and the CLK55 AMG has 349 HP.
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caran...emanc3243k.xml
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I think what you are trying to say is that the speed difference between the SC CLK430 and Stock CLK55, despite the significant difference in HP, is only .1 seconds, which you consider negligible. The difference between a non SC CLK430 and a SC CLK430 is obviously not negligible. I've never seen a dyno on a Kleeman SC car, so I'm not certain that a SC CLK430 puts out 430hp, however, one thing to consider is that the Kleeman had 19" wheels. I'm not sure about the wheel weight of those rims, however additional wheel weight and the increase in diameter would adversely affect the 0-60 time.
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That's the 0-60, .2 seconds for the qtr mile. But taking a 430 with a stock 6.1 0-60 and turning it into a 4.9 is a great accomplishment. And that's without changing the differential. I'm not sure how much you've followed the Kleemann topics, but the 55 produces 550HP! If I had that much HP, I'd be to busy driving to ever post here again (if anyone wants me off the boards, please feel free to make this dream a reality!).
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The other thing to consider is that a CLK55 was not tested against the SC CLK430 on that day. A number of factors can affect performance numbers on any given day. It is completely possible that a CLK55 on the same track, driven by the same driver, would net results of 5.2 sec or worse, as is the case in some perfromance numbers reported on the 55.
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Originally posted by Sleestack
Mach, I know you guys do the MKB diffeerential software, however, I'm not sure you do the MKB 55 Hypertune.
Mach, I know you guys do the MKB diffeerential software, however, I'm not sure you do the MKB 55 Hypertune.
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2002 CLK 55 AMG Coupe ;)
Sleestack wrote:
I was referring to the recent Car & Driver article, which states that the CLK43K (Kleeman) has 427 HP and the CLK55 AMG has 349 HP.
Speed gains are only 1/10 of a second from 0-60 mph (CLK43K has 427 HP - 78 more HP - over the standard CLK55 AMG with 349 HP.) That 1/10 of a second gain from 0-60 mph is NEGLIGIBLE according to subject article.
NOW, according to MB's official site, their is ZERO gain, because the 2002 CLK 55 is rated by MB at 4.9 seconds 0-60 mph.
This is identical to the CLK43K!
I think what you are trying to say is that the speed difference between the SC CLK430 and Stock CLK55, despite the significant difference in HP, is only .1 seconds, which you consider negligible.
Speed gains are only 1/10 of a second from 0-60 mph (CLK43K has 427 HP - 78 more HP - over the standard CLK55 AMG with 349 HP.) That 1/10 of a second gain from 0-60 mph is NEGLIGIBLE according to subject article.
NOW, according to MB's official site, their is ZERO gain, because the 2002 CLK 55 is rated by MB at 4.9 seconds 0-60 mph.
This is identical to the CLK43K!
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Re: Sleestack
Originally posted by Sleestack
I think what you are trying to say is that the speed difference between the SC CLK430 and Stock CLK55, despite the significant difference in HP, is only .1 seconds, which you consider negligible. The difference between a non SC CLK430 and a SC CLK430 is obviously not negligible. I've never seen a dyno on a Kleeman SC car, so I'm not certain that a SC CLK430 puts out 430hp, however, one thing to consider is that the Kleeman had 19" wheels. I'm not sure about the wheel weight of those rims, however additional wheel weight and the increase in diameter would adversely affect the 0-60 time.
I think what you are trying to say is that the speed difference between the SC CLK430 and Stock CLK55, despite the significant difference in HP, is only .1 seconds, which you consider negligible. The difference between a non SC CLK430 and a SC CLK430 is obviously not negligible. I've never seen a dyno on a Kleeman SC car, so I'm not certain that a SC CLK430 puts out 430hp, however, one thing to consider is that the Kleeman had 19" wheels. I'm not sure about the wheel weight of those rims, however additional wheel weight and the increase in diameter would adversely affect the 0-60 time.
