I do enjoy mine but I have not been around much this summer. My only complaint is the sound as compared to other AMG's.

I don't know if it is that they are getting tucked away for future speculation as much as most people that had enough clout with their dealer to get one tend to own a bunch of cars. Some sit around in garages and some get driven. As with any expensive car these days, the speculators work hard to get them early and many have relationships with dealers where they pay way over MSRP right out of the gate. The same thing did happen with the first SLS Blacks and the same thing happens with every special Porsche as well.

Many of the SLS Blacks did sell at MSRP. I daily drove mine for about 8K miles and sold it for a bit under MSRP. At the time, I was happy to get what I got. They really started to climb about a year and a half after production ended. There are always a few of them trading hands but never more than a couple. I am sure that AMG will build another gullwing at some point but I doubt it will have an ICE engine and sound like the SLS Black. It was glorious.

As for the GT Black, it does feel like the pinnacle of the initial GT platform. I don't think we will ever see another ICE only car like this from AMG but I also believe that the draw to build an outrageous (and high margin) version of the next generation GT platform will be too hard to resist and the Black Series moniker will live on with a hybrid or electric powertrain.

Once the speculators are cleared out and the cars are all in the hands of their first owners, I would expect the GT Black Series prices will creep back up but they may still fall closer to MSRP before that happens. It looks like about 10% of them are still for sale right now.

 

They are gorgeous in pictures and even better in person. That said, I think comparing it to the SLS BS is tough...primarily because the SLS is truly limited. Having only 50 built made them extremely rare, and while they were unappreciated at the time, a low miles well kept version today will pull far more than a GT BS and I'm not sure that ever changes. Maybe it does but pricing is usually based on the demand against the supply and I just think they made too many for it to have a future like the SLS BS has shown us.

 

That was the one thing I found most shocking about such a raw car. The sound of the 4.0 twin turbo charged flat-plane crank V8 was very underwhelming. I had expectations for something Ferrari-ish like their F154 3.9/4.0TT engine.

I had the opportunity to ****** an early delivery example for $100k over MSRP which I passed on. In hindsight I'm kicking myself, that specific car immediately sold for $699k.

 

Don’t beat yourself up on missing an opportunity. I can’t tell you how many I have missed.

As far as the BS market goes, I think we are seeing the bottom of the market now and it will continue for a few months as the inventories consisting of floor plan units and investors who are getting eatan up with loan payments and interest charges liquidate their units.

As far as future value goes, we all have our own opinions. I believe this will be at least a $1mil car in a couple of years as car investors realize that this is the only flat plane crank MB made and put into production before moving into electric and there are only 371 in the US as we know.

Stay tuned.

 

Love to see it but 1,700 globally and not a single example on the planet of a car with a $1M price point coupled with that kind of production volume. Done in a batch of 50 like the SLS you'd be on the money. At the number of units made I just don't see it. Mercedes got greedy here and simply made too many.

 

For you, and other owners, sake, I hope your right. That said, $1mm for the GT BS seems absurd, realistically speaking. Nothing about the car feels as unique or special when compared to the SLS BS. I expect prices will continue trending down, as the car market has only just started reversing course, and prices are already softening on the BS.

 

The SLS Black Series was an extraordinary car and the gullwing doors made it very special. I had one of the Mars Red ones.

I am not sure where your 50 number comes from but it is not correct. I can't remember the exact number but I think the number for the US was around 125 and the worldwide number was around 350. It's all supply and demand. If the owners of the GT blacks keep them and people want them, then the prices will go up. If they are all over the market, then they won't. To me the question is how many people were not able to get one that really wanted one but didn't get one. Time will tell.

Will it be a 1MM car? I don't know but it was certainly a 700K+ car a few months ago.

My advice to everyone is the same, buy cars you love and drive the hell out of them. If they appreciate, that is an added bonus.

Speculating in the car world is a dangerous game (except during covid apparently when everything went to the moon.)

