Anybody regret tuning?
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Anybody regret tuning?
I had a GTS with pure turbos, downpipes and a tune. I bought it modified that way. I’ve moved up to a GTR which is currently stock. Can’t decide whether or not to tune….
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Have you driven a GTS without a tune and if not, I suggest you do?
How long did you own your GTS (time/miles) and have you had any issues ( repairs/reliability/dealer visits) with the mods in your GTS?
I think those 2 questions would give you the answer you are looking for.
How long did you own your GTS (time/miles) and have you had any issues ( repairs/reliability/dealer visits) with the mods in your GTS?
I think those 2 questions would give you the answer you are looking for.
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[QUOTE=C2 Turbo;8520580]Have you driven a GTS without a tune and if not, I suggest you do?
How long did you own your GTS (time/miles) and have you had any issues ( repairs/reliability/dealer visits) with the mods in your GTS?
I think those 2 questions would give you the answer you are looking for.[/QUOTE
i never drove a stock GTS for comparison. I had the GTS for 2 years and drove it hard without any issues. I do plan to track the GTR.
How long did you own your GTS (time/miles) and have you had any issues ( repairs/reliability/dealer visits) with the mods in your GTS?
I think those 2 questions would give you the answer you are looking for.[/QUOTE
i never drove a stock GTS for comparison. I had the GTS for 2 years and drove it hard without any issues. I do plan to track the GTR.
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If you're going to track the car a couple of questions only you can answer -
Can you out drive a stock GTR now?
and
What tracks?
If the car is more than your driving skills, based on that and the track length, gaining more performance isn't going to pay back for you and actually can work against you. This is especially true if it is a short track.
Can you out drive a stock GTR now?
and
What tracks?
If the car is more than your driving skills, based on that and the track length, gaining more performance isn't going to pay back for you and actually can work against you. This is especially true if it is a short track.
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[QUOTE=Acta_Non_Verba;8520617]If you're going to track the car a couple of questions only you can answer -
Can you out drive a stock GTR now?
and
What tracks?
If the car is more than your driving skills, based on that and the track length, gaining more performance isn't going to pay back for you and actually can work against you. This is especially true if it is a short track.[/QUOTE
i mainly track at NCM. Currently track a 16 GT3RS. About 6 track days per year. Been tracking 20 years.
Can you out drive a stock GTR now?
and
What tracks?
If the car is more than your driving skills, based on that and the track length, gaining more performance isn't going to pay back for you and actually can work against you. This is especially true if it is a short track.[/QUOTE
i mainly track at NCM. Currently track a 16 GT3RS. About 6 track days per year. Been tracking 20 years.
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What course do you run there? What kind of speed are you getting now on the straight? Did you run the GTS on this course? If so, how did it do with the mods and heat?
I think with your experience, it's getting a feel for this car before you decide. If you really feel you have more to give than the car does on the straight...I would be conservative on the tune though. You'll breathe a little better catless and run a little cooler, but an aggressive tune is going to heat you back up. The "majority" of the tune on this platform is bumping the boost, but with boost comes more heat in a track situation.
It'd be a little different if you said you take it to the dragstrip every weekend, or you were a street racer. Then I'd say go big on the tune, skip the catless (unless a dedicated car).
I think with your experience, it's getting a feel for this car before you decide. If you really feel you have more to give than the car does on the straight...I would be conservative on the tune though. You'll breathe a little better catless and run a little cooler, but an aggressive tune is going to heat you back up. The "majority" of the tune on this platform is bumping the boost, but with boost comes more heat in a track situation.
It'd be a little different if you said you take it to the dragstrip every weekend, or you were a street racer. Then I'd say go big on the tune, skip the catless (unless a dedicated car).
