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Old Apr 28, 2020 | 01:53 PM
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maybe you missed my post, but no need to trick gearbox ecu if you can tune it. 7.229 flashing from magic motorsports was just emailed to me, have not seen if alientech or others can flash 722.9 vgsnag or nag2 yet
How's the tune? Did it make any difference? Are you able to adjust any parameters?
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Old Apr 28, 2020 | 01:59 PM
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How's the tune? Did it make any difference? Are you able to adjust any parameters?
i dont have a trans tune done to mine, just vgsnag coding
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Old May 21, 2020 | 04:17 PM
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Btw iam about to sell this car and can offer the complete pacakge of twin gtx 3071r turbos, twin garrett water to air intercooler, water/meth injection and trunk ice tank (including 130l min intercooler pump and heat exchanger) for $12k ready to go. You can install this pacakge on any m278 or m157 for 1000+hp (need ecu tune) or the whole car for $39999 USD The car is currenly at 92k miles and run like new. All possible options, new 19 inch wheels, brakes etc and many more. I went with w213 amg and drive this car only on weekends. PM for more info
How much whp did you manage to get out of the m157 turbos? Bought a pair for my 2014 E550 cabrio and we are hopping to get a little over 650whp with the m157 turbos and billet upgrade.
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Old May 28, 2020 | 05:56 PM
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Any one knows the part number of the pipes needed to split the IC water cooling from the rest of the engine circuit ?

Would apreciate the help thanks.
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Old May 29, 2020 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by gaiex
Hi guys,

Any one knows the part number of the pipes needed to split the IC water cooling from the rest of the engine circuit ?

Would apreciate the help thanks.
Should be similar to this if not the same:

https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...r-circuit.html
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Old May 30, 2020 | 05:24 PM
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Should be similar to this if not the same:

https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...r-circuit.html
Thanks for the help.

I've been looking from the engine bay and my car allready have the IC expansion tank and the pipes related.
So I have to take the car on the lift to look underside and see search for "Y" pipe...

By the way to install the CW100.2 or .3 pump the wiring and plug will be different ?
Any aditional water IC radiator that will fitt with no major mods ?
Were to intersect/connect in the IC water circuit for better flow and cooling with the extra rad ?

Thanks
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Old Feb 7, 2021 | 02:48 PM
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Im not sure if this is the right thread or not but i am new here and have been doing alot of research but i just need a good answer. Im debating between a 2012 cls550 rwd and 2012 cls550 4matic. How bad is traction on the rwd with a tune? I have read LSD being swapped into the awd but i havent heard anyone talk about it for rwd. To make it short, will the LSD allow the rwd to handle the power any good?
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Old Feb 7, 2021 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmightyyGio
Im not sure if this is the right thread or not but i am new here and have been doing alot of research but i just need a good answer. Im debating between a 2012 cls550 rwd and 2012 cls550 4matic. How bad is traction on the rwd with a tune? I have read LSD being swapped into the awd but i havent heard anyone talk about it for rwd. To make it short, will the LSD allow the rwd to handle the power any good?
I think the 63S (2014+) has an LSD. Not 100% sure though.
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Old Feb 7, 2021 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmightyyGio
Im not sure if this is the right thread or not but i am new here and have been doing alot of research but i just need a good answer. Im debating between a 2012 cls550 rwd and 2012 cls550 4matic. How bad is traction on the rwd with a tune? I have read LSD being swapped into the awd but i havent heard anyone talk about it for rwd. To make it short, will the LSD allow the rwd to handle the power any good?
I have a 2014 550 rwd, my launch would go into limp when I first got tuned, told tuner and they fixed, stop going limp but my launch still sucks, wish I’d got the 4matic. That’s my .02

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Old Feb 10, 2021 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Dblok1113
I have a 2014 550 rwd, my launch would go into limp when I first got tuned, told tuner and they fixed, stop going limp but my launch still sucks, wish I’d got the 4matic. That’s my .02
you dont think adding LSD would help big time? Isnt the cls63 open differential as well?
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Old Feb 10, 2021 | 09:49 AM
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I would really get a 2014 cls 63s, they r faster and they do have lsd in the rear. I think it may have been optional before that

i can confirm what dblok is saying if u spin tires the computers cut power like a toyota. Not like a range rover where it just brakes on slipping wheel. Even with 4matic on a 550 with ecu tune u can spin the tires easily and cut power

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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmightyyGio
you dont think adding LSD would help big time? Isnt the cls63 open differential as well?
I would like to do that to my 550

