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I had another meeting on the GTR BS. Not at liberty to discuss details. I'm confident there is a very good chance to get one. On another note. Some on the forum will know I've always put stripes on my cars. I recently added stripes to my RS and decided not to on my Huracan. So I added some splash color to it. I think it looks good.
when you said a splash of color you meant a literal splash! I like it!
GT63S ePerformance 4dr, '25 Bentayga Black Ed.(wife), Wrangler and 250 MLB(kids)
Originally Posted by soulsea
Honestly, after having a Lava Orange 991.1 GT3RS that color got old real quick for me.
It was ok in the shade, but a real washout in direct sunlight.
This orange looks a little richer and it might have a little more depth ... but hard to tell without seeing it in person.
Generally speaking I find model specific colors to wear on me pretty quickly ... Green Hell magno on the GTR and Lizard Green on the 991.2 GT3RS being good examples ... so I always stay away from them.
Just personal preference as I'm old and boring, cars like this have plenty of 'look at me' in them in them for me without skittle colors ... but can also see and respect why a color like this is appealing for many folks.
I also have this thing where things/women that are inherently beautiful look better when dressed classically, whereas plain looking things/women benefit from more outlandish dressing up.
I'm the same as far as the colors are concerned.
Any unusual color combo may look extremely attractive initially but gets boring to me after a not very long time and makes me want to get rid off sooner then a more classic color would.
I promise it wasn't my intention to insult anyone who likes this color.
Porsches, McLarens and other super/hyper cars are desired and often valued more in 'loud' colors ... it's way to lean into the design and sometimes racing heritage of the brand.
Like I said, mine is the old and boring guy take.
No problem at all. I was being cheeky. All my cars are silver. haha. I love the look of a loud car and then end up with silver...over and over again...wrapped a gt350r dark green once...that was a big step.
GT63S ePerformance 4dr, '25 Bentayga Black Ed.(wife), Wrangler and 250 MLB(kids)
Originally Posted by hyperion667
Uhh! That SUX! Sounds like a big job......glad to hear it wasn't equipment or AM parts.......fawking gas???
GL!
Well, once they started taking it apart, they have found more problems.
Catalytic converters are junk.
Renntech turbos are gone.
Parts and labor about $20k.
I don't want to spend additional $20k on Renntech turbos again, probably will just go back to stock units and live with ECU mods only.
I am seriously considering hanging my hat and replace it with some top notch electric appliance, nothing really to break there and no need for mods as the standard performance is already off the charts (Taycan, Tesla Plaid or maybe even the upcoming Lucid Air)
AMG GTR, G63, Mclaren 675 LT S, 991 GT3 RS, 991 GT3, many more
I have a feeling Benz is going to push the MSRP as far north as possible.
as I mentioned yesterday I went in to pickup my 2020 G63 and when I was doing the paperwork, the owner of the dealer and northeast rep were there. Speaking about BS, the Corp could not stop smiling how they are going for 100K over. The GM said how is that possible when there is no car yet, it’s just talk. Corp continued to say it will be worth it.
Three requests in at my dealer, mine, the owner of dealership(which would be for 100K+ over), and another.
They are playing in choppy waters if it doesn’t perform.
Well, I have a ballpark number in my head as far as how much this car is worth to me should my build be confirmed. And it’s somewhere around the GT2RS price point. If they push it too far past that then someone else is more than welcome to it.
After my 2RS I had already resolved to not bother any more with modern FI sports cars that gain a little more speed than their NA counterparts at the expense of the driving engagement and experience. Since selling the 2RS I’ve only been buying older NA cars and have rediscovered all the emotions that made me fall in love with driving in the first place.
The BS was going to be the exception because of how raw and brutal my GTR felt, more so than many NA cars out there ... but only up to a price point in my smile per $ equation.
AMG GTR, G63, Mclaren 675 LT S, 991 GT3 RS, 991 GT3, many more
Originally Posted by soulsea
Well, I have a ballpark number in my head as far as how much this car is worth to me should my build be confirmed. And it’s somewhere around the GT2RS price point. If they push it too far past that then someone else is more than welcome to it.
