Want to Get 200 rwhp out of 99td, what is safest way?
10-23-2007, 04:29 PM
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Want to Get 200 rwhp out of 99td, what is safest way?
Going to buy another 99 W210 Diesel and want to get 200 rwhp out of it and make sure it stays a daily driver.
I can put around 3 - 4 grand getting it to that point , where would most if it go? I'd like to price parts and services also.
Any recommendation's would be appreciated.
Thank you in advance
I can put around 3 - 4 grand getting it to that point , where would most if it go? I'd like to price parts and services also.
Any recommendation's would be appreciated.
Thank you in advance
10-23-2007, 08:44 PM
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1982 300D VNT, 1980 240D 3.0T, 1982 300TD
1: Install a pyrometer, it's easy to melt pistons if you don't know the exhaust temperatures.
2: Upgrade the turbo, the stock KKK K14 is already pathetically small for an engine that big.
3: Get a chip upgrade for the engine computer. Search the forums, there are a few threads on chip tuning for that car.
2: Upgrade the turbo, the stock KKK K14 is already pathetically small for an engine that big.
3: Get a chip upgrade for the engine computer. Search the forums, there are a few threads on chip tuning for that car.
10-24-2007, 09:34 AM
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1: Install a pyrometer, it's easy to melt pistons if you don't know the exhaust temperatures.
2: Upgrade the turbo, the stock KKK K14 is already pathetically small for an engine that big.
3: Get a chip upgrade for the engine computer. Search the forums, there are a few threads on chip tuning for that car.
2: Upgrade the turbo, the stock KKK K14 is already pathetically small for an engine that big.
3: Get a chip upgrade for the engine computer. Search the forums, there are a few threads on chip tuning for that car.
A couple of more questions...
- Do you happen to know the exhaust diameter? I know changing the exhaust isn't going to add a ton more HP but it might aid in keep EGT's lower.
- What type of turbo? Can a VNT type turbo work well with that engine?
- Is there anyone around north Texas that can tune the car?
10-24-2007, 12:25 PM
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Going to buy another 99 W210 Diesel and want to get 200 rwhp out of it and make sure it stays a daily driver.
I can put around 3 - 4 grand getting it to that point , where would most if it go? I'd like to price parts and services also.
Any recommendation's would be appreciated.
Thank you in advance
I can put around 3 - 4 grand getting it to that point , where would most if it go? I'd like to price parts and services also.
Any recommendation's would be appreciated.
Thank you in advance
10-25-2007, 06:58 AM
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1982 300D VNT, 1980 240D 3.0T, 1982 300TD
A simple chip will certainly get you the 200hp you are looking for. But, an EGT gauge is definately something you should look into no matter what.
You can change to any kind of turbo you want. The main problem is that you will have to adapt anything you want to put on it thanks to a proprietary flange design that (AFAIK) is used only on that engine model.
I don't know the diameter of the exhaust on that car. I do know that there is at least one cat after the turbo that surely isn't helping performance.
You can change to any kind of turbo you want. The main problem is that you will have to adapt anything you want to put on it thanks to a proprietary flange design that (AFAIK) is used only on that engine model.
I don't know the diameter of the exhaust on that car. I do know that there is at least one cat after the turbo that surely isn't helping performance.
10-25-2007, 06:17 PM
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There is one cat after the turbo that is problematic. The element in mine came loose and started to rattle. I took off my exhaust system and "hollowed" out the cat and put it right back up. No more rattle. I also removed the stock muffler and added a Brabus muffler. I think I get a little more performance at higher RPM's. Its not a huge difference. See here: https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...Brabus+muffler
10-25-2007, 08:39 PM
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There is one cat after the turbo that is problematic. The element in mine came loose and started to rattle. I took off my exhaust system and "hollowed" out the cat and put it right back up. No more rattle. I also removed the stock muffler and added a Brabus muffler. I think I get a little more performance at higher RPM's. Its not a huge difference. See here: https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...Brabus+muffler
What year is your car? 1999? I would like to hollow out my cat too but have to wait for the warranty to lapse. Is your cat monitored by the computer? I worry about triggering the check engine light if I do something to the cat.
I believe that turbo diesels do not really need a muffler because the turbo acts as a muffler.
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A simple chip will certainly get you the 200hp you are looking for. But, an EGT gauge is definately something you should look into no matter what.
You can change to any kind of turbo you want. The main problem is that you will have to adapt anything you want to put on it thanks to a proprietary flange design that (AFAIK) is used only on that engine model.
I don't know the diameter of the exhaust on that car. I do know that there is at least one cat after the turbo that surely isn't helping performance.
You can change to any kind of turbo you want. The main problem is that you will have to adapt anything you want to put on it thanks to a proprietary flange design that (AFAIK) is used only on that engine model.
I don't know the diameter of the exhaust on that car. I do know that there is at least one cat after the turbo that surely isn't helping performance.
