Is the Black Series just a 08 model or will there be 09's
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Is the Black Series just a 08 model or will there be 09's
I'm hoping its strictly a 2008 model and after its 350 USA run its over and done, but have any of you heard to the contrary?
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The 2008 is the only year they will offer a CLK Black Series (current body). They offered a very limited run of special order SLK Black Series in 2007. They are going to be offering an SL (rumored to be a 65) Black Series for 2009. A fixed roof version of the AMG CLK 63 should be headed to north america in 2009 (from very reliable source). The 2009 Fixed roof CLK 63 is rumored to have a 525-550 hp motor, similarly tuned to the motor being offered in the 2008 C63. This fixed roof CLK will not have the wide body kit, carbon fiber/composite body panels, adjustable suspension or forged wheels that come on the Black Series.
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The 2008 is the only year they will offer a CLK Black Series (current body). They offered a very limited run of special order SLK Black Series in 2007. They are going to be offering an SL (rumored to be a 65) Black Series for 2009. A fixed roof version of the AMG CLK 63 should be headed to north america in 2009 (from very reliable source). The 2009 Fixed roof CLK 63 is rumored to have a 525-550 hp motor, similarly tuned to the motor being offered in the 2008 C63. This fixed roof CLK will not have the wide body kit, carbon fiber/composite body panels, adjustable suspension or forged wheels that come on the Black Series.
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That is what I was told by a pretty high ranking person within MB North America. I don't think I should disclose his name or title, but that is what I was told about 2 months ago. The final engine figures where not decided, but was told that it would be at least 525hp and as much as 550hp, and he specifically mentioned the C63 engine package. I will add that this person told me about the CLK Black Series over a year ago, before it was "Public Knowledge" and the info and specs he quoted me at that time were right on the money. This comes from a very reliable source.
Maybe they are waiting to decide on actual engine figures until BMW releases the new M3 and they get some real world performance figures on it. We all know M-B and BMW have been in "Power Struggle" over the past several years. M-B has become famous for one-upping BMW in the HP wars over the past 4-5 years.
Maybe they are waiting to decide on actual engine figures until BMW releases the new M3 and they get some real world performance figures on it. We all know M-B and BMW have been in "Power Struggle" over the past several years. M-B has become famous for one-upping BMW in the HP wars over the past 4-5 years.
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This is true. But this is also the reason why BMW's are typically known for being a drivers car (and MB's are drag/autobahn cars) as they do not simply keep throwing HP at cars but reducing weight and driving dynamics to make the car more fun to drive and engaging. Anyone can make lots of hp...but I digress.
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The 2008 is the only year they will offer a CLK Black Series (current body). They offered a very limited run of special order SLK Black Series in 2007. They are going to be offering an SL (rumored to be a 65) Black Series for 2009. A fixed roof version of the AMG CLK 63 should be headed to north america in 2009 (from very reliable source). The 2009 Fixed roof CLK 63 is rumored to have a 525-550 hp motor, similarly tuned to the motor being offered in the 2008 C63. This fixed roof CLK will not have the wide body kit, carbon fiber/composite body panels, adjustable suspension or forged wheels that come on the Black Series.
.........why does this not suprise me? Sell the CLK63 BS for $130K to a few AMG diehards. Tell them no fixed roof CLK will be coming to the US, then introduce the fixed roof CLK63 with the same HP minus the track car stuff to the rest of us for $70K. The first time the AMG CLK will not be playing second fiddle to the rest of the AMG line up. It should do very well. I keep making my point, folks should stop falling for the marketing hype.
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I'm going to open a huge can of worms here. I made a phone call tonight to confirm my above statement. I was off on the HP rating, he quoted me 500-525hp (sorry) and confirmed it to be the current body car. He also mentioned something about a manual transmission that was tested. If this is indeed the case, we all got sold a bill of goods with the BS. Equal to greater HP, a real transmission and probably under $100k. For the extra $40k I would have slapped some adjustable suspension and built the hell out of it and still been money ahead. I guess we have to wait and see, auto show season is here. Keep your eyes and ears peeled!
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I'm going to open a huge can of worms here. I made a phone call tonight to confirm my above statement. I was off on the HP rating, he quoted me 500-525hp (sorry) and confirmed it to be the current body car. He also mentioned something about a manual transmission that was tested. If this is indeed the case, we all got sold a bill of goods with the BS. Equal to greater HP, a real transmission and probably under $100k. For the extra $40k I would have slapped some adjustable suspension and built the hell out of it and still been money ahead. I guess we have to wait and see, auto show season is here. Keep your eyes and ears peeled!
I'm not quite sure why everyone is second guessing what a bad a-ss car AMG produced.
PS - if that car is made...there is no way it'll have a manual tranny.