QUOTE=cls5504matic;8267763]I would really get a 2014 cls 63s, they r faster and they do have lsd in the rear. I think it may have been optional before that


i can confirm what dblok is saying if u spin tires the computers cut power like a toyota. Not like a range rover where it just brakes on slipping wheel. Even with 4matic on a 550 with ecu tune u can spin the tires easily and cut power[/QUOTE]

very frustrating I live in Kissimmee and there’s a decent car scene out here for import, American, and of course your Honda’s but nothing worse than ripping and getting your opening and slamming the gas to take off and power cuts and the car just coast around 25 🤦‍♂️ After I got it tuned again it didn’t happen while driving but the car nowhere near pulls like the initial tune did, but still beats almost anything around here with ease except for a local hellcat and my friends tuned Gtr. Other than that it’s an absolute blast. I want to track it and really do some serious upgrades to the turbos and cooling system but now this lsd has got me thinking where do I find it and how much is it going to cost because if I’m going to be upgrading to some bigger turbos and I can’t handle the power now I’m going to need the lsd..........
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dblok1113
very frustrating I live in Kissimmee and there’s a decent car scene out here for import, American, and of course your Honda’s but nothing worse than ripping and getting your opening and slamming the gas to take off and power cuts and the car just coast around 25 🤦‍♂️ After I got it tuned again it didn’t happen while driving but the car nowhere near pulls like the initial tune did, but still beats almost anything around here with ease except for a local hellcat and my friends tuned Gtr. Other than that it’s an absolute blast. I want to track it and really do some serious upgrades to the turbos and cooling system but now this lsd has got me thinking where do I find it and how much is it going to cost because if I’m going to be upgrading to some bigger turbos and I can’t handle the power now I’m going to need the lsd..........

Turn off ESP, dyno mode for complete off

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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 10:56 PM
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I know exactly what u mean bro, first pull stage 2, right from muffler shop, I got burned by a freaking toyota camry because i hit the gas a bit too hard and the system decided to cut off power.

But yo the TCU tune helps out a lot putting power down. I went with morendi and it's not that expensive. I'd guess a lot less than a LSD once u factor install. I would like to put in a torsen at some point though.
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 11:43 PM
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[QUOTE=cls5504matic;8268992]I know exactly what u mean bro, first pull stage 2, right from muffler shop, I got burned by a freaking toyota camry because i hit the gas a bit too hard and the system decided to cut off power.


But yo the TCU tune helps out a lot putting power down. I went with morendi and it's not that expensive. I'd guess a lot less than a LSD once u factor install. I would like to put in a torsen at some point though.[/QUOTE

Thats right I still gotta do the tcu tune. Weistec sent me an email about it I believe. I’m going to actually look at that this weekend. I’m doing some maitenence on her this weekend, I still got this coolant leak so I’m going to attempt with help to put that lower hose in and hopefully get it in there and fix the leak, if not it’s looking like could be water pump either way I checked and they have it in stock, I also am going to attempt to fix the airmatic valve leak by replacing the airmatic valve unit and figure out where this oil is coming from no check engines amd I will order tcu tune this weekend I think as well and get here ready for a few 1/4 mile runs and a run on the dyno and then back in the garage for more mods lol but that would be sweet to have a nice launch with the stage 2 tunes and see what they are pushing 1/4 mile. I’m going to try turning off tc and put in dyno mode and do a few runs with the original weistec file, I do have both files, plus the stock file so I’d love to see how they perform. Just gotta get through these small issues I got now. Anyway I’ll keep posted on progress and a new thread with tcu tune once obtained and very excited to get some time to put in on the car this weekend
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Old Feb 16, 2021 | 10:15 AM
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Hello does anyone know how to get ahold of gardevsk , it seems he sold the car and hasn't been active for a while. I could use his expertise if anyone has a direct contact??
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Old Feb 16, 2021 | 02:18 PM
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I think G runs madness motorsports? Not 100% but pretty sure.
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Old Feb 16, 2021 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by nhoj_yelbom
Turn off ESP, dyno mode for complete off
Haven't played with dyno mode too much, but even with ESP off stage 2 will spin and cut power on a 4matic. I think the TCU tune really helps with putting the power down.
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Old Feb 17, 2021 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cls5504matic
Haven't played with dyno mode too much, but even with ESP off stage 2 will spin and cut power on a 4matic. I think the TCU tune really helps with putting the power down.
I gotta get the tcu tune, any suggestions, I don’t think weistec has one yet for the m278 someone else posted where they got their tcu tune but when I looked up company couldn’t find anything.
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Old Feb 17, 2021 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dblok1113
I gotta get the tcu tune, any suggestions, I don’t think weistec has one yet for the m278 someone else posted where they got their tcu tune but when I looked up company couldn’t find anything.
Eurocharged in orlando does the tcu tune. The tune is trans specific not engine. I need to make a trip up there myself for that and some dyno time.
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Old Feb 17, 2021 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by cls5504matic
Haven't played with dyno mode too much, but even with ESP off stage 2 will spin and cut power on a 4matic. I think the TCU tune really helps with putting the power down.
Dyno mode won't help either (maybe slightly) but I tried multiple times even on drag radials, the nannies will always kick in. going to give that tcu tune a shot here soon, still doing more data logging and draggy info first. Does your car still cut power after the tune?

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Old Feb 17, 2021 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by blaise
Eurocharged in orlando does the tcu tune. The tune is trans specific not engine. I need to make a trip up there myself for that and some dyno time.
Makes sense and that’s good to know they are local to me like 30 minutes away I’m a have to give them a call ... tomorrow lol
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Old Apr 29, 2021 | 01:59 AM
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Thank you for your request. Yes i'll share all the parts needed when i have more time. Some parts are required some not (there was no info as this is the first build m278)

Here are some pictures of my cooling setup including the two oil coolers at the front and the Meth in the trunk (pictures taken while installation in progress).








