M278 to M157 turbos and AMG fuel pumps?

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Aug 16, 2021 | 03:18 PM
  #101  
Quote: Okay thanks. I was really trying to find a place where I can add the second pump but I didn't figure out the place for it. If you can put two pumps and that huge 4.5l extra radiator it should work great!

I will have my final custom ECU tune session in mid. September. Lets see how much power the shooting brake can produce then. After that I can also Dragy 0-60mph, 100-200km/h and 1/4 mile again.

Have u think about the TCU tune? I think it would be must to your set up too.

I will send you a PM later.
i'll do tcu tune sometime next year, i have also blow off valve in my to do list, later this month going to install additional pump and new cooler. Btw anyone building m278 on amg turbos, Only 1 side of fuel pump needs to be changed part number: A 218 470 04 94, second pump is actually in tank fuel filter on 550 models and it's exactly same as in 63 models changing it gives zero difference unless it's very dirty.
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Aug 17, 2021 | 02:57 AM
  #102  
Quote: i'll do tcu tune sometime next year, i have also blow off valve in my to do list, later this month going to install additional pump and new cooler. Btw anyone building m278 on amg turbos, Only 1 side of fuel pump needs to be changed part number: A 218 470 04 94, second pump is actually in tank fuel filter on 550 models and it's exactly same as in 63 models changing it gives zero difference unless it's very dirty.
Yes some people have done that way. There are two things i would think before using the "old" filter and not change to new one. First there is FPR on bottom on the filter, is it same on 550 and AMG? Maybe it can effect fuel delivery. And second is if u change fuel pump why not change the new filter in same time.
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Aug 18, 2021 | 11:10 AM
  #103  
Quote: Yes some people have done that way. There are two things i would think before using the "old" filter and not change to new one. First there is FPR on bottom on the filter, is it same on 550 and AMG? Maybe it can effect fuel delivery. And second is if u change fuel pump why not change the new filter in same time.
during testing car with high boost etc etc fuel delivery never was a problem, actually there's more in them it can even keep up fueling with bigger turbos than amg. When fuel level goes lower than half all the fuel is at pump side. so it doesn't have any effect on performance as fuel is always on pump side and it doesn't have to keep supplying fuel from filter side, so no problem as long as original filter isn't clogged or smth.
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Aug 24, 2021 | 04:39 AM
  #104  
The AMG second fuel pump is not a pump, that''s right.
But at least on my 2011 the wiring is very different and I did not manage to run AMG fuel pump yet
hence I bought the second part, too, to swap altogether.
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Aug 24, 2021 | 06:33 AM
  #105  
Quote: The AMG second fuel pump is not a pump, that''s right.
But at least on my 2011 the wiring is very different and I did not manage to run AMG fuel pump yet
hence I bought the second part, too, to swap altogether.
Yes the wiring is different. You must cut the brown wire. You can see it in Gardevski built thread, post 208, wrote by squantum1 and a picture on that also. So thanks for him.
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Sep 1, 2021 | 01:11 PM
  #106  
New personal best Dragy 0-100kp/h today with this heavy pig. Old was 3,47s and now 3,39s. Still just conservative base tune on. PS4s did help.
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Sep 22, 2021 | 02:07 PM
  #107  
On tuesday 28.10 next week is the final ECU tuning dyno session. Im assuming that the final crank horsepower is something between 660hp-680hp. And more interesting to do is Dragy the car after that and see how it can perform in real world, no just dyno results.
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Sep 28, 2021 | 04:38 PM
  #108  
After tuning session I did Dragy the car 1/4 mile. I did get personal best time. Valid time was 11.09s and trap speed 128.33mp/h. Slope -0,35

Invalid Dragy (too much slope/downhill times were 10.94s and 129.42 trap, Second 10.97s and 130,74 trap.

Just pump gas, no meth, no black boost.... yet
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Oct 7, 2021 | 04:42 PM
  #109  
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Oct 7, 2021 | 04:45 PM
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Oct 10, 2021 | 07:45 AM
  #111  
My this years goal is to go under 11s on 1/4 mile. Some mods to try and a little time left before winter comes.

