Getting a GTR Black Series...
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MBWorld Members who have GT Black Series cars on order:
benzbell ....959 Magmabeam
jswan724 ..959 Magmabeam
absent ......818 designo Graphite Grey Magno
soulsea .....818 designo Graphite Grey Magno
Vinyl6........197 Obsidian Black
fastmd...... Paint To Order
jn66...........2nd allocation
benzbell ....959 Magmabeam
jswan724 ..959 Magmabeam
absent ......818 designo Graphite Grey Magno
soulsea .....818 designo Graphite Grey Magno
Vinyl6........197 Obsidian Black
fastmd...... Paint To Order
jn66...........2nd allocation
"Paint to order". Is that like Porsche Paint to Sample? Curious what they charge for that and does one have to get approved?
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This car, priced as it is, is going to sit on the showroom floor unless they make them only to specific orders with non refundable deposits.
At $400k plus it has tremendous competition and is not special and original enough to justify that price.
It would make sense only if it really ran circles around all the other cars in the segment, including Pista, 765LT and GT2RS, all of them significantly cheaper in base price.
Based on what we already know, I just don't see it happening.
I have a written confirmation of B.S. but am not going to take it at over $400k most likely, thinking seriously about dropping it.
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Someone got too greedy and there will be consequences.
This car, priced as it is, is going to sit on the showroom floor unless they make them only to specific orders with non refundable deposits.
At $400k plus it has tremendous competition and is not special and original enough to justify that price.
It would make sense only if it really ran circles around all the other cars in the segment, including Pista, 765LT and GT2RS, all of them significantly cheaper in base price.
Based on what we already know, I just don't see it happening.
I have a written confirmation of B.S. but am not going to take it at over $400k most likely, thinking seriously about dropping it.
This car, priced as it is, is going to sit on the showroom floor unless they make them only to specific orders with non refundable deposits.
At $400k plus it has tremendous competition and is not special and original enough to justify that price.
It would make sense only if it really ran circles around all the other cars in the segment, including Pista, 765LT and GT2RS, all of them significantly cheaper in base price.
Based on what we already know, I just don't see it happening.
I have a written confirmation of B.S. but am not going to take it at over $400k most likely, thinking seriously about dropping it.
Without a limited number plaque this thing better have a base msrp around $300k to even be considered by me and to be competitive in its segment.
At $400k this thing might end up being 'limited' by lack of demand rather than intent of exclusivity.
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I've heard under 300K more like 260 - 280K base. However that remains to be seen. For 400K you could get a Pista or 765LT.
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Someone got too greedy and there will be consequences.
This car, priced as it is, is going to sit on the showroom floor unless they make them only to specific orders with non refundable deposits.
At $400k plus it has tremendous competition and is not special and original enough to justify that price.
It would make sense only if it really ran circles around all the other cars in the segment, including Pista, 765LT and GT2RS, all of them significantly cheaper in base price.
Based on what we already know, I just don't see it happening.
I have a written confirmation of B.S. but am not going to take it at over $400k most likely, thinking seriously about dropping it.
This car, priced as it is, is going to sit on the showroom floor unless they make them only to specific orders with non refundable deposits.
At $400k plus it has tremendous competition and is not special and original enough to justify that price.
It would make sense only if it really ran circles around all the other cars in the segment, including Pista, 765LT and GT2RS, all of them significantly cheaper in base price.
Based on what we already know, I just don't see it happening.
I have a written confirmation of B.S. but am not going to take it at over $400k most likely, thinking seriously about dropping it.
Definitely a lost opportunity to keep it rare and special...
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I agree with everyones assessment.
$400k is outside the relm of what I am willing to spend for a car that I want to drive.
We are all patiently waiting for the official Mercedes US pricing release and the Magmabeam color that is now online
https://www.motor1.com/news/435623/m...eries-pricing/
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Look at the Pro...
Who knows whats going through corporate’s mind other than they could stand to recoup the cash from selling as many of these as they can.
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I've taken a chance and committed to a 765LT and that car will be limited by number, but at 765 coupes I'm guessing in this day and age, while still a relatively small number, that's enough cars to meet buyer demand at $400k+. It certainly wasn't difficult for me to get an allocation but perhaps had Covid not happened I'd be sitting on the sidelines.
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On a side note, I have noticed that AMG did not implement a lift system for the Black Series. All of the modern day supercars I can think of do have this as an option....am a bit surprised MB did not create this for buyers I am sure would be willing to pay for.