After my 2RS I had already resolved to not bother any more with modern FI sports cars that gain a little more speed than their NA counterparts at the expense of the driving engagement and experience. Since selling the 2RS I’ve only been buying older NA cars and have rediscovered all the emotions that made me fall in love with driving in the first place.
The BS was going to be the exception because of how raw and brutal my GTR felt, more so than many NA cars out there ... but only up to a price point in my smile per $ equation.
I concur. I added a few more air-cooled 911s and a 98 NSX. The driving enjoyment is better sometimes with out having 600+ horsepower.
My sales person called me out of the blue few days ago and said there was someone with a confirmed slot that wants to sell the slot for personal reasons. He didn't disclose how much he wanted but he said it would be around $50k. I told him no thanks. Instead I'll hold my deposit for upcoming Huracan STO which will be a direct competitor to the BS. Maybe if I get a BS at list (which I doubt) I'll take the plunge.
Last edited by Performante; Jul 26, 2020 at 12:04 AM.
I have a feeling Benz is going to push the MSRP as far north as possible.
as I mentioned yesterday I went in to pickup my 2020 G63 and when I was doing the paperwork, the owner of the dealer and northeast rep were there. Speaking about BS, the Corp could not stop smiling how they are going for 100K over. The GM said how is that possible when there is no car yet, it’s just talk. Corp continued to say it will be worth it.
Three requests in at my dealer, mine, the owner of dealership(which would be for 100K+ over), and another.
They are playing in choppy waters if it doesn’t perform.
I agree, especially with the 765LT just around the corner. Dealers pushing up with ADM of 100k will find a lot fewer buyers considering the value proposition.
Well, I have a ballpark number in my head as far as how much this car is worth to me should my build be confirmed. And it’s somewhere around the GT2RS price point. If they push it too far past that then someone else is more than welcome to it.
After my 2RS I had already resolved to not bother any more with modern FI sports cars that gain a little more speed than their NA counterparts at the expense of the driving engagement and experience. Since selling the 2RS I’ve only been buying older NA cars and have rediscovered all the emotions that made me fall in love with driving in the first place.
The BS was going to be the exception because of how raw and brutal my GTR felt, more so than many NA cars out there ... but only up to a price point in my smile per $ equation.
+300%. This is why I held onto my CGT until last year...10 years of ownership and countless smiles. NA is priceless
I msg Tim (Shmee150) on IG when I have car releated questions and this is his take on the BS...
"As to allocations I think it will be like the GT2 RS, at first seeming really hard to get with tiny numbers allocated but ultimately a lot of subtle phone calls about finding a slot and eventually more than 1,000 produced. To be fair I have fewer messages this time around than I did in the early days of the Pro where everyone was asking me if they should buy one to make money. I hope that people buy the cars to drive them and not just because they misunderstand the market for these things and want to flip it - which I don't think will work for anything but the first cars."
According to a business friend that was sales manager for a Mercedes dealership- he said the last two Black Series the SLS and C63 were both built over a two year time frame but were very limited. He said they only built a few every month. So he considers the term “built over a time frame” exactly the way they previously did it.
According to a business friend that was sales manager for a Mercedes dealership- he said the last two Black Series the SLS and C63 were both built over a two year time frame but were very limited. He said they only built a few every month. So he considers the term “built over a time frame” exactly the way they previously did it.
SLS BS was limited to 150 units no matter how long it took to manufacture/sell.
Again, I would caution anyone making decisions on these car purchases based on what manufacturers have done in the past.
It is unlikely that MB spent all that time and money developing a car that's so different to the car it's based on to produce just a few hundred cars worldwide.
