240D 3.0T

In other words, exactly everything as I already stated it a month ago. Nice try.

blowfish

i knew a Trans mechanic who ran pure used filtered ATF in his w126 300sd. He did this for 2 yrs now his car is still running as usual, he just parked it now because of bought another car. So for 2 yrs driving at least 20 miles per day ( work & home) it can't be all that detrimental?
Or in such case as chain smoker still healthy at 80 yrs old!

I guess there maybe some longterm ill effect, but 2 yrs why the car didn't die yet?

240D 3.0T

It sure is to the environment and the legal system.

These cars will run on trash for YEARS, you've proven it.

One persons stupid choice shouldn't justify it for all.

blowfish

Originally Posted by blowfish
it can't be all that detrimental?
It sure is to the environment and the legal system.

Sure the govt can justify it as depriving them with excellent source of revenue, In BC Canada the diesel is about 20 cents per litre, and a dollar of various taxes.
If more folks using SVO, used vege oil, ATF, Motor oil then the tax system can be more chaos. In UK, Karlifornia and probably more places will tax u if u didn't pay road tax.
U can put anything in the tank even if u pee into it u just have to pay tax accordingly.

If we go by what is Kosher in Environmental sense, we ought to close all our discussuions down, we all should be talking about riding bicycles! Our cars should have engines no bigger than the lawn mowers. We all got carried away with cars hitting 60 MPH sooner than we blink our eyes.
The Louisianna spill is only the beginning. Pretty soon the colour on our Lousianna shrimp cocktails will only have one colour same as Henry Ford's Model T, any colour u want as long as its Black.

240D 3.0T

That is false information. ATF is a hydraulic and lubricating oil, not a fuel.
That is false information. None of them are legal fuels because they cause engine damage, have very wide differences in content and quality.

Its spelled "California".

That is false information. A fuel must be registered with the EPA and DOT to ensure its safe to use (both for you and the public) and it doesn't adversely affect the vehicle's emissions.

And has nothing to do with anything.

That is false information. His cars were available in black, green, grey, red, maroon, brown and blue.

Wow, you've really got a LOT to learn!

blowfish

Wow, you've really got a LOT to learn!

I realise winning arguments at all costs or wage a Pyrrhic battle , my way or the highway win u very few friends, and either your family either be submissive like Edith in Archie's All in the family or ran away to join the circus long time ago.

We all live in the glass house, we all maybe enjoying a good pay check now every 2 weeks. Whatever goes around comes around. But one day we could be looking for oil at the dumpster to find fuel.
Please dont be condescending at the ones who need to do that now.

If u never heard of Karlifornia, u have no sense of humour.

Rudolf Diesel invented the engine to ran on Peanut oil, haven't we all forgotten ?
Vege oil is much cleaner than your DOT EPA approved Diesel at the pump.


The Louisianna spill is only the beginning. And has nothing to do with anything.
Uncle Sam was desperately trying to find more oil, as trying wean off the dependency on Oil from Middle east, It takes a little bit more brain to connect the two. Just unluckily 12 people died and the BP's safety measures was not adequately done.

If we only sit back do only what is kosher at this moment our World can never go forward.

This is a discussion board everybody are entitle to his/her opinion. There is never really right or wrong arguments anyways.

harkgar

Mr. Blowfish:

You are a Libertarian like myself. I question authorities of any kind when I feel that they are wrong. This is very American (apart from Uncle Sam Obama). He is for change, for better or the worst. With offshore "drill baby drill" (a Republican war cry by the way) he is right in taking other people's advice. The stupid British Petroleum people spoiled it all. It is a black mark on BP, not offshore drilling.

I would do what is best for my car engines to achieve maximum power and economy and if this is not to the liking of others, it is tough cheese. I had burnt ATF too in my 1999 VW TDi as a fuel additive and it actually made the engine noticeably smoother and quieter. A local dealership MB mechanic in the 1098s also told me that this practice was common with his customers' cars. Maybe the older cars can tolerate this much better than the new ones.

When fuel is scarce, people would do anything. North America is rich. In China peasants will burn clear cutting firewood and scrappy pieces of coal fallen off coal trains. Anything that produces energy. In Africa, dried cow dung is a staple fuel. The "environment" and "Mother-****er-Earth" can take a second place to survival. Environmentalism is a luxury not a right.

isstay

I found this info, it may help to clarify some questions.

blowfish

My Marine Mechanic fnd told me they did tried burning Used motor oil in the boat, is not worth it though, it gummed up the injection pump.