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None of this makes any sense. Why in the world would MB try to sell a regular CLK63 coupe with the same or more hp than the Black Series? A manual transmission? Even more ridiculous IMO. I don't believe any of it, it sounds way off base. A regular CLK63 for 100K would be a huge flop no matter how much power it has. Part of the lure of the BS is the different body and chassis. To put the same engine into a stock chassis/body CLK would be a mistake to say the least.
If the CLK63 Black Series returns for the 2009 model year it might have the transmission (MCT) from the 09' SL63 which appears to be the 7G-Tronic minus the torque converter, it being repaced by some type of wet clutch pack or something similar. Details are sketchy on this until the 09' SL63 info is released.
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If the CLK63 Black Series returns for the 2009 model year it might have the transmission (MCT) from the 09' SL63 which appears to be the 7G-Tronic minus the torque converter, it being repaced by some type of wet clutch pack or something similar. Details are sketchy on this until the 09' SL63 info is released.
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.........why does this not suprise me? Sell the CLK63 BS for $130K to a few AMG diehards. Tell them no fixed roof CLK will be coming to the US, then introduce the fixed roof CLK63 with the same HP minus the track car stuff to the rest of us for $70K. The first time the AMG CLK will not be playing second fiddle to the rest of the AMG line up. It should do very well. I keep making my point, folks should stop falling for the marketing hype.
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None of this makes any sense. Why in the world would MB try to sell a regular CLK63 coupe with the same or more hp than the Black Series? A manual transmission? Even more ridiculous IMO. I don't believe any of it, it sounds way off base. A regular CLK63 for 100K would be a huge flop no matter how much power it has. Part of the lure of the BS is the different body and chassis. To put the same engine into a stock chassis/body CLK would be a mistake to say the least.
If the CLK63 Black Series returns for the 2009 model year it might have the transmission (MCT) from the 09' SL63 which appears to be the 7G-Tronic minus the torque converter, it being repaced by some type of wet clutch pack or something similar. Details are sketchy on this until the 09' SL63 info is released.
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If the CLK63 Black Series returns for the 2009 model year it might have the transmission (MCT) from the 09' SL63 which appears to be the 7G-Tronic minus the torque converter, it being repaced by some type of wet clutch pack or something similar. Details are sketchy on this until the 09' SL63 info is released.
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.........I'm not sure where everyone is getting $100K from for the fixed roof CLK63. Are you just trying to make it look more expensive and not worth it? It will have to be priced less than the E63. the E63 is $90K. So if indeed this car comes stateside, expect it to be around $75-80K which will be a very good deal.
.......The CLK63 fixed roof as I understand it already exists in this current chasis in Europe.
......As far as HP is concered, the C63 already has 475HP, so the CLK63 fixed roof if it comes stateside will be expected to have more HP than the C63. Why does the HP on the CLK63 fixed roof matter to BS fans? I thought the BS was all about the "track performance" so why do you care?
........AGAIN. If you like a car, buy it. Don't fall for the marketing nonsense. No MB is not build it just for you and protect your investment. You are not their brother. It is a simply a business transaction. MB is in business to make money. The AMG CLK represents a golden opportunity for MB to build a reasonably priced sporty coupe that it can sell in high numbers. Why is this not clear to everyone? So you think that in order to keep the 300 or so CLK63 BS owners in the US happy, MB will give up on the potential millions of dollars that it could make from the CLK63 fixed roof in the US?
.........I have no special knowledge that the CLK63 fixed roof is indeed coming to the Us, but from the way people are reacting it appears they bought their CLK63 BS for the wrong reasons.
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Ted what is your beef with Mercedes? You seem very angry/bitter about something.
I really don't see a regular CLK63 coming here until the next generation CLK, but we'll see.
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I really don't see a regular CLK63 coming here until the next generation CLK, but we'll see.
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...........Back to cars. As far as CLK63 fixed roof coming to the US this generation or next generation: here is my quote.
I have no special knowledge that the CLK63 fixed roof is indeed coming to the Us
.......Do you have any comments about my comments regarding pricing, HP etc of the CLK63 fixed roof or do you just want to play Dr. Phil on Mbworld?
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Nothing "borders" me. Well Ted your response pretty much says it all IMO. Sounds very personal so I'll leave it at that because it really isn't that serious. You seem to go on and on with such an attitude about things that really don't make much sense and I was just wondering why.
Anyway I would expect a regular CLK63 Coupe to be about 20K more than a CLK550 coupe as usual AMG practice. If they do decide to try a regular AMG CLK coupe again.
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Anyway I would expect a regular CLK63 Coupe to be about 20K more than a CLK550 coupe as usual AMG practice. If they do decide to try a regular AMG CLK coupe again.
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