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The GT production is shut down unfortunately at this point. I was just in Germany three weeks ago and did the AMG factory tour in Sindelfingen. It was a bit disappointing, because it used to be a tour of the GT production line, but with nothing happening there we just saw the E, CLS and GT 4-door line that was rather unimpressive. The E class line was actually stopped. They are just sputtering along at the moment at less than 50% capacity overall. Pretty sad. The factory was deserted compared to three years ago.
But the week was not ruined as I attended a performance training day at the Nürburgring driving the BS among other cars and got to see the AMG One prototype #4 which they had parked in our box.
The GT production is shut down unfortunately at this point. I was just in Germany three weeks ago and did the AMG factory tour in Sindelfingen. It was a bit disappointing, because it used to be a tour of the GT production line, but with nothing happening there we just saw the E, CLS and GT 4-door line that was rather unimpressive. The E class line was actually stopped. They are just sputtering along at the moment at less than 50% capacity overall. Pretty sad. The factory was deserted compared to three years ago.
But the week was not ruined as I attended a performance training day at the Nürburgring driving the BS among other cars and got to see the AMG One prototype #4 which they had parked in our box.
It was only just revealed and as far as I know it's going to be built in Affalterbach alongside the GT3 and GT4 cars as part of the AMG customer racing program. Not sure if it's even coming to the US.
And seems like 370 of them are currently for sale on the secondary market.
The dealers have just about sold all of the NEW ones. There are only 7-10 for sale now out of the 371 imported into the US.
On the other hand, dealers currently have nearly 40 “low mileage” used BS they are trying to move at market premium prices so they receive a second sales commision.
The market demand and basic economics will drive pricing going forward.
The dealers have just about sold all of the NEW ones. There are only 7-10 for sale now out of the 371 imported into the US.
On the other hand, dealers currently have nearly 40 “low mileage” used BS they are trying to move at market premium prices so they receive a second sales commision.
The market demand and basic economics will drive pricing going forward.
Interesting times.
pretty safe to say that they arent grabbing the $250K premium they did on some of them the first time around.
More than double the number of Pros that even came to the market too. The BS should have been limited production...greedy of MB.
i’m surprised MB built 2.5x more Black Series than the GTR Pro. originally, I was thinking about selling my Pro for a BS, but the higher production numbers put this on hold. Then I heard the BS was more civil and less raw and that made me want to keep the PRO even more… despite the BS incredible performance stats.
i’m surprised MB built 2.5x more Black Series than the GTR Pro. originally, I was thinking about selling my Pro for a BS, but the higher production numbers put this on hold. Then I heard the BS was more civil and less raw and that made me want to keep the PRO even more… despite the BS incredible performance stats.
More civil and less raw? Not in my experience. The Black series is on a whole different level in every aspect except sound.
In my opinion, unfortunately the Pro is what the GTR should have been from the start. In many ways it felt like a sport package for the GTR.
Even at 150 units in the US they couldn't sell them. They sat at dealers and took huge hits before the covid wonkyness set in.
More civil and less raw? Not in my experience. The Black series is on a whole different level in every aspect except sound.
In my opinion, unfortunately the Pro is what the GTR should have been from the start. In many ways it felt like a sport package for the GTR.
Even at 150 units in the US they couldn't sell them. They sat at dealers and took huge hits before the covid wonkyness set in.
I agree 100%. The Pro is an upgraded GTR; the BS is a whole different animal; not even close and in the long term the residuals on the BS will prove that to be true.
Now for track use? I think you need ‘**** you’ money in order to regularly track the BS, in fact buying two is the best bet; one for street use, one for track.
More civil and less raw? Not in my experience. The Black series is on a whole different level in every aspect except sound.
In my opinion, unfortunately the Pro is what the GTR should have been from the start. In many ways it felt like a sport package for the GTR.
Even at 150 units in the US they couldn't sell them. They sat at dealers and took huge hits before the covid wonkyness set in.
try buying one now though (if you can find one) ...they aren't grabbing a BS premium but they are the GT pulling down 20% over MSRP in the resell market and holding; the rest of the fleet isn't doing that.
try buying one now though (if you can find one) ...they aren't grabbing a BS premium but they are the GT pulling down 20% over MSRP in the resell market and holding; the rest of the fleet isn't doing that.
I'm not sure where you are getting your data from. There are a few of them for sale but not moving because they have big opportunistic numbers on them. The last real sale of a Pro that I have heard of was at Manheim in June for 186K. No 20% premium there but I wish there was.
It's a great car, I enjoyed mine but i'm afraid that it has been lumped in with the GTR by those not in the know.
I'm not sure where you are getting your data from. There are a few of them for sale but not moving because they have big opportunistic numbers on them. The last real sale of a Pro that I have heard of was at Manheim in June for 186K. No 20% premium there but I wish there was.
