Any one running B20 in a 06 E320 CDI?
08-03-2009, 04:11 PM
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The fuel lines will basically "melt" (research Willie Nelson's E320 CDI and his adventures constantly repairing damage from his own Bio Willie B100), BioDiesel polymerizes in the common rail's 20,000psi+ pressures, using more than B5 will void any fuel system or engine repair warranty left (yes, they can and will test the fuel to determine its BioDiesel % if they suspect) and American BioDiesel is not required to meet any quality, content or performance standards.
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08-04-2009, 11:27 AM
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The fuel lines will basically "melt" (research Willie Nelson's E320 CDI and his adventures constantly repairing damage from his own Bio Willie B100), BioDiesel polymerizes in the common rail's 20,000psi+ pressures, using more than B5 will void any fuel system or engine repair warranty left (yes, they can and will test the fuel to determine its BioDiesel % if they suspect) and American BioDiesel is not required to meet any quality, content or performance standards.
I don't have warranty left.
So any experience with B20 out there?
08-04-2009, 02:29 PM
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Having no warranty left is even more reason to not screw up your car. It's NOT "permission." You know that those injectors are $750 each, right?
It will be a REALLY expensive political statement.
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08-04-2009, 03:56 PM
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I don't want to hear about expensive parts are or the folks who run home grown stuff and killed there engine.
I am looking for some real facts or experience on high grade B20.
And yes if I kill a part on my rig it is my dime!
Any real data or experience out there is appriciated.
08-05-2009, 07:01 AM
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MB limits use to B5 because its the maximum that won't cause significant issues.
You still have expensive parts to break.
FACT: There is no such thing as high grade BioDiesel in the USA. Base stock, quality and content varies greatly from brand to brand and area to area. BioDiesel does not have any standards or regulations to meet, its up to the producer and retailer to meet "suggested" standards and quality control.
Europe has required standards and uses much higher quality base stock than the US's waste vegetable oils and soy.
Thats fine, we'll leave it to the guy at the service desk let you know how much they cost.
I don't have warranty left.
Europe has required standards and uses much higher quality base stock than the US's waste vegetable oils and soy.
I don't want to hear about expensive parts are
08-05-2009, 04:11 PM
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Ikchris is right, you're not looking for facts or data, you're simply looking for permission.
Please do leave and stop wasting our time.
Please do leave and stop wasting our time.
08-06-2009, 02:13 AM
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MB limits use to B5 because its the maximum that won't cause significant issues.
You still have expensive parts to break.
FACT: There is no such thing as high grade BioDiesel in the USA. Base stock, quality and content varies greatly from brand to brand and area to area. BioDiesel does not have any standards or regulations to meet, its up to the producer and retailer to meet "suggested" standards and quality control.
Europe has required standards and uses much higher quality base stock than the US's waste vegetable oils and soy.
You still have expensive parts to break.
FACT: There is no such thing as high grade BioDiesel in the USA. Base stock, quality and content varies greatly from brand to brand and area to area. BioDiesel does not have any standards or regulations to meet, its up to the producer and retailer to meet "suggested" standards and quality control.
Europe has required standards and uses much higher quality base stock than the US's waste vegetable oils and soy.
Blue Sun's biodiesel fuels EXCEED the ASTMD6751 standard to bring you superior engine performance and reliability. The images below link to the ASTM standard.
http://gobluesun.com/main/solutions/...dieselfuel.php
Maybe some real data for a change
08-06-2009, 04:07 AM
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The ASTM D6751 standard for biodiesel has recently been developed and it has established high quality biodiesel fuel specifications. Diesel fuel industry stake holders can now be assured of high quality biodiesel fuel if it is certified as meeting ASTM D6751 specifications.
08-11-2009, 11:58 PM
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2006 E320 CDi, 2008 3/4 Ton Suburban, 2007 "rice rickshaw" Accord 5 speed
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I bought my 2006 E320 CDi because it has performance (the high pressure injection, high torque), is relatively easy to modify and it has no pee can emission junk. Why anyone wants to burn peanut oil and risk spoiling the engine is beyond me. I buy the best whenever I can - Sunoco Gold Diesel or Shell diesel. I want to keep this car for a long time. When the Obamaites are running around in AAA battery cars I would still be able to blow rich thick black smoke.
I bought my 2006 E320 CDi because it has performance (the high pressure injection, high torque), is relatively easy to modify and it has no pee can emission junk. Why anyone wants to burn peanut oil and risk spoiling the engine is beyond me. I buy the best whenever I can - Sunoco Gold Diesel or Shell diesel. I want to keep this car for a long time. When the Obamaites are running around in AAA battery cars I would still be able to blow rich thick black smoke.
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I used it for about 5 tanks, no problems, but it was Shell brand gas and Shell adds nitrogen to their gas and the nitrogen additive gave me fits.
08-27-2009, 11:09 AM
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Used B20 in my CDI several times. Never had an issue. Bought it from a name brand national fuel supplier, and the only reason I knew it was B20 was a very small blue sticker on the pump that advises so. I am sure several CDI/Bluetec owners are out there pumping and have no clue the quality of the fuel. I think it may depends on the State law of where you live as to the disclosure of the fuel content. I always make sure it says ULSD, but I have refuelled in other States and the blue content sticker (B5 or B20) is only sometimes posted, even within the same brand name.
Bottom line, if the station sold you B50 how would you know? Has anyone ever seen some inspector at a pump testing the bio content?
My advise, use ULSD from a reputable station, and drive on.
Bottom line, if the station sold you B50 how would you know? Has anyone ever seen some inspector at a pump testing the bio content?
My advise, use ULSD from a reputable station, and drive on.
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2006 E320 CDi, 2008 3/4 Ton Suburban, 2007 "rice rickshaw" Accord 5 speed
problem with "clean diesels"
Used B20 in my CDI several times. Never had an issue. Bought it from a name brand national fuel supplier, and the only reason I knew it was B20 was a very small blue sticker on the pump that advises so. I am sure several CDI/Bluetec owners are out there pumping and have no clue the quality of the fuel. I think it may depends on the State law of where you live as to the disclosure of the fuel content. I always make sure it says ULSD, but I have refuelled in other States and the blue content sticker (B5 or B20) is only sometimes posted, even within the same brand name.
Bottom line, if the station sold you B50 how would you know? Has anyone ever seen some inspector at a pump testing the bio content?
My advise, use ULSD from a reputable station, and drive on.
Bottom line, if the station sold you B50 how would you know? Has anyone ever seen some inspector at a pump testing the bio content?
My advise, use ULSD from a reputable station, and drive on.
Buying a 2006 and older diesel will make these fuel problems go away instantly.
Go hug a tree.
08-27-2009, 11:02 PM
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I've run quite a bit (50k miles?) of commercially prepared B99 through mine. No issues, other than perhaps hastening the deterioation of some fuel system orings and getting 10% less mpg's......I6 and V6 CDI's are a different species altogether.