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Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head...a lot of the manufactures throw around these "limited" editions but I think the reality is they understand the supply and demand for these types of cars. As the BS sounds like it's limited by time, they've calculated how many buyers will actually commit at a certain price point and understand it will take 1-2 years to fulfill these orders...and call it limited when in reality that's what the demand for the car is.
I've taken a chance and committed to a 765LT and that car will be limited by number, but at 765 coupes I'm guessing in this day and age, while still a relatively small number, that's enough cars to meet buyer demand at $400k+. It certainly wasn't difficult for me to get an allocation but perhaps had Covid not happened I'd be sitting on the sidelines.
I've taken a chance and committed to a 765LT and that car will be limited by number, but at 765 coupes I'm guessing in this day and age, while still a relatively small number, that's enough cars to meet buyer demand at $400k+. It certainly wasn't difficult for me to get an allocation but perhaps had Covid not happened I'd be sitting on the sidelines.
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Bit off topic - but question for you fellas thinking of picking up a Mclaren.
Do you guys buy or lease these? No dealership on the Island where I live, but, I take a 1.5hr ferry and I'm at one. I almost picked up the new Mclaren GT but opted to wait to see what the maintenance and reliability would be like due to not being able to get it fixed/serviced where I live.
And if leasing - in the USA do you get good KM options?
I've always bought before but with Mclaren I thought about leasing until I realized the KM allowance was so low here in Canada.
The new 765LT looks like a monster.
Do you guys buy or lease these? No dealership on the Island where I live, but, I take a 1.5hr ferry and I'm at one. I almost picked up the new Mclaren GT but opted to wait to see what the maintenance and reliability would be like due to not being able to get it fixed/serviced where I live.
And if leasing - in the USA do you get good KM options?
I've always bought before but with Mclaren I thought about leasing until I realized the KM allowance was so low here in Canada.
The new 765LT looks like a monster.
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Bit off topic - but question for you fellas thinking of picking up a Mclaren.
Do you guys buy or lease these? No dealership on the Island where I live, but, I take a 1.5hr ferry and I'm at one. I almost picked up the new Mclaren GT but opted to wait to see what the maintenance and reliability would be like due to not being able to get it fixed/serviced where I live.
And if leasing - in the USA do you get good KM options?
I've always bought before but with Mclaren I thought about leasing until I realized the KM allowance was so low here in Canada.
The new 765LT looks like a monster.
Do you guys buy or lease these? No dealership on the Island where I live, but, I take a 1.5hr ferry and I'm at one. I almost picked up the new Mclaren GT but opted to wait to see what the maintenance and reliability would be like due to not being able to get it fixed/serviced where I live.
And if leasing - in the USA do you get good KM options?
I've always bought before but with Mclaren I thought about leasing until I realized the KM allowance was so low here in Canada.
The new 765LT looks like a monster.
Btw the GT is their worst selling car ever, I think 4 total in UK. It does come with an optional sous vide so I guess it might be interesting if you like cooking.
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In the UK everyone leases because they give such a high GFV to make the sales and the depreciation is so wild that people want a fixed cost.
Btw the GT is their worst selling car ever, I think 4 total in UK. It does come with an optional sous vide so I guess it might be interesting if you like cooking.
Btw the GT is their worst selling car ever, I think 4 total in UK. It does come with an optional sous vide so I guess it might be interesting if you like cooking.
Appreciate the insight.
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Part of me wanted to wait as well...either for a leftover showroom car or a lightly used one in a year or two with 1,000 miles, but I had to have Nardo Orange and just from what I've been gathering that's surprisingly not a popular color choice. Didn't want to take that chance.
Bit off topic - but question for you fellas thinking of picking up a Mclaren.
Do you guys buy or lease these? No dealership on the Island where I live, but, I take a 1.5hr ferry and I'm at one. I almost picked up the new Mclaren GT but opted to wait to see what the maintenance and reliability would be like due to not being able to get it fixed/serviced where I live.
And if leasing - in the USA do you get good KM options?
I've always bought before but with Mclaren I thought about leasing until I realized the KM allowance was so low here in Canada.
The new 765LT looks like a monster.
Do you guys buy or lease these? No dealership on the Island where I live, but, I take a 1.5hr ferry and I'm at one. I almost picked up the new Mclaren GT but opted to wait to see what the maintenance and reliability would be like due to not being able to get it fixed/serviced where I live.
And if leasing - in the USA do you get good KM options?
I've always bought before but with Mclaren I thought about leasing until I realized the KM allowance was so low here in Canada.