I am mixing some filtered ATF with mines seems to be OK.
Sadly the price of oil & benzene is on the rise again. Is at $1.15 in BC now. God know how high is it going to go this time.

Few yrs ago I talked to a guy who drove mainly on Filt veg oil in his Merc TD. He's on some sort of disability pension, if we ban this or charging the same amount of tax all these underdogs will be grounded. Should we be so self righteous to ban these folks from the road because they can't pay retail at the pump?

And also in BC probably exists elsewhere, folks in the gas stn biz steal gas from credit cards and sell them for a good price too. I dont wanna to be involved in such funny biz.

N America had been enjoying too long with cheap gas, when I first drove the gas was 46.9 an Imperial gal. Fnd's told me in US were 20 Cents or so a gal, if a gas war ever occurred u can bet they beg u to just fill up the tank. Some folks will tow a mini Tanker to fill her up. But storing too much Benzene can be very dangerous. Many folks found out the hard way by not venting there pleasure craft when hitting the Kontact switch prematurely.

harkgar

Blowfish:
Are you located in Vancouver? You are next to Alberta, the land of milk and honey and petroleum and yet you pay more at the pump. Where did all the taxes go? The free spending Liberals, PCs and NDPs and whatever Pees should get out of their limos and walk. Dirty dogs.

Sathinas

Just make sure you keep a bottle of the stuff in your vehicle. The odds of you being pulled over and having your tank "dipped" are damned near astronomical, but if you do, the fuel will come out red.

Then you'll have a good time explaining to the cop that it's not OffRoad diesel (red dyed), but actual tranny fluid.

blowfish

I was living in Northern BC from 03-06 the Cops stopped doing these checking for a while. Some say because of filler pipe is too crooked to put a stick in to draw sample.
A lot of the folks do that then.

One guy said he could buy home fuel oil for 70 some cents a litre, not sure if they put any dye in it.
U need to have a tank in your house just to pretend that u actually using it for home heating.


BC we are being taxed almost a dollar when the fuel only cost 20 cents.
Now is a $1.15 for gas or diesel /litre.

240D 3.0T

Um, FYI, there is nothing to "ban" because it was never legal to use it in the first place.

Yes. People that can't/won't drive is the whole reason public transit exists.

For which he will give you the EXACT same ticket.

If you aren't willing to pay to maintain the roads you drive on, stop using them.

Sathinas

Respectfully, I beg to differ. I've had my fuel tanks dipped when I was running ATF in a Cummins ISB motor. I explained to the State Trooper that it was ATF, showed him the bottle between my 100 Gal Weatherguard tank and the bed rail, the auxiliary tank itself (which of course had green dyed diesel in it, as well as my last fuel receipt, (I had just filled up 20 miles before), which I have purposely set up to show fill-up mileage.

The trooper did not see the need to arrest me and call the IRS to raid my equipment yard.

But what do I know...

blowfish

Then you'll have a good time explaining to the cop that it's not OffRoad diesel (red dyed), but actual tranny fluid. For which he will give you the EXACT same ticket.

Is only illegal in UK , Calif as they have to levy tax for anything u put in as fuel.

When u put in dyed fuel, it is illegal because fuel tax was not levied on them as they were designated for Home heating or industrial/farm use.



If you aren't willing to pay to maintain the roads you drive on, stop using them.

In your opinion Uncle Sam should not be setting up Universal Medicare Insurance, instead of bring back Auschwiz to gas these useless people who does no contribution to society.
Becareful what u prayed for though, u may inadvertently getting it.

Sathinas

WTF does that "rant" all that have to do with adding some transmission fluid to your fuel tank?

But since you started it...

In my opinion, Uncle Sam should not (and by the powers enumerated to "him" by the US Constitution, cannot) force people to purchase something they don't want to purchase. In this case, Universal Health Insurance.

How does not agreeing with the Universal Health Care bill mean that someone wants Auschwitz to be brought back? Do you even know what you're saying? Oh, and Incidentally, the ****'s WERE socialists. Read up on your history before you just repeat the talking points you read on Huff Post. You might actually learn something, instead of just repeating talking points you don't even understand.