If the pyrometer is so important why is it not found on any MB diesel cars old or new?
10-26-2007, 06:22 AM
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Because MB does a s*it load of R&D before they put the engine on the road. They have tuned it as high as they can to where they get the most reliable power out of it for long periods of time without harming the engine.
If you are going to go anything beyond stock, you need to know if those changes are still within the engine's safe operating range.
I prefer to have pre-turbo EGT, intake boost and pre-turbo exhaust pressure gauges. Not only will they let me know if what I'm doing is safe for the engine but if one of them shows high or abnormal readings I'll know right away to back off the throttle or risk engine damage.
If you are going to go anything beyond stock, you need to know if those changes are still within the engine's safe operating range.
I prefer to have pre-turbo EGT, intake boost and pre-turbo exhaust pressure gauges. Not only will they let me know if what I'm doing is safe for the engine but if one of them shows high or abnormal readings I'll know right away to back off the throttle or risk engine damage.
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Don't forget that if you are going to replace a muffler on a turbodiesel it should be a straight-through design. Chambered mufflers (like flowmaster) normally used for gas engines do not flow well for turbo engines.
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10-26-2007, 07:11 AM
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Do you know of any that wont give the loud resonance at highway or idle?
I don't want the loud obnoxious motorcycle sound
10-26-2007, 10:15 AM
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My Brabus muffler sounds awesome. Its a low deep growl. It gets a little louder at higher rpms but is not obnoxious. I had a Remus on my W201 2.2D and it sounded like a honda with a coffee can muffler. Nasty.
10-26-2007, 10:16 AM
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What year is your car? 1999? I would like to hollow out my cat too but have to wait for the warranty to lapse. Is your cat monitored by the computer? I worry about triggering the check engine light if I do something to the cat.
I believe that turbo diesels do not really need a muffler because the turbo acts as a muffler.
What year is your car? 1999? I would like to hollow out my cat too but have to wait for the warranty to lapse. Is your cat monitored by the computer? I worry about triggering the check engine light if I do something to the cat.
I believe that turbo diesels do not really need a muffler because the turbo acts as a muffler.
10-26-2007, 07:35 PM
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Your muffler looks like one which you have hollowed out! Who makes one like this? If I were to do it now I shall simply cut off the 2 mufflers or divert the gas flow to the sides of the car like yours.
I read in HOT ROD or somewhere that you can install some "blocker" plates in the exhasut system that can be slided in and out of the system so that when it comes to emission testing time you can do the right thing and pass.
10-27-2007, 09:54 AM
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I think what you posted is a more sophisticated form of the same idea. Presumably the cable is hooked up inside the cabin of the car to control the switching.
The method I read about was done on a 1980s Mustang and had to be set under the car.
Where can I get more information on the part you posted?
The method I read about was done on a 1980s Mustang and had to be set under the car.
Where can I get more information on the part you posted?
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10-29-2007, 05:44 PM
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This really isn't that surprising given the fact that so many companies have downsized and consider outsourcing some production. So, what you are saying is that Brabus contracts with Remus to make its muffler components? There is nothing different with the production process? How about the angled tips that come on the Brabus muffler, which I don't see as an option for Remus?
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This really isn't that surprising given the fact that so many companies have downsized and consider outsourcing some production. So, what you are saying is that Brabus contracts with Remus to make its muffler components? There is nothing different with the production process? How about the angled tips that come on the Brabus muffler, which I don't see as an option for Remus?
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why not Ken?
The only problem with the 2005-2006 CDi is that the cats are located right behind the turbo making it difficult or impossible to route the gases out of the system before they hit the cat. I would imagine it is more useful on cars like the Bluetec with numerous filters. The device can at least bypass some of the 4 filters.
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Thanks all, it sounds like a chip and some exhaust mods is all that is needed for 200 rwhp...
What about 250, yeah...I'm getting greedy...
Thank you in advance for your help
What about 250, yeah...I'm getting greedy...
Thank you in advance for your help
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change the turbo (before you get a chip so the chip guy can set everything the first time)
chip (I recc. rocketchip as well) - avoiding tunning boxes as they just dump more fuel into the motor, and do not change boost levels
exuast will help. do not bother with expensive mufflers. staright pipe with a resonator so it does not whine on the highway. your turbo is a big muffler.
google "mufflerectomy" if you want to have the look of a muffler but with a straight pipe inside
also synth tranny fluid and maybe a cooler + rear diff oil change -> thi stuff is going to feel it with power mods
chip (I recc. rocketchip as well) - avoiding tunning boxes as they just dump more fuel into the motor, and do not change boost levels
exuast will help. do not bother with expensive mufflers. staright pipe with a resonator so it does not whine on the highway. your turbo is a big muffler.
google "mufflerectomy" if you want to have the look of a muffler but with a straight pipe inside
also synth tranny fluid and maybe a cooler + rear diff oil change -> thi stuff is going to feel it with power mods