The new 765LT looks like a monster.
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I loved the spec of the debut car and ended up doing something very similar...Nardo Orange exterior and calipers, carbon exterior, full MSO sills, Senna seats. Went with all the no cost options, A/C, 12 speaker, and 360 camera. I didn't go for the roof scoop however as it's price is jaw dropping and it does not look well implemented unlike the 600LT and 675LT imo. I'm told Feb/Mar delivery as of now.
Part of me wanted to wait as well...either for a leftover showroom car or a lightly used one in a year or two with 1,000 miles, but I had to have Nardo Orange and just from what I've been gathering that's surprisingly not a popular color choice. Didn't want to take that chance.
My current intention is to buy as this is going to be a long term keeper...or so I think. I never looked into leasing but who knows maybe that makes the most sense with McLaren, although in my situation probably won't work.
Part of me wanted to wait as well...either for a leftover showroom car or a lightly used one in a year or two with 1,000 miles, but I had to have Nardo Orange and just from what I've been gathering that's surprisingly not a popular color choice. Didn't want to take that chance.
My current intention is to buy as this is going to be a long term keeper...or so I think. I never looked into leasing but who knows maybe that makes the most sense with McLaren, although in my situation probably won't work.
My car goes into production next month with a September completion date. Should arrive just in time for winter 🤦🏻♂️
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Assuming that they are at least on par with the 720 in terms of reliability, I may have to contemplate the 765 now in addition to the Perf, when I decide to get rid of the AMG.
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The 675LT was also limited and they're wholesaling under $200k four years later from a base $350k msrp and most of them over $400k. And what happens to their regular models is also well known.
I absolutely adore McLaren's ethos to never stop pushing the performance envelope, I mean if they can find a little extra at any time they'll release a new model every five minutes to incorporate it. It's great for enthusiasts and it pushes their competition. But from a a business pov that 'shoot yourself and your customers in the foot' strategy does not make for a very good long term business model. First, almost every model is guaranteed to either depreciate anywhere from lot to catastrophically. Second, and more importantly, the models never last long enough for them to work the reliability and build kinks out of them ... they just move on to the next one. Buying one is really rolling the dice on reliability, a lot are no issue cars, but the ones that do start out with issues, and there's a lot of them, those issues never ever ever end. Most of my friends have sworn off of them after one or two cars. One of them had to break out of his own car cause it imprisoned him.
All that said, every time I've driven any of their cars I've gotten that crap your pants level of fast feeling, and if I lived walking distance from a service center I'd buy a low mileage 720S P for around $200k yesterday, cause that's about as good a value in the sports car world as there is and once they get to those levels then they depreciate at a reasonable levels.
Now if I had fastmd moneys ...
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Been watching a lot of the threads and certainly interested in most opinions... Regarding the list price, the Euro list is $335,715e, so not sure how that helps indicate the US number but I would think a comparison of a euro GTR list vs. a US GTR list should show a ratio for starts...
I did get a call from my GM Friday (11 days ago) wanting to know if I wanted a BS.. He had reached out to the zone rep and the slot is being submitted... I will chose Obsidian Black
For my GTRA I did a PTS. some post asked about the cost.. 3K is charged for the Designio dept, then 6k for the PTS color... I chose a color from the over 40+ colors that the Designio dept has available..
I have to question the listed HP at 720.. Renntech indicated the 577 from the GTR is more like 605... so maybe the power to weight ration is better .. with the BS coming in at 3,615lbs, that's 400+ lbs more than a GT2RS..
Some don't care for the big rear wing.. I'm sure the the wind tunnel forced the size to get the rear end to stick in big sweepers.. the GT2RS already has the weight in the rear so less wing required..
Not really sure there will be any long term appreciation like the SLS BS.. the prior (5) BS cars were not track focused.. If the current GT2RS is an indication, they are almost back to list and there is a bunch for sale...
Sure wish there was a radio-delete option...Who can hear the radio with a helmet on ??
Another comment was about a front-end lifter... I had a GTC and my nose just touched a garage entrance at a certain angle... my GTRA nose clears the same spot... not sure why, just saying....
can't wait to feel that torque going up thru the gears !!
I did get a call from my GM Friday (11 days ago) wanting to know if I wanted a BS.. He had reached out to the zone rep and the slot is being submitted... I will chose Obsidian Black
For my GTRA I did a PTS. some post asked about the cost.. 3K is charged for the Designio dept, then 6k for the PTS color... I chose a color from the over 40+ colors that the Designio dept has available..