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Originally posted by karl k
Sleestack wrote:
I was referring to the recent Car & Driver article, which states that the CLK43K (Kleeman) has 427 HP and the CLK55 AMG has 349 HP.
Speed gains are only 1/10 of a second from 0-60 mph (CLK43K has 427 HP - 78 more HP - over the standard CLK55 AMG with 349 HP.) That 1/10 of a second gain from 0-60 mph is NEGLIGIBLE according to subject article.
NOW, according to MB's official site, their is ZERO gain, because the 2002 CLK 55 is rated by MB at 4.9 seconds 0-60 mph.
This is identical to the CLK43K!
Sleestack wrote:
I was referring to the recent Car & Driver article, which states that the CLK43K (Kleeman) has 427 HP and the CLK55 AMG has 349 HP.
Speed gains are only 1/10 of a second from 0-60 mph (CLK43K has 427 HP - 78 more HP - over the standard CLK55 AMG with 349 HP.) That 1/10 of a second gain from 0-60 mph is NEGLIGIBLE according to subject article.
NOW, according to MB's official site, their is ZERO gain, because the 2002 CLK 55 is rated by MB at 4.9 seconds 0-60 mph.
This is identical to the CLK43K!
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2002 CLK 55 AMG Coupe ;)
Ben - I had the 2001 Vette a year ago. Enjoyed it for 6,000 miles.
The new 2002 Vette Z06 with 415 HP (20 HP more over 2001) runs 0-60 MPH in 3.9 seconds.
For $50,000 that's the best deal - if you like that much power/speed.
I just enjoy the 2002 CLK55 design, bells and whistles; the power/speed is just fine and manageable for me: 0-60 mph 4.9 seconds. It's a perfect match.
...just wish the markets would turn ^ ...fast.
The new 2002 Vette Z06 with 415 HP (20 HP more over 2001) runs 0-60 MPH in 3.9 seconds.
For $50,000 that's the best deal - if you like that much power/speed.
I just enjoy the 2002 CLK55 design, bells and whistles; the power/speed is just fine and manageable for me: 0-60 mph 4.9 seconds. It's a perfect match.
...just wish the markets would turn ^ ...fast.
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2003 CL55 AMG
Originally posted by TripleCap
Does anybody have a ballpark figure on what supercharging a stock 55 would cost all in? Email me if that is better. Thanks.
Does anybody have a ballpark figure on what supercharging a stock 55 would cost all in? Email me if that is better. Thanks.
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Originally posted by karl k
Sleestack wrote:
I was referring to the recent Car & Driver article, which states that the CLK43K (Kleeman) has 427 HP and the CLK55 AMG has 349 HP.
Speed gains are only 1/10 of a second from 0-60 mph (CLK43K has 427 HP - 78 more HP - over the standard CLK55 AMG with 349 HP.) That 1/10 of a second gain from 0-60 mph is NEGLIGIBLE according to subject article.
NOW, according to MB's official site, their is ZERO gain, because the 2002 CLK 55 is rated by MB at 4.9 seconds 0-60 mph.
This is identical to the CLK43K!
Sleestack wrote:
I was referring to the recent Car & Driver article, which states that the CLK43K (Kleeman) has 427 HP and the CLK55 AMG has 349 HP.
Speed gains are only 1/10 of a second from 0-60 mph (CLK43K has 427 HP - 78 more HP - over the standard CLK55 AMG with 349 HP.) That 1/10 of a second gain from 0-60 mph is NEGLIGIBLE according to subject article.
NOW, according to MB's official site, their is ZERO gain, because the 2002 CLK 55 is rated by MB at 4.9 seconds 0-60 mph.
This is identical to the CLK43K!
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If you guys want to know why the difference in 0-60 times in relation to HP just talk to Brandon at Kleemann. Just ask him how long the tire marks were on the CLK43K. I saw the pics, were nearly 100 FEET LONG!!!