The bottom line: I have invested ~17-20k USD in the build. If i build it again will go under 13-14k as some parts are not required (same as the m278 engine). The most expensive are the M157 turbochargers that you can get as low as 4-5k second hand (they need to be less than 30k miles) and new up to 10k, ECU tuning about 2-3k (few sessions included), intercooler system upgrade 1.5k, Aquamist hfs4 1k, oil cooler upgrade (not needed if your engine is equiped with oil cooler from the factory) 1k including the oil lines and AN10 hoses and AN10 fittings, Exhaust system, full dual 3 inch from the turbochargers to the mufflers 4-7k. Turbo-back downpipes are required (for example my cls63 fell off a cliff after 5.8k rpm -100hp till redline due to restricted flow of the stock turbo-back downpipes), Quaife LSD 1.5k, AMG front and back brakes (required!!) 3k. Labor for engine removal (turbocharges installation) 380 USD here in Bulgaria LOL.. All other installations except the ECU tune are performed by me including the build of the exhaust, downpipes (including 3d printing and 3d design), meth installation, cooler installations etc..

Overall i preffer this car over any rear wheel drive 700hp+ AMG

Will check for the ECU tune and will let you know.
Hey Can you share your tune file?
i have just installed amg turbos on my e550 convertible and now ecu tunning is the problem, my tuner can't tune it past 1bar, afr, ignition timing etc everything is perfect in the dyno it put down 500whp but in the street my car is slower than when it was stage 1..
my e550 mods are: amg turbos, amg gts oem spark plugs, cls63 full decat downpipes, separated cooling with big heat exchanger, kn filters, amg fuel pumps. I can feel power below 3k rpm then it dies past that..
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 04:45 PM
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Hey Can you share your tune file?
i have just installed amg turbos on my e550 convertible and now ecu tunning is the problem, my tuner can't tune it past 1bar, afr, ignition timing etc everything is perfect in the dyno it put down 500whp but in the street my car is slower than when it was stage 1..
my e550 mods are: amg turbos, amg gts oem spark plugs, cls63 full decat downpipes, separated cooling with big heat exchanger, kn filters, amg fuel pumps. I can feel power below 3k rpm then it dies past that..

have you gotten this figured out? who is doing the Tuning?

I'm having some similar problems and hoping to find someone that can help with my tuning issues. I'm trying to get to 1.5 bar to see where I can safely.run my car. As you my car falls flat after about 4k and literally around 100mph.....
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 09:41 PM
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Big Thanks for trailblazing this path for the m278 w/s63 turbos!

Really want to shout out a huge thanks and kudos to the OP Gardevski for sharing this log of his work and progress on modding the m278…This is something I have wanted to do for a long time now and you have made it so much easier by being the first to put in the R&D, sweat equity and cash investment to take your dream from mere thoughts to reality…Props, my man!

I plan to start and complete mine in 2022 as well, but on a slightly different platform and look forward to the results. I parted out my 2016 S63 coupe after an unfortunate disaster the dealer caused, and kept the turbos, the AMG brakes, and the RennTech gear…As I plan to put that all on my 2013 E550 Coupe.

My plan is similar,
1 Swap out the m278 turbos with the S63 AMG turbos
2. Fab a custom SS manifold/DP set to replace the stock set up.
3. Modify the whole RennTech exhaust to fit the E Coupe, install that along with the 200 CEL free flow exhausts as well as the RennTech SS rear valved mufflers. Thereby replacing the whole stock exhaust set up.
4. Add colder plugs.
5. Fab a custom secondary Intercooler, although I’m considering an interchiller…Either way, cooling has to be upgraded to avoid heat soak.
6. Add water/meth injection…Really like Weistec’s but it’s pricey for what you get and Aquamist is excellent for ahold the price…BTW, the Weistec looks like a customized Aquamist made to their specs…In particular the tubing, which looks first rate.
7. Add a Quaife LSD
8. custom dyno tune from EuroCharged…
9. 19” wheels, probably made to order…
10. Lots of AMG accoutrements for the exterior and the interior, but NO AMG Badge on the Trunk, as the car is not an AMG like my S63 was. I have added the Mercedes “S” to the end of the E550 moniker so it is badged E550s and I’ll ok with that as I’ve definitely modified the car at that point…
11. I’ve already modified the OEM intake boxes so that there is no intake restriction from the stock design and upgraded to K&N filters as well
12. Adding the aftermarket touch screen/apple car play as well as lots of custom carbon fiber parts to the interior…and some alcantara.

I would have done this already, but Covid put a big slow down on a lot of my plans a few year ago…

figured fuel would become an issue, so wil add that to the scope as well.

I’ve built much more aggressive projects in my past so, I’m up for this, just have to set aside the time and will not let the cost get in the way of investing as that paramount in these times…

thanks again for the road map and the inspiration!

I wonder how it will be as a rear wheel beast as my set up is rear wheel…

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