The car world is different than it used to be when makers were happy to make a few halo cars as a marketing tool. Long gone are the days where the 2RS and 3RS are numbered or intentionally limited edition cars. Ask Pista owners who thought their car was going to be as low production as the Speciale and bought a whole bunch of depreciating bomb Lussos to get one, only to find out that Ferrari will mass produce them. Manufacturers like Porsche and Ferrari will squeeze every penny of profit they can out of almost every model short of their hypercars. And this was before covid, I can't imagine with all the economic pressure MB is under that they will leave money on the table by not making as many as people want. It's not even like the next gen GT release, much less production, is imminent and they have a limited amount of time to make the BS before having to retool.
Who knows how this is going to play out. There is a small chance MB will be disciplined and keep the ethos of the BS series alive without diluting the badge with thousands of them. It is however much more likely that they will trickle in at first, then more and more will be made as dealer requests come in until everyone that wants one gets one. Quite frankly if they were going to limit production they'd have nothing to lose and much to gain by numbering the cars, the fact that they're not doing that speaks volumes. Speculators and 'drive the car for six month free guys' beware, not only because of the above reasons but also because a whole bunch of them are going to drop on eBay and through brokers at first as all the PO customers who don't want them flip them. Chance are that by the time regular allocations are in the market is already saturated or everyone knows that they can get one if they're just a little patient.
Just buy the car if you're into it and can afford to lose money on it, and then none of this matters, and if the market holds then it's a pleasant surprise. And if you like to gamble, there are a lot of ways you can do it with better odds than trying to make money or break even on an AMG.
Again, I would caution anyone making decisions on these car purchases based on what manufacturers have done in the past.
It is unlikely that MB spent all that time and money developing a car that's so different to the car it's based on to produce just a few hundred cars worldwide.
The car world is different than it used to be when makers were happy to make a few halo cars as a marketing tool. Long gone are the days where the 2RS and 3RS are numbered or intentionally limited edition cars. Ask Pista owners who thought their car was going to be as low production as the Speciale and bought a whole bunch of depreciating bomb Lussos to get one, only to find out that Ferrari will mass produce them. Manufacturers like Porsche and Ferrari will squeeze every penny of profit they can out of almost every model short of their hypercars. And this was before covid, I can't imagine with all the economic pressure MB is under that they will leave money on the table by not making as many as people want. It's not even like the next gen GT release, much less production, is imminent and they have a limited amount of time to make the BS before having to retool.
Who knows how this is going to play out. There is a small chance MB will be disciplined and keep the ethos of the BS series alive without diluting the badge with thousands of them. It is however much more likely that they will trickle in at first, then more and more will be made as dealer requests come in until everyone that wants one gets one. Quite frankly if they were going to limit production they'd have nothing to lose and much to gain by numbering the cars, the fact that they're not doing that speaks volumes. Speculators and 'drive the car for six month free guys' beware, not only because of the above reasons but also because a whole bunch of them are going to drop on eBay and through brokers at first as all the PO customers who don't want them flip them. Chance are that by the time regular allocations are in the market is already saturated or everyone knows that they can get one if they're just a little patient.
Just buy the car if you're into it and can afford to lose money on it, and then none of this matters, and if the market holds then it's a pleasant surprise. And if you like to gamble, there are a lot of ways you can do it with better odds than trying to make money or break even on an AMG.
Ditto, a really nice discussion Soulsea regarding the transparent dynamics of the current state of “limited” automobile allocations and production.
Buy, if you want it, the GT BS and enjoy the drive. However, if wanting to play the old game, realize asymmetry of information can be a divot in the road.
SLS BS was limited to 150 units no matter how long it took to manufacture/sell.
*This*- I think MB does the limit that they published.
They may offer some of the features in other models thus diluting some of the value of those features, but doubt they will go nuts reproducing BS cars in masses - it will kill the BS concept altogether. What it's worth in the future is anybody's guess. My money is on it fitting the same profile of the SLS BS.
Incidently Mecam sold a 2012 SLS Roadster for 170K last week - very low miles but still tells you something about whether it's the gull wings exclusively that bring top dollar - apparently not. And it wasn't original in that it had some RENNtech touches. Still, this one was estimated between 180K and 200K. My point being there is a market for these at the base level that MB can focus on without compromising the BS line by breaking its own announcement of limited production...in fact, really, the whole line of GTs low low production and limited supply.
