BiTurboAmg

I was looking at the gt3's at they weigh in at 3085lbs with 415hp and the clk63 is about 3900lbs with 507hp. They are very close in the weight to power with the gt3 having a bit more. Will th clk63 keep up with the gt3? I saw a fully loaded gt3 over the weekend and the price was 136k so that is pretty close to the clk63. I think the gt3 wins in the brake dept though. Any thoughts on this. Also what do you guys think the tuners will make for this car? Can we get 50-60hp out of that 63 engine? I do not think it is more tweaked then the cl63 or e63 etc.

Acez

Talking about laws of physics. lol.
GT3 wins hands down. Less mass, less inertia.

same reason why zonda's braking power were godlike.

x-tian-230k

Jude,

Are you talking CLK63 black series? The regular CLK63 is no were close to 136k.

*EDIT*

I didn't see the title CLK63 BE. I am guessing BE stands for Black edition.

Jim Brady

Here's my $.02. A loaded GT3 will weight in around 3200 and if the price is 136K as you posted, its got everything including the kitchen sink. Keep in mind porsche published weights are near impossible to duplicate. AMG's are within a few lbs. of the published weights.

I considered a GT3, and as a practical concern, a GT3 isn't a daily driver. To get the performance and the figures are impressive, you've got to rev the hell out of it. Not a plus in LA freeway traffic. On the positive side, fantastic grip and a out of the box race car with only some suspension adjustment.
It's a 7:43 car with R tires around the Nurburgring. The CLK 63BS has been clocked at 7:45, which isn't slow and shows a lot of engineering when into this car. In a straight line the CLK 63 would seem to have the advantange. I like the fact that I can get two golf bags in the CLK. I will go out on a limb and predict that CLK would be easier to drive high the average guy. For the track junkie its a GT3, for an older track junkie who've had high reving mounts, it's CLK 63BS hands down.
BTW, did anyone notice the CLK63 BS has additional trans, p/s and engine coolers.

norb

For a pure experience, go with the GT3. Its a bonafide track car.

grussell

They are 2 different cars......

You need both.

transferred

If you can stump up the extra, go for the GT3RS. PCCBs are the best production brakes in the world, btw.

MBH

A 997 GT3 would win every time around any track vs. the CLK63 Black series.

Jim Brady

And it would loose virtually every street race against a CLK 63BS. Since less than 1% of a GT3 time will be on a track your point is well taken. for a race car but thats not real world. I don't know if you've lived with a track car on the street, I've got one and its good for an hour on the street or track days. AMG hit the nail on the head building a useable car that can do both.

AMG_55

i saw the car car @ amg challenge and it looked amazing. but; imo, they screwed up. i asked the head of amg (or whoever he was ) how much it weighs and he said 4200lbs, i was like if they made the car 3500-3600lbs it would have been perfect. same problem w/ the slr. companies need to realize that adding hp wont solve ****, all they are doing is making it necessary for everything to be bigger and adding more weight. instead of adding more power they need to look at ways to get rid of the weight. i know 3xxxlbs doesnt sound as nice as 500hp when it comes to marketing though heavier cars also use more brakes, tires etc... ive been driving my 997S harder than ive ever driven my clk and got more mi out of the rears (by about 3k mi) same tire on both.
GT3>any mb (inc. slr), im a little biased, i like real sports cars and im 24

L8Apex

I agree.

More importantly... how about some pics of the 993tt 3.8? I had a 964 3.6t with the ANDIAL "s" conversion and boy do I miss it.

BMWEATR

wrong, I love the gt3's but i have 35 minutes of video of my E55 crushing them at the track, it all comes down to drivers and i think you could put lewis hamilton in a gt3 then a 63 bs and it would be about the same in lap times. We need the stig!!lolol "top speed"

Jim Brady

L8Apex,
Check out Rennlist under 993 trubo, Andial 3.8 registry. My avatar is a fair pic, screen name in JJayB. Since this is a MB board I respect that.

L8Apex

I should have put 2 and 2 together. Jimmy the traffic school king.
Good to see another rennlist guy over here too.

