240D 3.0T

Yes. Adding even 16oz to a 21 gallon tank is only a 168:1 ratio. Adding a "small" amount as you suggest (4oz average bottle size for 1Gal gas tanks) is a 672:1 ratio!

Such a minute amount will have no effect on the fuel system's lubricity and is physically impossible to produce a significant increase in fuel economy. 2-stroke oil doesn't increase BTUs over an identical volume of Diesel or contain anything that alters the Diesel's chemistry. Even if you consider the added volume of oil is unaccounted for in the fill volume of fuel, 16oz would change MPG from 25mpg to 25.15mpg, and if used consistently would not change the MPG number at all.

If adding 2-stroke oil were such a major advantage then every brand of station would be doing it and marketing the hell out of it to bring in more customers.

KB3MMX

So you didn't bother to read the test in the link.

240D 3.0T

You mean the link to a magazine article that was conducted by enthusiasts under non-controlled conditions? Come back when you've got a link to a peer-reviewed article performed by experienced scientists that can find credible, reproducible, results.

KB3MMX

How about proving them, myself and so many others wrong when we have all seen a boost in our average MPG after using something so simple.
Also, do you want to take a stab at what the dilution rates are for most diesel lubricant, anti-gel or Cetane improvement additives? It doesn't take a large quantity...but wait, you say they do nothing.
Go talk to Stanadyne and tell them that, LMAO !!

240D 3.0T

How about you prove it works? For so many to claim it "works", I have yet to see a credible test conclude that it does actually work. I have better things to do with my time and money than put crap in my tank that wasn't designed to be used with diesel.

The same, however, as noted before, they are designed with a specific planned outcome for diesel fuel. 2-stroke oil is designed to mix with gasoline to (in atomized form) lubricate the piston and bearings of weedeaters, chainsaws, blowers and scooters.

Try acting less like a sarcastic child and more like an educated adult.

KB3MMX

Haha, a funny guy, LMAO.
How about taking some midol and a nap

As you said, 2 stroke is a lubricant for gas 2 stroke engines that have no lube however putting it in diesel doesn't change that its a lubricant designed to be burnt!
I don't need more proof than seeing my MPG average has want up repeatedly after using it and the motor runs noticeably smoother.
I pay a lot more attention to mileage than most people but so what, who cares? It does give me the reason for continued use though when I see the results and the extra lube could extend the life of the wear items in the injection system. The articles and other peoples testimonials only back up what I have witnessed.

Nobody said YOU have to use it but discounting someone's experience when you have never tested it yourself seems pretty stupid, petty and immature.

How about testing yourself and then coming back in 6 months and tell everyone it doesn't work then....it'll never happen unless its a Lie.

Or option B, don't be a armchair quarterback about something you have ZERO experience with?

KB3MMX

Do you always act like this on here? IMO, You come off as a real spoiled teenage punk with your posts sometimes.

Anyway, you do understand that he(mi Benz) was correct that the plungers and barrels live in diesel, only the "underside" of the plungers are lubed by engine oil....add the injectors to a wear area that relies on lubricity of the fuel as well.

240D 3.0T

Okay little boy. I'll leave you to play with the other children. If any adults would like to continue the discussion, please chime in.

It also doesn't change the fact its not designed to mix with diesel and that it doesn't come in contact with anything when in atomized form.

Nobody is trying to convince you it works, in your imagination it already works, we are asking you to convince us.

Actually you don't. Your duramax was designed to operate with ULSD, increasing lubricity will have zero effect on component life.

If you believe anecdotes then I have a cage fan here that thousands of people testify will work as a supercharge and add up to 50hp. I'll make you a deal and sell it to you for $200, $100 off the average price.

Have you tested that jumping off a 10 story building hurts? I haven't but I believe others that it does. How about you go test that theory and I'll watch the news for your result.

Let me repeat myself for the children (you) in this thread)...
"I have yet to see a credible test conclude that it does actually work. I have better things to do with my time and money than put crap in my tank that wasn't designed to be used with diesel."
You need to take a look in the mirror little boy. Do you even own a Mercedes or do you just enjoy trolling forums and making yourself look ignorant?

I'm sorry if education and real-world experience scares you.

That is false information.

Also false information. The only significant wear area of an injector is the nozzle seat where it sees frequent (contact) impact with metal.

If you wish to continue the discussion I suggest you open a book, preferable by a reputable source such as Bosch, and catch up with everyone else here.

KB3MMX

Ok, so you have proved nothing tough guy other than you must have limited knowledge of the workings of the injection system let alone hands on experience with a diesel.

So , again, how about stepping up to the plate like a big boy and doing some testing of your own instead of all the teenage outbursts of hot air?
When you have actually tried what you want to ridicule people for then by all means , voice your disgust but you currently have ZERO, NADA, ZILCH to offer anyone other than opinion due your lack of experience.

Run along now and get busy.

240D 3.0T

Please child, do not interrupt the discussion.

KB3MMX

hit the road Tard, you have offered nothing except hot air.

Where's any of your data showing ANY proof of fact in your "argument", you don't have any, LMAO !!

Grow up.

240D 3.0T

You keep interrupting us. Please go play with the other kids.

KB3MMX

Brilliant

240D 3.0T

You keep trying but your words make no impact.

KB3MMX

I see you still haven't come up with anything to support your weak argument.

blowfish

Dont worry this 240D dude is a pretty sick puppy, needs a lot of help.
u do have a lot of internal issues that the very reason u need to be self righteous, branding everybody a thief, liar.
I bet u cant look into a mirror to have a good look at yourself. U cannot be at peace with yourself and everybody else. I take u have more fingers in 1 hand than u have as friends.
God help u.

KB3MMX

Thanks... I think.

All 240D needs to do is provide something other than his heresay in the argument but he has no tests or data of any sort.
At least I have provided a link to a test with some data....where is his data from tests that says it doesn't work??......Crickets

240D 3.0T

Thats pretty obvious.

How will a story book character help me?

KB3MMX

You sound like the next Arizona nutjob.

Have you had enough time to get anything to support your argument yet?

Snakedr

BP, Shell and Chevron all exceed the European spec. BP and Shell limit their product to a max of 450 microns with an typical test of 400.

All this info is easily accessed on you favorite fuel vendor web site.

KB3MMX

Thank you!! Someone that has some real data in their post!
Biodiesel addition is another excellent way to reduce that wear scar value from improved lubricity. I remember reading that a small percentage 2-5% volume added to conventional diesel had a fairly significant increase in lubricity.....and is meant to be burnt, unlike ATF.

http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/f...Lubricity.PDF*


http://www.uiweb.uidaho.edu/bioenerg...cation/06.pdf*


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blowfish

240D
a question, if you're so smart how come you not rich, people with your knowledge should be arriving in Maybach or we should say u being frugal driving 30 yrs old cars, commanding several grand to do a speech or write for the state of Union address.
so why would u argue here for nothing and get no respect, sink down to our low ground level?

mi benz

I've been to those fuel sites, and never saw any claims to < 450 micron, with the exception of BP Supreme. Please post a link if you ever come across one for Shell. Thanks.

KB3MMX

I'm still waiting on any relevant info to back up your dogmatic commentary 240.



Here's more info on testing of fuel additives: http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=177728



Oh darn, look how the wear scar decreased with cheap 2 Stroke oil.

KB3MMX

LMAO! !