I have to question the listed HP at 720.. Renntech indicated the 577 from the GTR is more like 605... so maybe the power to weight ration is better .. with the BS coming in at 3,615lbs, that's 400+ lbs more than a GT2RS..
Some don't care for the big rear wing.. I'm sure the the wind tunnel forced the size to get the rear end to stick in big sweepers.. the GT2RS already has the weight in the rear so less wing required..
Not really sure there will be any long term appreciation like the SLS BS.. the prior (5) BS cars were not track focused.. If the current GT2RS is an indication, they are almost back to list and there is a bunch for sale...
Sure wish there was a radio-delete option...Who can hear the radio with a helmet on ??
Another comment was about a front-end lifter... I had a GTC and my nose just touched a garage entrance at a certain angle... my GTRA nose clears the same spot... not sure why, just saying....
can't wait to feel that torque going up thru the gears !!
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I mean, it's McLaren, the pattern is pretty well established by now.
The 675LT was also limited and they're wholesaling under $200k four years later from a base $350k msrp and most of them over $400k. And what happens to their regular models is also well known.
I absolutely adore McLaren's ethos to never stop pushing the performance envelope, I mean if they can find a little extra at any time they'll release a new model every five minutes to incorporate it. It's great for enthusiasts and it pushes their competition. But from a a business pov that 'shoot yourself and your customers in the foot' strategy does not make for a very good long term business model. First, almost every model is guaranteed to either depreciate anywhere from lot to catastrophically. Second, and more importantly, the models never last long enough for them to work the reliability and build kinks out of them ... they just move on to the next one. Buying one is really rolling the dice on reliability, a lot are no issue cars, but the ones that do start out with issues, and there's a lot of them, those issues never ever ever end. Most of my friends have sworn off of them after one or two cars. One of them had to break out of his own car cause it imprisoned him.
All that said, every time I've driven any of their cars I've gotten that crap your pants level of fast feeling, and if I lived walking distance from a service center I'd buy a low mileage 720S P for around $200k yesterday, cause that's about as good a value in the sports car world as there is and once they get to those levels then they depreciate at a reasonable levels.
Now if I had fastmd moneys ...
The 675LT was also limited and they're wholesaling under $200k four years later from a base $350k msrp and most of them over $400k. And what happens to their regular models is also well known.
I absolutely adore McLaren's ethos to never stop pushing the performance envelope, I mean if they can find a little extra at any time they'll release a new model every five minutes to incorporate it. It's great for enthusiasts and it pushes their competition. But from a a business pov that 'shoot yourself and your customers in the foot' strategy does not make for a very good long term business model. First, almost every model is guaranteed to either depreciate anywhere from lot to catastrophically. Second, and more importantly, the models never last long enough for them to work the reliability and build kinks out of them ... they just move on to the next one. Buying one is really rolling the dice on reliability, a lot are no issue cars, but the ones that do start out with issues, and there's a lot of them, those issues never ever ever end. Most of my friends have sworn off of them after one or two cars. One of them had to break out of his own car cause it imprisoned him.
All that said, every time I've driven any of their cars I've gotten that crap your pants level of fast feeling, and if I lived walking distance from a service center I'd buy a low mileage 720S P for around $200k yesterday, cause that's about as good a value in the sports car world as there is and once they get to those levels then they depreciate at a reasonable levels.
Now if I had fastmd moneys ...
As long as they fill that void for me I will keep buying them.
Believe me man, you would be better off with a H addiction and the highest priced escorts on retainer then suffering the Mclaren disease.
I am waiting for Porsche to bring the connection back, but I keep buying them also.
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You made excellent points with regards to Mclaren. I am just a sucker for the emotional connection I get when I drive them. That’s why I keep stacks of 100s on my passenger seat so I can throw them out the window when I drive.
As long as they fill that void for me I will keep buying them.
Believe me man, you would be better off with a H addiction and the highest priced escorts on retainer then suffering the Mclaren disease.
As long as they fill that void for me I will keep buying them.
Believe me man, you would be better off with a H addiction and the highest priced escorts on retainer then suffering the Mclaren disease.
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Perhaps with the timing of a down market and a weak demand for supercars currently, that could bode well in the long run, much like the Murcielago SV that didn't reach it's full production numbers and is doing well in the 2nd hand market.
But I can't think of a more desirable car in this price bracket than the 765LT...I'm hearing it even outperforms the Senna in certain conditions and for those reasons I'm willing to make a stupid financial car decision at least once....every few years lol.