Heres a picture on this spring.
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Oct 18, 2021 | 03:40 PM
  #112  
Some new stuff. Blackboost intakes. Really nice and would help my M157 turbos to breath better.
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Oct 18, 2021 | 03:41 PM
  #113  

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Oct 18, 2021 | 04:09 PM
  #114  
Any new data post BB Intake?
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Oct 19, 2021 | 02:37 AM
  #115  
Quote: Any new data post BB Intake?
Yes new personal best 0-60! Im really looking forward to try 1/4 mile and 100kp/h-200kp/h pulls. Weather here is really bad day to day, so I hope I can do those in this season.

Also my intake temps were 7-10c above ambient on cruising speeds before BB intake. After BB intake temps are 4-6c over ambient! So on longer pulls I assume the temps are really lower with BB.


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Oct 31, 2021 | 02:47 PM
  #116  
Now its finally done! M278 Shooting brake goes under 11s on 1/4 mile without Ethanol blends or Meth, jus pump gas! Here it is 10.95s

Special thanks go to Blackboost intakes and my great tuner in Finland Motorbit! What a tuner that man!





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Nov 7, 2021 | 04:26 PM
  #117  
New personal best 0-60 time. I have still some rabbits in the hat to try to get some more power out in this year..





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Nov 9, 2021 | 12:32 PM
  #118  
that is amazing!!!!!
i have recently had a pair of M157 turbos Built with bigger turbines ,
did you upgrade any of the cooling in your car or has it just been , the 1 "in tank" fuel pump. intake and turbos? are you using your factory down pipes and the bridge pipes from the m157 turbos.

congrats on the numbers man
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Nov 10, 2021 | 07:57 AM
  #119  
Quote: that is amazing!!!!!
i have recently had a pair of M157 turbos Built with bigger turbines ,
did you upgrade any of the cooling in your car or has it just been , the 1 "in tank" fuel pump. intake and turbos? are you using your factory down pipes and the bridge pipes from the m157 turbos.

congrats on the numbers man
Thanks !

Yes I did add extra heat exchanger (E63 original) on passenger side bumper and connect that on center IC heat exchanger line after IC pump, with custom hoses. You can find some part numbers etc. on this topic. Replace IC pump on same time, my old one was not working good at all.

M278 factory downpipes can't be used in this combo. They are just 60mm (2,36") too tiny. Yes you can use M157 downpipes if you gut the cats. M157 downpipes are 70mm (2,75"). I have Redstar 3" downpipes and E63 AMG cat back now, but I will upgrade that with full 3". I will upgrade extra heat exchanger soon also.

I think bridge pipes are same on M278 and M157. And they are restrictive. If you can, upgrade those. If u have 4 matic then u must upgrade engine mounts also..bigger bridge pipes don't fit if you don't modify/get different engine mounts on 4 magic.

You need to think TCU tune because torque will rise a lot if you go M157 turbos. After TCU tune Firmer shifts, increased line pressure, increased hold pressure etc. And u can't use your new power on 1-3 gears because original TCU limits torque.
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Nov 16, 2021 | 12:56 PM
  #120  
I Have now installed true 3" cat back. We did remove 2,75" E63 cat back off. It was pancaked here and there and was only 2,25" in some points. So there's better flow now all the way through..




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Dec 12, 2021 | 09:57 AM
  #121  
This is going in next season. Its about 1,2liter bigger than E63S extra heat exchanger that I have now. Its not gonna be bolt on, not even near
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Dec 12, 2021 | 09:59 AM
  #122  

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Dec 13, 2021 | 08:05 PM
  #123  
nice square. Are you doing one or two squares?
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Dec 14, 2021 | 02:40 AM
  #124  
Quote: nice square. Are you doing one or two squares?
Im doing just IC system one. I will send a picture when my car was going to turbo upgrade, so you can see that windshield washer reservoir is in the way and needs to remove and replace somewhere if someone wants to get extra engine water cooler there. Also needs custom hoses etc. Also in the passenger side there were webasto system that we need to remove and go custom hoses so that we could install the extra IC heat exchanger then.
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Dec 14, 2021 | 02:41 AM
  #125  
So here you can see it.
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