It's a great car, I enjoyed mine but i'm afraid that it has been lumped in with the GTR by those not in the know.
Been watching the retail market,...which is what most of us are relegated to without a dealer license. MMR tends to overlap these days depending on the demand snapshot. I would say that car in June selling for 186K was a steal...it must have had miles or a story. It's just way too below what the market is. The retail market has a handful across North America with an average price north of $235K - the last retail I saw sell was $244K (link below)- it sat for a while, but they got their price. Judging by their inventory, they were OK with holding for the right client - the reality though is that dealers don't have to blow them out - they just sit and sell. If you can find one for that wholesale price again, let me know and I'll buy it!!
Been watching the retail market,...which is what most of us are relegated to without a dealer license. MMR tends to overlap these days depending on the demand snapshot. I would say that car in June selling for 186K was a steal...it must have had miles or a story. It's just way too below what the market is. The retail market has a handful across North America with an average price north of $235K - the last retail I saw sell was $244K (link below)- it sat for a while, but they got their price. Judging by their inventory, they were OK with holding for the right client - the reality though is that dealers don't have to blow them out - they just sit and sell. If you can find one for that wholesale price again, let me know and I'll buy it!!
There were a couple of others I knew about too; both asking in the high 230s...SOLD.
If yours is clean and decent miles and you are selling in the 180s, PM me - Il'l send a wire.
I guess we just run in different circles. No one that I know would touch a GTR Pro for near MSRP right now. I guess there are a few unicorns retail customers out there but it really doesn't make much sense to pay a markup on the GTR Pro unless you have no idea what it is. The GT platform has never been solid in the resale market until this covid market made everything nutty, nut they were some of the best used buys out there. Unfortunately, even with 150 units, the Pro, while certainly more track capable than a GTR, just isn't collectable. As I said before, to me it is the car the GTR should have been from the start.
I guess we just run in different circles. No one that I know would touch a GTR Pro for near MSRP right now. I guess there are a few unicorns retail customers out there but it really doesn't make much sense to pay a markup on the GTR Pro unless you have no idea what it is. The GT platform has never been solid in the resale market until this covid market made everything nutty, nut they were some of the best used buys out there. Unfortunately, even with 150 units, the Pro, while certainly more track capable than a GTR, just isn't collectable. As I said before, to me it is the car the GTR should have been from the start.
My Pro was sold a while ago.
Agreed on all points. Out of the vast number of exotic owners near me, I don't know anyone who would consider one near MSRP, or even 10-20% below. They just don't command much interest from what I've seen, which could be said for the entire GT lineup, unfortunately.
Agreed on all points. Out of the vast number of exotic owners near me, I don't know anyone who would consider one near MSRP, or even 10-20% below. They just don't command much interest from what I've seen, which could be said for the entire GT lineup, unfortunately.
I guess I would say this...show us a couple of examples of what you are talking about. Where are these no stories, low miles Pros going for 20% below MSRP?
I guess I would say this...show us a couple of examples of what you are talking about. Where are these no stories, low miles Pros going for 20% below MSRP?
Pretty common in a forum setting - apologies if that's the case. Im saying Pro is separating from the pack in terms of it holding its value. The post you responded to was indicating that they were out there in the 180s and at the very least a bargain compared to MSRP. I disagree from what I am seeing. A loaded up Pro was about $215K-ish MSRP, yet the average price in the retail market today is around >$235K. So, I assumed you were validating their position, but I haven't seen anything that would validate it other than "I know a guy" type of stories.
If you were thinking the Pro was getting hit 10-20% from MSRP in the used market, I just don't see it and was hoping to see an example or 2. If you were talking about the GT line in general, I don't disagree - I was specifically calling out the Pro as an outlier.
Pretty common in a forum setting - apologies if that's the case. Im saying Pro is separating from the pack in terms of it holding its value. The post you responded to was indicating that they were out there in the 180s and at the very least a bargain compared to MSRP. I disagree from what I am seeing. A loaded up Pro was about $215K-ish MSRP, yet the average price in the retail market today is around >$235K. So, I assumed you were validating their position, but I haven't seen anything that would validate it other than "I know a guy" type of stories.
If you were thinking the Pro was getting hit 10-20% from MSRP in the used market, I just don't see it and was hoping to see an example or 2. If you were talking about the GT line in general, I don't disagree - I was specifically calling out the Pro as an outlier.
Ah, I see. I was merely stating my experience talking with enthusiasts in my area lone, which is 300+ exotic owners deep. That said, I don't think looking at value during this inflated market is a good indicator of anything, but if you were, I'd saying looking at how little they have gone up in value, relative to most other exotics in their segment, indicates how weak the market is for them.
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