GT63S ePerformance 4dr, '25 Bentayga Black Ed.(wife), Wrangler and 250 MLB(kids)
Originally Posted by Skilly
*This*- I think MB does the limit that they published.
They may offer some of the features in other models thus diluting some of the value of those features, but doubt they will go nuts reproducing BS cars in masses - it will kill the BS concept altogether. What it's worth in the future is anybody's guess. My money is on it fitting the same profile of the SLS BS.
Incidently Mecam sold a 2012 SLS Roadster for 170K last week - very low miles but still tells you something about whether it's the gull wings exclusively that bring top dollar - apparently not. And it wasn't original in that it had some RENNtech touches. Still, this one was estimated between 180K and 200K. My point being there is a market for these at the base level that MB can focus on without compromising the BS line by breaking its own announcement of limited production...in fact, really, the whole line of GTs low low production and limited supply.
GT B.S. is not going to be limited like the SLS, MB will milk this model for all they can.
A bit shortsighted on their part, IMO, looking for a short time gain while damaging the concept for the future.
The initial batch of cars are the Edition 1, exclusively for AMG 1 future owners and we are talking 270 units.
Regular B.S. will have 3-4 times that number and that will affect any expected resale values.
GT B.S. is not going to be limited like the SLS, MB will milk this model for all they can.
A bit shortsighted on their part, IMO, looking for a short time gain while damaging the concept for the future.
The initial batch of cars are the Edition 1, exclusively for AMG 1 future owners and we are talking 270 units.
Regular B.S. will have 3-4 times that number and that will affect any expected resale values.
So you think they are going to sell and distribute more BS series priced around $400K USD (and effectively destroy the BS branding) than they have for the entire GT line up in a given model year? I need to buy some Mercedes stock!
So you think they are going to sell and distribute more BS series priced around $400K USD (and effectively destroy the BS branding) than they have for the entire GT line up in a given model year? I need to buy some Mercedes stock!
I don't think your numbers match up to what he's saying.
There were 5,094 GT cars sold in 2018 (before the launch of the 4 door GT), in the US and Europe alone.
I don't think your numbers match up to what he's saying.
There were 5,094 GT cars sold in 2018 (before the launch of the 4 door GT), in the US and Europe alone.
My math was off for sure - largely hyperbole though with the point being that it includes the GT, GTS, GTC, GTR and all variations thereof (Roadsters etc). He's saying more than 1/5th of total sales will be the $400K variant BS - I just don't see that happening. Now for sure, they used the BS branding for the CLK, SLK, SL, C, but those cars were more in reach to the general public - even the C Class was limited to somewhere around 800 units WW and it was 1/4 the cost compared to the SLS, or GT starting point. I think there is a clear delineation between the SLS/ GT and all the others noted.
Besides, I'm pretty sure that they don't want to have the same blunder Porsche had where the the GT3RS was sitting sometimes in quantity at the dealerships just a few short months after its debut. Exclusive would be about the opposite of that and I don't think that's why they have the BS nomenclature, no?
GT B.S. is not going to be limited like the SLS, MB will milk this model for all they can.
A bit shortsighted on their part, IMO, looking for a short time gain while damaging the concept for the future.
The initial batch of cars are the Edition 1, exclusively for AMG 1 future owners and we are talking 270 units.
Regular B.S. will have 3-4 times that number and that will affect any expected resale values.
In short, they would be selling more BS models than Pros. If so, unlike the SLS BS, the car should be solely viewed as the top of the line track variant with very limited collector potential...
In short, they would be selling more BS models than Pros. If so, unlike the SLS BS, the car should be solely viewed as the top of the line track variant with very limited collector potential...
So then the "Pro" nomenclature becomes more valuable than the BS...well, that's some Mercedes Benz BS right there .
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