GT-S vs GT-R
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GT-S vs GT-R
So if you were an avid track guy (20+ years SCCA, driving instructor, etc...), which would you choose? 50% track, 50% street. (So Cal) I know the easy answer is the GT-R, it's focused much more towards the track. But... I generally modify most cars I get. Partly because that's 1/2 the fun of a track toy, and partly to get them to level of track worthiness I'm looking for. Coilovers, brakes, swaybars, seats, rollbar, tires and wheels, wing, etc... Not turning it into a racecar, but think GT3 / GT3RS equivalent.
So if you're going to replace or upgrade is there anything you are getting on the GT-R that makes it significantly more desirable as a starting place vs the GT-S? There is a fairly large cost delta, between the two.
So if you're going to replace or upgrade is there anything you are getting on the GT-R that makes it significantly more desirable as a starting place vs the GT-S? There is a fairly large cost delta, between the two.
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So if you were an avid track guy (20+ years SCCA, driving instructor, etc...), which would you choose? 50% track, 50% street. (So Cal) I know the easy answer is the GT-R, it's focused much more towards the track. But... I generally modify most cars I get. Partly because that's 1/2 the fun of a track toy, and partly to get them to level of track worthiness I'm looking for. Coilovers, brakes, swaybars, seats, rollbar, tires and wheels, wing, etc... Not turning it into a racecar, but think GT3 / GT3RS equivalent.
So if you're going to replace or upgrade is there anything you are getting on the GT-R that makes it significantly more desirable as a starting place vs the GT-S? There is a fairly large cost delta, between the two.
So if you're going to replace or upgrade is there anything you are getting on the GT-R that makes it significantly more desirable as a starting place vs the GT-S? There is a fairly large cost delta, between the two.
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So if you were an avid track guy (20+ years SCCA, driving instructor, etc...), which would you choose? 50% track, 50% street. (So Cal) I know the easy answer is the GT-R, it's focused much more towards the track. But... I generally modify most cars I get. Partly because that's 1/2 the fun of a track toy, and partly to get them to level of track worthiness I'm looking for. Coilovers, brakes, swaybars, seats, rollbar, tires and wheels, wing, etc... Not turning it into a racecar, but think GT3 / GT3RS equivalent.
So if you're going to replace or upgrade is there anything you are getting on the GT-R that makes it significantly more desirable as a starting place vs the GT-S? There is a fairly large cost delta, between the two.
So if you're going to replace or upgrade is there anything you are getting on the GT-R that makes it significantly more desirable as a starting place vs the GT-S? There is a fairly large cost delta, between the two.
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So if you were an avid track guy (20+ years SCCA, driving instructor, etc...), which would you choose? 50% track, 50% street. (So Cal) I know the easy answer is the GT-R, it's focused much more towards the track. But... I generally modify most cars I get. Partly because that's 1/2 the fun of a track toy, and partly to get them to level of track worthiness I'm looking for. Coilovers, brakes, swaybars, seats, rollbar, tires and wheels, wing, etc... Not turning it into a racecar, but think GT3 / GT3RS equivalent.
So if you're going to replace or upgrade is there anything you are getting on the GT-R that makes it significantly more desirable as a starting place vs the GT-S? There is a fairly large cost delta, between the two.
So if you're going to replace or upgrade is there anything you are getting on the GT-R that makes it significantly more desirable as a starting place vs the GT-S? There is a fairly large cost delta, between the two.
- different engine config (beyond ECU tuning)
- adjustable traction control
- rear adjustable spoiler
- rear diffuser (and its aero attributes)
- front active aero
- suspension
- rear wheel steering
- wider stance
- various other attributes to improve stability (like center brace etc)
- items in CF for weight management like front fenders and torque tube
virtually none of those matter on the road (and for some would detract from road enjoyment), but on the track with your experience, you will notice. It would cost more than the delta in price to get these things (sans adjustable TC), so it depends what you are after.
To give you a sense of how these changes affect track performance, we can look at the lap time at Nürburgring Nordschleife:
GTS - 7:33.04
GTR - 7:10.92
GTR Pro - 7:04.63
GTR BS - 6:43.61
Granted, comparing the BS is kind of unfair, its in the family but its just a relative on steriods!
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I’ve driven both at COTA, And there’s simply no comparison on the track. The GTR has greater limits in all areas and stays flatter, due to the wider track and aero, especially on long sweeping turns.
That said I have not driven the GTR on the street, but I can’t imagine it being that much more uncomfortable as the car was very plush on the track. If there was a complaint I would have with the GTR is that it needed a tune to match the increased handling limits, especially throttle response. I would have a GTR right now but for all the Alcantara on the interior, which looks like sh-it as a daily.
If you are tracking at least four times a year, I would say GTR.
That said I have not driven the GTR on the street, but I can’t imagine it being that much more uncomfortable as the car was very plush on the track. If there was a complaint I would have with the GTR is that it needed a tune to match the increased handling limits, especially throttle response. I would have a GTR right now but for all the Alcantara on the interior, which looks like sh-it as a daily.