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I bought my GTR completely stock and drove it a month and then ended up doing downpipes, tune and air intake
completely different animal now
completely different animal now
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Interested in this topic too. I don’t want to go crazy but have debating on getting a stage 1 eurocharged tune that bumps up the hp to 625 and torque to 638 on my 16 GTS. I don’t want to go down pipes etc so not sure if I could just tune and keep everything as is. Plus, I imagine a stage 1 tune alone is worth it? (Eurocharged is a 2k cost for stage 1)
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Interested in this topic too. I don’t want to go crazy but have debating on getting a stage 1 eurocharged tune that bumps up the hp to 625 and torque to 638 on my 16 GTS. I don’t want to go down pipes etc so not sure if I could just tune and keep everything as is. Plus, I imagine a stage 1 tune alone is worth it? (Eurocharged is a 2k cost for stage 1)
On the peripherals (intake/exhaust) in all the tunes I've done I've only found a very small number of intakes that couldn't handle more HP, the kind of HP that comes strictly from a tune with no internal upgrades. Yet the aftermarket companies selling these make a fortune convincing the uneducated their "CIA" can reduce air charge temps and improve flow (A joke in so many cases and actually the opposite in some). All they have to do is say it and the "believers" come with their money. And, if you know dynos, you can produce a dyno sheet to support ANY argument.
Exhausts do vary, and some platforms benefit from exhaust mods such as CAT deletes, headers, etc., but not this platform. Not unless you're going for some very big numbers with internals upgrades etc.
This GTR platform is almost perfect. It has the correct internals, compression ratio, etc., for FI. The CATS are better than most I've seen on other platforms. Here too the aftermarket sellers have done one heck of a job convincing the uneducated to spend money doing the catless DTs. It's too bad in a way, and good in another ways. Keeps the cash flowing and I'm happy to see some making money in this industry.
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Hi Acta,
You got it straight to the point.
"Paper values" rarely represent reality. Most of the time, an HP value is advertised.
The first thing someone says with tuning is: "I have XXX HP".
How and where the torque develops is the only decisive factor for drivability on the road.
Unfortunately, that doesn't sell as well.
Whether a tuner, for example, also uses the safety devices of an ECU / TCU correctly, or bypasses them in order to deliver a "high" value, is not in any performance measurement curve.
Kind regards
Stenzel
You got it straight to the point.
"Paper values" rarely represent reality. Most of the time, an HP value is advertised.
The first thing someone says with tuning is: "I have XXX HP".
How and where the torque develops is the only decisive factor for drivability on the road.
Unfortunately, that doesn't sell as well.
Whether a tuner, for example, also uses the safety devices of an ECU / TCU correctly, or bypasses them in order to deliver a "high" value, is not in any performance measurement curve.
Kind regards
Stenzel
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I have a simple ECU tune (OE Tuning) on my 2018 GTC. I love it for the street. It's not just the additional / more available torque / HP, it's the "liveliness" it brings to the car. It makes it feel lighter and more nimble as the power to weight ratio gets into what I consider a sweet spot. I will track it once the rains stop. With a talented foot on the gas pedal, more horsepower is always better.
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I drove my ‘18 GTR extensively on track and out of the box it is a spectacular road course vehicle; as you’d expect as that was it’s purpose. But even though I’ve been doing HPDEs for 25 years, I do not think the car needs any more hp. Better tyres; brake pads; brake cooling; brake fluid; a true roll bar/race seat/belts, etc. yes.
If you are at least a semi-pro road course driver, then perhaps a further 100hp might be useful to you, but remember that the car is actually putting out >600 hp stock versus the 577hp(?) that MB advertised it with.
Have you driven a GTS without a tune and if not, I suggest you do?
How long did you own your GTS (time/miles) and have you had any issues ( repairs/reliability/dealer visits) with the mods in your GTS?
I think those 2 questions would give you the answer you are looking for.[/QUOTE
i never drove a stock GTS for comparison. I had the GTS for 2 years and drove it hard without any issues. I do plan to track the GTR.
How long did you own your GTS (time/miles) and have you had any issues ( repairs/reliability/dealer visits) with the mods in your GTS?
