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Not at liberty to discuss how. I've decided to go for it. I'm hoping this car is sorted and I mean sorted. Here's my thoughts of what this car needs - to be truly special.
1.) Lose several hundred pounds.
2.) Get rid of blind spot, brake/hold, keyless entry, distronic and all of the other crap that adds weight. This is a one off special track car. Not some half track - half luxury amenities all glopped together car.
3.) Better brakes - specifically cooling.
4.) Lightweight bucket seats - no power/memory everything.
5.) Lose a lot of sound deadening/insulation - thus more weight loss.
6.) More power - 650 HP
7.) Improve the programming on the DCT - a bit sluggish in the current iteration.
8.) More carbon, magnesium wheels and less frills.
9.) Carpet - who needs carpet?
10.) Lose weight, lose weight and lose more weight is key.
Since this car will be limited and not mass produced. They don't have to be concerned about customers who can't get a high end burmester in their car and that sort of thing. I'm pretty sure MB doesn't want to launch this car and have it not do a sub 7-minute lap time on the ring. I'm really hoping they knock it out of the park with this car. I have a feeling they are going to. Will post updates on the journey as they become available. Still a lot of unknowns at this point. Final thought: how cool would roll up windows be in this car?
The power ought to be near 650 hp. They've sand bagged the two rungs beneath it. Hopefully the news about the 992 Turbo S being at 650 hp applies some pressure to meet or exceed that number.
Not at liberty to discuss how. I've decided to go for it. I'm hoping this car is sorted and I mean sorted. Here's my thoughts of what this car needs - to be truly special.
1.) Lose several hundred pounds.
2.) Get rid of blind spot, brake/hold, keyless entry, distronic and all of the other crap that adds weight. This is a one off special track car. Not some half track - half luxury amenities all glopped together car.
3.) Better brakes - specifically cooling.
4.) Lightweight bucket seats - no power/memory everything.
5.) Lose a lot of sound deadening/insulation - thus more weight loss.
6.) More power - 650 HP
7.) Improve the programming on the DCT - a bit sluggish in the current iteration.
8.) More carbon, magnesium wheels and less frills.
9.) Carpet - who needs carpet?
10.) Lose weight, lose weight and lose more weight is key.
Since this car will be limited and not mass produced. They don't have to be concerned about customers who can't get a high end burmester in their car and that sort of thing. I'm pretty sure MB doesn't want to launch this car and have it not do a sub 7-minute lap time on the ring. I'm really hoping they knock it out of the park with this car. I have a feeling they are going to. Will post updates on the journey as they become available. Still a lot of unknowns at this point. Final thought: how cool would roll up windows be in this car?
I don't believe anyone has a BS guaranteed unless they have a Project One incoming.
The car is pretty much ready so your wish list is a bit irrelevant I guess?
Car has buckets in most markets already, everyones saying 680bhp, brake cooling on PRO works, DCT in GTR is as fast as it gets so not sure what you're on about there.
Agreed though, car needs to lose weight most importantly but I don't think we'll see more than 50kg.
I don't believe anyone has a BS guaranteed unless they have a Project One incoming.
The car is pretty much ready so your wish list is a bit irrelevant I guess?
Car has buckets in most markets already, everyones saying 680bhp, brake cooling on PRO works, DCT in GTR is as fast as it gets so not sure what you're on about there.
Agreed though, car needs to lose weight most importantly but I don't think we'll see more than 50kg.
Say WHAT? You can only get a BS if you spent the million to get a Project one car????
Why don’t you buy a GT4 for 200k ? 1390 kilograms.....
Not street legal. I think the BS needs to be more like a GT4 for the street of course.
Originally Posted by WhiteBlack
I don't believe anyone has a BS guaranteed unless they have a Project One incoming.
The car is pretty much ready so your wish list is a bit irrelevant I guess?
Car has buckets in most markets already, everyones saying 680bhp, brake cooling on PRO works, DCT in GTR is as fast as it gets so not sure what you're on about there.
Agreed though, car needs to lose weight most importantly but I don't think we'll see more than 50kg.
Didn't say it was guaranteed. Buckets need to be made available for the US market. If this car is 105bhp more at 50kg less. Really no point. They can and have to reduce the weight. They need to think spartan. I think shifting can be improved. PDK makes the DCT in the GTR seem slow in comparison - just my opinion.
Say WHAT? You can only get a BS if you spent the million to get a Project one car????
No, that's not what I mean.
The Project One is delayed by 2 years, All the depositors are being offered GT Blackseries to tide them over. No other allocations have been made whatsoever.
There will be cars going to none project one owners but any dealer that has promised a customer a car is lying at this point.
Not street legal. I think the BS needs to be more like a GT4 for the street of course.
Didn't say it was guaranteed. Buckets need to be made available for the US market. If this car is 105bhp more at 50kg less. Really no point. They can and have to reduce the weight. They need to think spartan. I think shifting can be improved. PDK makes the DCT in the GTR seem slow in comparison - just my opinion.