If you are tracking at least four times a year, I would say GTR.
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I’ve driven both at COTA, And there’s simply no comparison on the track. The GTR has greater limits in all areas and stays flatter, due to the wider track and aero, especially on long sweeping turns.
That said I have not driven the GTR on the street, but I can’t imagine it being that much more uncomfortable as the car was very plush on the track. If there was a complaint I would have with the GTR is that it needed a tune to match the increased handling limits, especially throttle response. I would have a GTR right now but for all the Alcantara on the interior, which looks like sh-it as a daily.
If you are tracking at least four times a year, I would say GTR.
That said I have not driven the GTR on the street, but I can’t imagine it being that much more uncomfortable as the car was very plush on the track. If there was a complaint I would have with the GTR is that it needed a tune to match the increased handling limits, especially throttle response. I would have a GTR right now but for all the Alcantara on the interior, which looks like sh-it as a daily.
If you are tracking at least four times a year, I would say GTR.
Also: the GTS is a very capable road course car IMHO. A small amount of money, (in comparison to the delta between it and a GT-R), spent on a mild ECU tune; suspension; brakes and tires would get an experienced DE driver pretty damn close to the track times of what most of those drivers could obtain with the GT-R. Granted that money wouldn't be realised when it came time to trade/sell the GT-S versus the GT-R, but if planing on keeping the GT-S for some years it would be money well spent.
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I find your quote re: 'throttle response' for the GT-R on track to be interesting as it was super responsive in both my personal GT-R AND the many different GT-Rs I drove at COTA and LS with the Academy. I always placed them in 'Race' mode, but even in 'Sport +' the throttle response is very rapid.
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They have come a long way from their low. Maybe they continue to develop into something more with their deeper dive into Formula 1.
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James Bond and the move to align with Daimler in 2013 pretty much saved the brand from being a complete dumpster fire. Nostalgia from that original DB5 is what people are drawn too from the brand. Really, they were notoriously unreliable for some time, Ford buys them and they trade reliability with the adoption of mainstream parts from run of the mill Ford and Mazdas...those 323 tail lights on the DB97..that was such a weird move to cut costs. Surprised they survived really...that is almost single handedly from Bond films.
They have come a long way from their low. Maybe they continue to develop into something more with their deeper dive into Formula 1.
They have come a long way from their low. Maybe they continue to develop into something more with their deeper dive into Formula 1.
It doesn’t look good……
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The Vantage does look like a re-imagined GT. The only deviation I found attractive in that car is the manual shift option which I wish it would have been available just as an option for the AMG.
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I like what Aston has done especially with the manual option but once you get inside it all goes down hill. They ruined it with that dashboard design, it's just flat out odd with it's square shapes throughout.
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I’ve owned Aston’s, so was a big fan.
The new ones, to each their own - I now prefer modern electronic features, not predated MB displays. Plus not having a front lift, seems a must for a daily driver luxury GT automobile.
Also disappointed with the direction and financial stability of AML. Seems the SUV is AM only strong seller.
I am surprised too, they cannot at least to date - have the F1 team at least to be competitive in top tier.
That all said, I still like the newer DBS Superleggera a bunch.
The new ones, to each their own - I now prefer modern electronic features, not predated MB displays. Plus not having a front lift, seems a must for a daily driver luxury GT automobile.
Also disappointed with the direction and financial stability of AML. Seems the SUV is AM only strong seller.
I am surprised too, they cannot at least to date - have the F1 team at least to be competitive in top tier.
That all said, I still like the newer DBS Superleggera a bunch.
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I’ve owned Aston’s, so was a big fan.
The new ones, to each their own - I now prefer modern electronic features, not predated MB displays. Plus not having a front lift, seems a must for a daily driver luxury GT automobile.
Also disappointed with the direction and financial stability of AML. Seems the SUV is AM only strong seller.
I am surprised too, they cannot at least to date - have the F1 team at least to be competitive in top tier.
That all said, I still like the newer DBS Superleggera a bunch.
The new ones, to each their own - I now prefer modern electronic features, not predated MB displays. Plus not having a front lift, seems a must for a daily driver luxury GT automobile.
Also disappointed with the direction and financial stability of AML. Seems the SUV is AM only strong seller.
I am surprised too, they cannot at least to date - have the F1 team at least to be competitive in top tier.
That all said, I still like the newer DBS Superleggera a bunch.
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These are SO gorgeous!
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This. Id say the only time I have ever had an issue with throttle response is if I am climbing out of my Taycan Turbo and comparing the electric response to the ICE. Race and Sport + are my preferred driving mode, but if Im comparing it objectively, throttle response isnt an issue in these cars.
PS: And to show I am not a sexist I also asked for pre bird strike Fabio (alternatively People magazines 2021 sexiest man of the year Paul Rudd) clones for any women GT R owners. Although I don't think either is that big of a deal- I still asked. I am altruistic that way.
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How dare you Sir! Besides James is unAmerican- a US Marine would be a better look on the track. James is a short **** and uses a woman's pistol. A real hero would carry a Wilson Combat.
