veggie-d

ok here is the deal 1996 E300d I Shot my diesel injection pump on veggie oil.
I had it rebuilt 1500.00 replacing it and now it wont start. I think the pump to engine timingis off ai bit . It will run with i lil starting help but wont idle . the pump came back . with a mark on it i assummed it was a tdc. its seemed to be injecting fuel at the start of intake valve opening but maybe this is too soon . any help plz .

harkgar

Is vegetable oil harmful to the health of your diesel burner?

veggie-d

but the pump died
this was an experiment and here what happened .
bought the car as 130k got to 160 k free sushi oil all the way

after and 20kon oil the check engine light came on intermitenly
then all the time and then
car got slower and slower. . HAHAHHA 96 E300 d slower
my ford in runnunig strong on veggie . Mb 's have copper and other stuff that veggie will corrode and melt . but you didnt hear it from me .

harkgar

What on earth are you doing with a perfectly good Benzo?? Feeding her with garbage, all the time! I do not know what "sushi oil" is but I assume it is some free used cooking fat from restaurants or rendering plants. Your tail pipe must have been so stinky and I pity the guys driving behind you.

Is your Ford a Power Stroke?

veggie-d

sorry i didnt let you know i'm playing my own song in life

I have been off diesel for 4 yrs + why go back ?

#1 i dont want to save the planet . just go fast for free
#2 im not so rich like some pple that i dont accept free fuel as a great thing. because it is !!!
#3 I race and somtimes win, while racing my wife home ... my ride 2000ford excursion on yes filtered veggie oil . with fuel sys is modified !! / her ride 06 CDI silver /black and no its is not on veggie yet !

ok im montypython type crazy soo go figure

rides r

89mazada b2200 pic up w 89ford 5.0l ... cobra comp injectors .insky cam .1.6 roller rockers . bla bla bla (ca street legal) i did the work . why ?

2000 excrursion 7.3l psd chiped 4 in exhaust ballbuster turbo s. water meth injection . (yea ill smoke you ) 271 rwhp 671ft/lbs
O the biggest complaint i have gotten from diesel tech is it makes me hungry

96E 300D . goes and goes . but then i had to mess with it

06 CDI 20k silver blk wifes . i dont touch YET muhahahah

If you know any thing about diesel injection timing plz respond to my first post thx

harkgar

[QUOTE=veggie-d;1939219]sorry i didnt let you know i'm playing my own song in life

I have been off diesel for 4 yrs + why go back ?

#1 i dont want to save the planet . just go fast for free
#2 im not so rich like some pple that i dont accept free fuel as a great thing. because it is !!!
#3 I race and somtimes win, while racing my wife home ... my ride 2000ford excursion on yes filtered veggie oil . with fuel sys is modified !! / her ride 06 CDI silver /black and no its is not on veggie yet !

ok im montypython type crazy soo go figure

rides r

Veggie D,

I am not a tech and cannot advise you.

However, it is false economy to ruin a good 1996 Benzo diesel with used cooking oil. Furthermore, bio-diesel is not as good as petroleum stuff and power will be reduced, not a good idea if you are lead footed.

polarbexar

Uhh the first diesel was run on peanut oil...... Veggie oil is alot better than the old stuff we ran just a couple of years ago.

I'm not sure @ MB timingbut yeah you need everything at TDC to get a correct baseline. Then make adjustments from there. I could tell ya how too on a VW 1.9 TDI but I want a CDI after my W203 gives it up. Good luck getting fired up!!

polarbexar

[/QUOTE] bio-diesel is not as good as petroleum stuff and power will be reduced, not a good idea if you are lead footed.[/QUOTE]


Read up on the history and the future of diesel my friend.

polarbexar

[QUOTE=harkgar;1938647] Your tail pipe must have been so stinky and I pity the guys driving behind you.QUOTE]

Don't you like the french fies smell?

240D 3.0T

It could also run on coal dust, what's your point?

harkgar

[QUOTE=polarbexar;1943117]McDonald's Freedom Fries oil is OK but rendering plant fat is something else.

I heard R. Diesel used peanut oil but petroleum diesel has higher energy content. If peanut oil is superior in energy content car makers would have switched over since it is cheaper to produce.

polarbexar

"what's your point?"

I really don't want to get into a big dissertation about the merits of a renewable fuel source, Veggie oil is perfectly fine for fuel use in a diesel. Someone was stating that it is garbage. Rudalph Diesel use peanut oil, but no it was not cheaper to use, its just what he used.

harkgar

No offense.

I am speculating on the relative merits of diesel versus peanut oil for diesel engines prior to Bluetec. If other oils are perfect for the engine then MB would have built "diesel" engines to run on them instead of diesel oils.

Peanut and other vegie oils are cheaper then petroleum oils partly due to taxes but as soon as auto makers made cars to run on these they would be taxed highly too, just like liquor & tobacco.

polarbexar

My apologies, I thought Fuel was still taxed on BTU's and not what it was derived from.

I've known people in the past getting their fuel from waste jet fuel too. I wouldn't recommend that with a new Bluetec per say. It was free though. The diesel engine is named for the inventor not the type of fuel to run it. I would stickly follow MB guidelines if and when I buy a $60K car, atleast until the warranty was up.

I hope the original question was answered even though we've gotten off on this tangent.


Peace out

harkgar

Jet fuel is kerosene I think. MB said too much mix with diesel will decrease the power output in the 1999 E class handbook.

anghrist

You might want to post this on the mercedesshop website. Lots of good info there. There are two tools that can help with getting the correct timing. You can get them here: http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm#fuel

Part# 601 589 05 21 00 is the cheap way to go. I think you turn the pump until it clicks into place and them have the engine at TDC and then things go back together. The other more expensive part# 617 589 08 21 00 will work much easier at greater expense. Please seek other advice though. I'm just getting started on learning about my OM606.

Make sure you get the lines back in place correctly, see: posts at mercedesshop pertaining to the injection pump and leaks.

Also if you wish to run veggie in your OM606 you should use a conversion kit such as the one this guy offers: http://frybrid.com/mercedes.htm

I obviously don't have to tell you about the issues with veggie, boidiesel etc., but I will say not to give up yet. You probably just need to purge and clean the system from time to time to keep the IP happy.

anghrist

Either get a subscription to the Alldata DIY site or even better the MB WIS. Looks like MB WIS.net is only $18/day. Relatively cheap for info that you need when you need it.

Of course there's always eBay for WIS disks, but people here have had varying success there.