I find the DCT in the GTR to be fantastic and is a very close second to the PDK. It’s gear change speed and selection of the correct gear on a road course is damn near telepathic IMHO; so much so that many times I leave the gearbox in ‘D’ mode whilst on track, just occasionally pulling and holding the left paddle to initiate a full downshift during trail braking.
Around town even in Sport mode it’s obviously not as quick to change between gears as it is in Race, but there’s no need for it to be especially given the torque of the engine versus the characteristics of the GT3/GT3 RS drivetrain.
Not at liberty to discuss how. I've decided to go for it. I'm hoping this car is sorted and I mean sorted. Here's my thoughts of what this car needs - to be truly special.
1.) Lose several hundred pounds.
2.) Get rid of blind spot, brake/hold, keyless entry, distronic and all of the other crap that adds weight. This is a one off special track car. Not some half track - half luxury amenities all glopped together car.
3.) Better brakes - specifically cooling.
4.) Lightweight bucket seats - no power/memory everything.
5.) Lose a lot of sound deadening/insulation - thus more weight loss.
6.) More power - 650 HP
7.) Improve the programming on the DCT - a bit sluggish in the current iteration.
8.) More carbon, magnesium wheels and less frills.
9.) Carpet - who needs carpet?
10.) Lose weight, lose weight and lose more weight is key.
Since this car will be limited and not mass produced. They don't have to be concerned about customers who can't get a high end burmester in their car and that sort of thing. I'm pretty sure MB doesn't want to launch this car and have it not do a sub 7-minute lap time on the ring. I'm really hoping they knock it out of the park with this car. I have a feeling they are going to. Will post updates on the journey as they become available. Still a lot of unknowns at this point. Final thought: how cool would roll up windows be in this car?
In the USA they don’t allow the bucket seats, that’s why I didn’t buy an SLS Black when I had the opportunity. 200 lb. weight loss at most, doubt any more and certainly no roll up windows lol.
Last edited by Markjayw; Nov 11, 2019 at 12:37 AM.
Not street legal. I think the BS needs to be more like a GT4 for the street of course.
Didn't say it was guaranteed. Buckets need to be made available for the US market. If this car is 105bhp more at 50kg less. Really no point. They can and have to reduce the weight. They need to think spartan. I think shifting can be improved. PDK makes the DCT in the GTR seem slow in comparison - just my opinion.
USA they have to crash test a car with buckets, so 2 cars lol. Mercedes has declined so far. Easy fix, make a Euro one with bucket seats that meets both USA and Euro specs and crash test it.
Either way, Black will have a lot of these parts. Car is 650 pounds less than GTR.
No, know a few teams who have run AMG GT4, one of the most costly and unreliable GT4 cars to run. Not sure that article is correct, rebuilds are almost never quoted in km but Hrs, I believe box on GT4 is 80hrs.
Running as a track slag will reduce costs over racing it but it still many orders of magnitude more expensive to run than any road car. FWIW my E92 race car costs around 4x as much a day to run on track that my GTR.
No, know a few teams who have run AMG GT4, one of the most costly and unreliable GT4 cars to run. Not sure that article is correct, rebuilds are almost never quoted in km but Hrs, I believe box on GT4 is 80hrs.
Running as a track slag will reduce costs over racing it but it still many orders of magnitude more expensive to run than any road car. FWIW my E92 race car costs around 4x as much a day to run on track that my GTR.
Used to work on a E92 race car and yes it was expensive. Had experiences with E46s as well, which I thought was a sweet spot especially the M3 GTR.
I started following MPC. I have spoken a few teams as well. Were you at Petit btw? Caught up with Ben and he mentioned the 2020 AMG GT3 engine was approved to run more hours. IIRC was 25 hours now 40 hours?
That's what I was afraid of, it looks too much like the PRO, which I think looks terrible (the extra aero bits look like cheap aftermarket junk), and they kept that goofy shaped wing.
The wing on the GTR sits in the air that's following the roof line which is why its almost flat. The higher wing on the BS is sitting in air that's travelling parallel to the ground so while the angle of attack looks much steeper, the effective angle relative to the airflow is probably is probably very similar.
That's what I was afraid of, it looks too much like the PRO, which I think looks terrible (the extra aero bits look like cheap aftermarket junk), and they kept that goofy shaped wing.
yeah I’m not sure there is enough of a distinction here. AMG had a lot of time to develop this car.
The reality is the GTR was way more than anybody ever thought and didn’t leave much for improvement. But we will see.....
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The videos where it's idling and the flyby doesn't sound like the 4.0TT we're used to.
I know Tobias said it'll be a different engine but now I can hear it sounds nothing like what we're used to.
Last edited by Southpaw07; Nov 13, 2019 at 12:57 PM.
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