AMG_Power

i think the clk black series would more difficult to allocate than the gt3, but if it was me i would go with the turbo!!

Hamann7

You must have been driving with a bunch of novices on a warm up lap or something.

I would love to see your E55 "crush" my GT3 at the race track. Unless you are a top pro driver, you would be hard pressed to pass a well-driven GT3, especially on R-tires.

I own both, and in my opinion the E55 may be the worst handling car I've ever owned.

grussell

An E55 against a GT3! LOL! Thats a good one! They are not even close on the track! E55 handles like crap on the track!

H-MAN

I'd buy the GT3 over the CLK63BS, hands down. I believe the GT3 is a better sports car in every way, looks better and is $30K cheaper. Sure the 63 would win in a street race, but I can't even remember the last time someone wanted to line up against me.

Jim Brady

The CLK63 black isn't for everyone. The 997 GT3 is a great sports car and you should buy it as it will make a great track car since you get no street races where you live. The price difference is non existant when you start checking boxes on the order sheet at your authorized porsche dealer. With like features and equipment its a close on price. With Nav, chronos, PCCB's
carbon and lights its 133k. Oh,..and I'll drive to the country club cause you can't get two golf bags in the GT3.

DMin

Different strokes for different folks.

Personally, I would like to hear from someone who has driven both the 997 GT3 and the CLK63be and who can compare the two cars in real-world driving situations, not at the track. Unless you are a real track junkie, most of the time any of us will spend in our cars will be on regular roads, etc.

Having previously owned a 996 GT3, I can tell you the ride was harsh on the street, and that's putting it nicely. I have heard that the 997 version is much more tractable on regular pavement and in that way a tremendous improvement from a daily driver standpoint. I have also read that the CLK63be is harsh and noisy, but I am sure that's by MB standards, so you can't really compare unless you've driven both.

Given the fact that I am trying to decide on a 997 GT2 or a CLK63be, such knowledge would be helpful.

magwheel

I agree with the fact that almost everyone here minus a few 'die hards', will not track our GT3s or BEs. Tracking your car is fine.... I'm just not into beating up on a fine machine such as a GT3. If I were inclined to have the desire to track a car, I would go 'gung ho' and build a car specifically for the track.

That being said..... comparing a BE to a GT2 is not fair. I had a 2003 GT2. It was brutally fast and I really miss it. BUT..... I traded it on my 2004 Carrera GT which I think most of you would say was a good move. The BE is supposed to sticker around $135,000 or so. My 2003 GT2 had a base window sticker of $182,000. With its huge list of options, the total was $205,700. Besides the enormous price difference...... I personally think the 2008 GT2 would absolutely smoke the BE!

Even still.... I'm excited about getting my hands on my White CLK63BE which should arrive late August or early September.

If you're into ferocious & outrageous speed, you gotta go with the GT2. I'm just a little disappointed that the GT2 doesn't look at least as crazy or more vicious than the GT3RS. Being the 'Flagship Car' (of the 911s), it should look like it's from Outer Space! Mags

ItalianStallion

Who tracks an MB???

I understand going to the track for fun and all, but I wouldn't dream of comparing a real track car to a luxury car in track car clothing.

scrapes55

It would be a very expensive track day. I used to goto track with my bike alot. You litterally cook the tires, shortening their life due to heat/cool cycles.

A set of four going around 1000-1300 not sure that would be a smart move.

grussell

I wouldn't buy the CLK for a track car. There are several other choices that make better track cars for many reasons.

The CLK will make a great DD for those that are hardcore and track other cars on a regular basis.

tee_tz

I can't believe this is being discussed. I've never driven a CLK63 BE, but there's no way in any driving situation (roads, snow, mountain top, track) it'll beat a Porsche GT3. And Porsche's are very drivable for everyday. It's got more horsepower, but that's all; Porsche has everything else.

An E55 beat a Porsche on a track??, LOL - that's laughable; and it's "Top Gear" not "Top Speed".

Mags, you brought the CLK63 B.E.?? Wow, congrats another to stable; I didn't even see that you swapped your SL550 -- I'll try searching for the photos later. Did you get to test drive the CLK63, how was it?


Tee_Tz.