I think those 2 questions would give you the answer you are looking for.[/QUOTE
i never drove a stock GTS for comparison. I had the GTS for 2 years and drove it hard without any issues. I do plan to track the GTR.
If you are at least a semi-pro road course driver, then perhaps a further 100hp might be useful to you, but remember that the car is actually putting out >600 hp stock versus the 577hp(?) that MB advertised it with.
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I drove my ‘18 GTR extensively on track and out of the box it is a spectacular road course vehicle; as you’d expect as that was it’s purpose. But even though I’ve been doing HPDEs for 25 years, I do not think the car needs any more hp. Better tyres; brake pads; brake cooling; brake fluid; a true roll bar/race seat/belts, etc. yes.
If you are at least a semi-pro road course driver, then perhaps a further 100hp might be useful to you, but remember that the car is actually putting out >600 hp stock versus the 577hp(?) that MB advertised it with.
I’m curious to hear your thoughts on the GTS. Understanding that the GTR was built for the track, do you think a GTS should be tuned to be where the GTR is stock?
I drove my ‘18 GTR extensively on track and out of the box it is a spectacular road course vehicle; as you’d expect as that was it’s purpose. But even though I’ve been doing HPDEs for 25 years, I do not think the car needs any more hp. Better tyres; brake pads; brake cooling; brake fluid; a true roll bar/race seat/belts, etc. yes.
If you are at least a semi-pro road course driver, then perhaps a further 100hp might be useful to you, but remember that the car is actually putting out >600 hp stock versus the 577hp(?) that MB advertised it with.
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[QUOTE=thebishman;8521106]
I drove my ‘18 GTR extensively on track and out of the box it is a spectacular road course vehicle; as you’d expect as that was it’s purpose. But even though I’ve been doing HPDEs for 25 years, I do not think the car needs any more hp. Better tyres; brake pads; brake cooling; brake fluid; a true roll bar/race seat/belts, etc. yes.
If you are at least a semi-pro road course driver, then perhaps a further 100hp might be useful to you, but remember that the car is actually putting out >600 hp stock versus the 577hp(?) that MB advertised it with.
This was the position I was taking in responding in the first few posts.
Bish, you've put it more elegantly and succinctly than I did.
I drove my ‘18 GTR extensively on track and out of the box it is a spectacular road course vehicle; as you’d expect as that was it’s purpose. But even though I’ve been doing HPDEs for 25 years, I do not think the car needs any more hp. Better tyres; brake pads; brake cooling; brake fluid; a true roll bar/race seat/belts, etc. yes.
If you are at least a semi-pro road course driver, then perhaps a further 100hp might be useful to you, but remember that the car is actually putting out >600 hp stock versus the 577hp(?) that MB advertised it with.
Bish, you've put it more elegantly and succinctly than I did.
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What are your thoughts on removing the secondary cats? I understand they generate a lot of heat.
Is there a Pro or Con to removing versus leaving exhaust original?
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What are your thoughts on removing the secondary cats? I understand they generate a lot of heat.
Is there a Pro or Con to removing versus leaving exhaust original?
Jan
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The reality is manufacturers are in the tuning game more than anyone. The GT and GTS were the exact same engine and the only difference was software. Porsche, Audi etc they all upsell it for thousands $$$.
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I'm terrible with searching on these forums, but I believe it was on another thread about catless downtubes. There are a few.
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I have a simple ECU tune (OE Tuning) on my 2018 GTC. I love it for the street. It's not just the additional / more available torque / HP, it's the "liveliness" it brings to the car. It makes it feel lighter and more nimble as the power to weight ratio gets into what I consider a sweet spot. I will track it once the rains stop. With a talented foot on the gas pedal, more horsepower is always better.
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One of the best bang for the buck tunes imo. Contact@loungn14 and see if they can hook you up with a promo price. I've had mine Eurocharged tuned for 2 and a half year, and about 18k miles.
Awesome! Makes a big difference in acceleration? Did you keep it stock for a little or go straight to tune?