GTR - rear wheel steering deactivation
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Hi I have problem with RWS on GTR. Sometimes I like to completely switch off ESP with traction controll fully OFF (yellow knob). I like to go sideways sometime, and the RWS dont help it much, actually quite an opposit, it makes the car to behave very badly in “drift”, for obvious reasons (you dobt want the rear wheels to turn during drifting). Does anybody has experience with deactivation off this rear wheel steering system? Preferably only in ESP OFF mode, and have it functional with ESP in sport. I tryed it in S mode, but it is also functional.
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No personal experience with drifting the GT R, FWIW, Chris Harris seems to have no issues drifting the beast in the video below. Have you tried Race mode? I only have experience drifting the 2019 C63S Coupe. No RWS, but same 9-stage TC, not that it matters with everything fully off. When we drifted it at the AMG Driving Academy, the instructors were telling us to put the cars in Race mode and ESP off for the proper dynamics to drift and then we played with different TC settings. I'd figure that AMG made the RWS system smart enough to not be an obstacle when drifting. Just like it knows to steer opposite direction at lower speeds and in the same direction at higher speeds. Maybe you just have to get used to its balance.
Also, perhaps it's important to know what year your car is. The 2020s also have the new AMG DYNAMICS system (same as the 2019+ C63S). It has 4 chassis dynamics mode. That's actually the reason they told us to put the C63S in Race, because that uses the Master mode for AMG DYNAMICS, which is the most dynamic chassis setting.
Also, perhaps it's important to know what year your car is. The 2020s also have the new AMG DYNAMICS system (same as the 2019+ C63S). It has 4 chassis dynamics mode. That's actually the reason they told us to put the C63S in Race, because that uses the Master mode for AMG DYNAMICS, which is the most dynamic chassis setting.
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No personal experience with drifting the GT R, FWIW, Chris Harris seems to have no issues drifting the beast in the video below. Have you tried Race mode? I only have experience drifting the 2019 C63S Coupe. No RWS, but same 9-stage TC, not that it matters with everything fully off. When we drifted it at the AMG Driving Academy, the instructors were telling us to put the cars in Race mode and ESP off for the proper dynamics to drift and then we played with different TC settings. I'd figure that AMG made the RWS system smart enough to not be an obstacle when drifting. Just like it knows to steer opposite direction at lower speeds and in the same direction at higher speeds. Maybe you just have to get used to its balance.
Also, perhaps it's important to know what year your car is. The 2020s also have the new AMG DYNAMICS system (same as the 2019+ C63S). It has 4 chassis dynamics mode. That's actually the reason they told us to put the C63S in Race, because that uses the Master mode for AMG DYNAMICS, which is the most dynamic chassis setting.
https://youtu.be/gZh8ESDXUfs
Also, perhaps it's important to know what year your car is. The 2020s also have the new AMG DYNAMICS system (same as the 2019+ C63S). It has 4 chassis dynamics mode. That's actually the reason they told us to put the C63S in Race, because that uses the Master mode for AMG DYNAMICS, which is the most dynamic chassis setting.
https://youtu.be/gZh8ESDXUfs
well the truth is that my main go fast mode is “Individual mode” with my own preset (I have soft dampers, manual gearbox, race engine and race exhaust) ... I basicaly have never tryed race mode with ESP off it might be the solution to turn off the RWS. and trying this is first thing im gonna do today)
I know the harris video, kind of suprised me too. For example at 100kmh/h the wheels turn opposit way. The 100kmh is just at top of 2nd gear, so basicaly exactly at RPMS you use when drifting. And when you cross the 100kmh in drift the RWS swings the rear end of the car really very uncomfortable. Before GTR I had R8 V10+ with rear wheel drive conversion throught Gallardo Balboni front suspension parts. Despite beeing midengined, the R8 was much easyer to drift. As you can see on video below, I think I know what Im doing, however GTR is the most difficult car to drift I ever own, however its because that RWS system, you just dont want ro move your rear wheels going sideways
) btw my car is 2018. video of r8 v10+ with RWD conversion:
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The above mentioned about race mode is incorrect. RWS is not active in comfort mode so turn off TC in comfort mode if you want to "drift" without rear steer. I've "drifted" in race mode with TC off on the track and its manageable but different because you feel the RWS same as the Chris harris video and it helps if its wet/raining.
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Rear wheel steering is the most useless/overrated feature of these cars. Go on rave about it with all kinda data but... blah blah blah. It's a sports car not a bulldozer.
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Yeah, the GT R was built for fastest lap times. That's really what the GT R is for. Drifting doesn't give you fast lap times, but RWS helps with the stability around a track. Definitely a noticeable difference. I've tracked the GT S and GT R back to back and they are very different. The GT S was much more playful and wanted to go sideways. I don't think of the GT R as a drift car. It's perhaps telling that the AMG Driving Academy doesn't use it for drifting, either. They are drifting the C63 S and the GT 4-door. I'm guessing the GT 4-door disables RWS when you engage drift mode and FWIW, the GT Black Series did away with RWS altogether.
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Circle back on this thread, I'm also finding the RWS really intervene too much on slow corner entrance, the initialization of the RWS makes me hard to predict that right steering angle, on an extreme case coming out of turn 11 on Laguna Seca before the main straight I actually had to counter mid corner due to it.
Is there a way to program it off or stay in comfort mode is the only option? (That means I probably will never be able to get it off...lol).
Is there a way to program it off or stay in comfort mode is the only option? (That means I probably will never be able to get it off...lol).
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Circle back on this thread, I'm also finding the RWS really intervene too much on slow corner entrance, the initialization of the RWS makes me hard to predict that right steering angle, on an extreme case coming out of turn 11 on Laguna Seca before the main straight I actually had to counter mid corner due to it.
Is there a way to program it off or stay in comfort mode is the only option? (That means I probably will never be able to get it off...lol).
Is there a way to program it off or stay in comfort mode is the only option? (That means I probably will never be able to get it off...lol).
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Circle back on this thread, I'm also finding the RWS really intervene too much on slow corner entrance, the initialization of the RWS makes me hard to predict that right steering angle, on an extreme case coming out of turn 11 on Laguna Seca before the main straight I actually had to counter mid corner due to it.
Is there a way to program it off or stay in comfort mode is the only option? (That means I probably will never be able to get it off...lol).
Is there a way to program it off or stay in comfort mode is the only option? (That means I probably will never be able to get it off...lol).
https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...l?oid=42956027
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Can't say I felt it was causing issues in turn 11, but I drove a 2020. I see you have a 2018. I'm wondering now if it's simply better sorted in the 2020 onward thanks to the new AMG DYNAMICS system.
https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...l?oid=42956027
https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...l?oid=42956027
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