 

It's funny, when I bought my SLS Black Series, people said the same thing. Nothing really special about it. lol

I certainly don't think the GT Black is a 1MM car right now but I can tell you that it does everything except sound better than the SLS Black Series. The GT Black series is an absolute beast and pictures don't do it justice. It has an incredible presence.

As said before, we will see where all of them end up in the future. I was offered two Carrera GT's years ago at prices that make me laugh now.

 

just 50 examples world wide according to several articles on the subject - here is one where it compares it to the GTR Pro:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/cla...g-black-series

I agree the SLS is truly unique, and of course, not a $1MM car.

A car for that price has to have a lot of things going for it - very rare air indeed. That said, there isn't a single example I can think of or find (past or present) of a $1MM car with the production volume the GT Black is saddled with,

It's not a knock on the car - I'm in awe of it to be quite honest, its just that it's pretty likely to be excluded from the $1MM club.

 

Those numbers are just not correct. If there were only 50 worldwide, I would not have been able to get one.

The people that know don't seem to be talking but I think these folks are closer.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-drive-review/

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/m...-black-series/

 

I completely disagree. The SLS BS is naturally aspirated, has gullwing doors, and only shared the platform with 1 other model. In contrast the GT BS shares the platform with 5 other models (sounds worse then all of them), and has no other neat features or gimmicks aside from over the top aero. I'd honestly be surprised if they don't drop below MSRP at some point.

 

If others feel the same way that you do about the GT Black Series, then they will be selling for below MSRP in no time.

You lost me with your 5 other model comparison and only over the top aero.

Currently there are 23 models of 911's and they don't seem to impact the attractiveness of a GT3 or GT3 RS at all.

If you think the GT Black Series is only some over the top Aero, you have missed all the marketing materials.

Comparing the drive of the SLS Black Series to the GT Black Series is like apples and oranges. Technology has come too far in 8 years, just as it should have.

 

Sure looks right about being more than 50; however, it's interesting that no one has a definitive number about the global tally. Although there is a fairly detailed breakdown of the color options and exact number coming to the US market (132) - you would be in rare air with your color; just one of 5. From what I can see, the only SLS that was given public release on the numbers available was the final edition (and the electric version). That said, I guess it would be pretty safe to say the volume is a fraction of the GT production numbers.

 

I'm not sure why you've brought Porsches into the discussion, but which GT3/RS, or even GT2 RS, is trading for $1mm?

Seems we will have to agree to disagree, as the GT BS just doesn't seem anywhere near as special as the SLS BS, imo, and you will understandably have an owner's bias.

 

You referenced the number of models that the SLS had versus the GT, I only expanded the data set to say that I don't think that has any impact on how people feel about either.

Owners bias, sure but having owned both, I would say that so far I am enjoying the GT Black just as much as I enjoyed the SLS Black. The SLS Black Series had some flaws in it's driving dynamics and the GT has a sound problem.

Luckily "Special" is a very subjective term. I drive cars that I love, I don't collect them for an investment.

 

FWIW, there are about 17 renditions of the SLS, and the BS prevails due to its limited production and its enhancements. In turn, it likely feeds market demand for the downstream SLS versions. Same with the 911; same with the M5.

Also the SF90 has a sound problem too...sounds a little quieter than a Honda Civic. Ferrari has a TSB out to the dealers that any modified exhaust on that car renders the warranty void - I heard an early adopter had a modified exhaust and had some turbo issues hence the TSB. At least MB isnt that!

 

FPC motor in the GT BS. That's a "little" more than just an OTT aero.

Is this motor getting planted in any other models? Besides the 55 build track car?

 

 

Not that they have talked about.

 

To me, that motor is a major con (especially compared to the NA V8 in the SLS BS), not a pro, and one of the singular reasons I'd never buy a GT BS.

 

What exactly makes it a con?

 

You're not very technical, are you?

I'm going to take a wild guess here, there are far bigger reasons you'll never buy a GT BS

 

Envy?

 

The exhaust note.



And winner for the first to jump to ad hominems goes to.... Acta_Non_Verba .... Congrats.

 

Proof...there no understanding of this platform.