Why should "I" pay for "your" health care? Sell your MB and buy yourself a Chevrolet. Then, "you'll" be able to afford the extremely expensive $155.00 monthly premiums for medical Insurance. Besides, if you're a Liberal driving a Mercedes you're a hypocrite. Shouldn't "you" be supporting "your" car companies, GM and Chrysler?

ps. By "you" and "I" I mean people in general, I'm not making this about you and I personally.

RobertG

If only our tax money would actually go to maintaining roads.

2005 E320 CDI

Finally, someone actually gets it

blowfish

How true is this?

Just like in British Columbia we have this Carbon tax, and now they merge the 2 taxes together namely HST. The 2 taxes is Provincial T and Federal namely GST Good Services Tax.

Before the HST we only pay GST 7% when we dine out at McD or your favorite Steak, Mugs & Jugs, Hooters etc.
But now u get the both together whether u like it or not.

The tax just get more & more convoluted by the day.

The politicians just switch & bait before u knew it u got sold down the river!

Forsure we all want to be good citizen but it kind of ended up in places u detest.
And when is the Iraq is going to end?

I can see forsure if every guy & his cousins are going to put Vege oil, ATF, Motor oil in their tank the IRS , Tax folks will put a clamp down and taxes will be levied, just enjoy a little bit now.
Mind u for most average folks this is not going to happen, is too much work, messy and if u buy them retail the cost will be no difference than the Diesel or Benzene readily at the pump.

For gas engine one can look at making homebrew and distill them into Alcohol, but one need to make a lot just to drive to Safeway.

blowfish

Sathinas
How long have u been using ATF? any if effect I hope not, I do that just little bit, I get free vege oil from a Pizza joint and a Chinese rest.
My ATF mech has since parked his Merc so I kind of get all his ATF oil.
So far I had been mixing them at 40-60% I try ti keep at 50.
I have been stuck a few times so I dont wanna to repeat again.

Fried one inj pump in my 88 F250 with vege oil, or perhaps she's getting too old. It has 300,000 miles or 500 km.
Now my trucks I dont use any funny stuff in it, I dont use them a lot.
I have a F350 tow a 16ft car trailer, thats the last one I need to get stuck on the road, as towing a truck & trailer home will greatly defeats any mulla I save!

harkgar

I agree with you and 240 DT. Home made bio-diesel is false economy. I used ATF in my older diesel in the belief that it would lubes the car better, rightly or wrongly. It is very tough to beat the taxman because if we can brew bio-diesel at home they will find ways to tax it or ban it, all in the name of using your tax dollars for your own good.

Whenever a pimply faced cop stops you for exceeding an arbitrary speed limit it is never for your taxation dollars but rather his concern for your own "safety". It is a case of patronizing I know better than you and I am being cruel to be kind. What a whole lot of rap without the C.

240 DT is a good contributor to this site but he is hopelessly brained washed when it comes to government propaganda. If you do not believe it come up to Canada and experience the People's Republic of Ontario. Lots of radar guns here and "racing laws".

blowfish

I heard in Ont if u speed 50 more than posted limit u car will be impounded and need to pony up a few mulla to get her back.
I heard the first day they nabbed many cars, including some exotics being driven by car jockeys or repair shop personnel.

My bro was hit by some Taiwanese kid trying to race in city, the kid thought he had enuf space to get out of the way as my bro was trying to make a L turn. They shave off the right rear corner of his Porsche. The culprit driver had even broke his forearm from this accident. To make the plot thicken the kid driver is a Learner!
I suppose he will drag down his Chapperone who suppose to supervise his driving, and there was several witness came forward to say the kid's BMW was racing with another X5 weaving in & out thru the street prior to the accident.

I suppose this kid won't be driving in a hurry literally.
Case like that i cannot condone, if u wanna race do it on the freeway atleast or go to a track.
Street racing had killed many innocent folks here in the city.

Harkgar had u hanged out in www.mbfanatics.org ?
I used to but is kind of petering out nowadays. Used to be real good when it was Mbcanada.com

KB3MMX

If you wan to improve lubricity in your fuel system and improve mileage, try mixing a small amount of ashless 2 Stroke oil.
ATF is not intended to be burnt and doesn't belong in any fuel system.
Cetane bost is also a great thing to use for a mileage improvement and smoke reduction from more efficient combustion.

Here's a good recent article on a test of some fuel additives:
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/f...est/index.html

240D 3.0T

That will do nothing.

KB3MMX

Nothing huh, lol