CJATE

I bought this car to convert to WVO, I did not want the chemicals around the house/kids to do Bio.

trying to pick between the kits, but the only info i can find is on that particular kits site / forum, so the info is jaded.

Frybird or Greascar or other?

and why?

96 E300D.

from what I can tell, the Greascar does a better job of marketing/info flow, but the frybird kit might be better w/ less support.


thoughts?

2slowcdi

Try http://www.tdiclub.com there is a forum all about what people have done and what works and what problems came up.
It's on the VW diesels but it will give you a better place to start looking.

Good Luck.

Whargoul

Buy a spare car, WVO will kill that engine.

CJATE

This engine had inherent problems with WVO? Or in your experience wvo kills any diesel?

What's your experience?

Whargoul

Sorry, I'm not dumb enough to use WVO. I use BioDiesel.

CJATE

very helpful, thank you for contributing to my thread.

EdzBenz

Get the greasecar kit. Two tank systems are the way to go. Make sure you externally insulate the coolant lines running to the fuel tank. Map out your fuel injection system well prior to cutting lines/installing anything. Once the system is in, check the temperature of your fuel tank to ensure it is getting up to temperature properly. The horror stories you hear about WVO are from people that don't properly source/filter oil or have an improperly set up WVO system.

CJATE

That is the way I was leaning.

I am my own oil source, so I'm comfortable with that side.


Thanks

arturo71

[quote=CJATE;5145575]That is the way I was leaning.

I am my own oil source, so I'm comfortable with that side.


I just bought a used E300d with a professionally installed GreaseCar conversion kit, dual tank. I haven't run any wvo in it yet, but I will keep you posted.

Just curious, you said you are your own oil source?

CJATE

I own a restaurant

Whargoul

Good for you. Be sure to let the EPA know how you're getting rid of your oil.

CJATE

I'll do just that. Is not regulated, and what any collector would do.

Is better for the environment then your bio.

But, thanks again for contributing? You are very helpful!

CJATE

FYI, the IRS and txDOT don't care either.

Whargoul

Incorrect.
A licensed collector would properly dispose of or recycle the oil.

Also incorrect.
You're drastically reducing the lifespan of the engine and drastically increasing its emissions.

CJATE

Now that the helpful guy is banned, am I the only one here ready to talk wvo?

arturo71

I'm a big supporter of the WVO idea. I've got a 97 E300d which was running quite well on both diesel and veggie. I'm trying to work out a fuel line problem now, which I don't think is related to the veggie.

My understanding is that most alternative fuel problems arise from using biodiesel, which is quite different than wvo. The reagent used in biodiesel production is sodium methoxide, which is quite caustic, and dangerous if gotten on the skin or in the eyes. I doubt that biodiesel, per se, is damaging to engine parts. I suspect that most of the problems you hear about (damaged fuel systems) are in fact due to leftover sodium methoxide in the biodiesel solution.
theoretically, since wvo involves no chemical processing, and is in fact a food substance, there should be no chemical issues with the fuel system.
I suspect any wvo problems are due to the physical properties of the oil itself, such as high viscosity, or particulate matter. These problems should be easily remedied with a well designed WVO system.
Good luck with your veggie project. Driving around on free fuel is a great feeling!

arturo71

p.s. that Whargoul guy was really annoying.
good riddance

iankayem

I don't care how much you pay for your WVO, it will still work out too expensive!

I have seen too many problems on cars running with it. They may be minor irritations like erratic starting, rough running, or excess smoke. Or they may be more serious like Arturo71's not starting, or even complete premature engine failure.

I have had diesel engines for 25 years and hold them in high esteem. Whats better than to show them respect and let them drink good fuel, be that mineral or bio!

PS: I have no association or sympathy to Whargoul

arturo71

My no-start problem may be due to the veggie fuel, true...but then again it may not.
prior to my problem, the engine ran beautifully on both veggie and diesel, getting over 40mpg. there was no discernible difference in engine performance when switching between the two, other than the fact than the wvo produced a less noxious exhaust.

I drive a lot, and my current gasoline bill is about $4700 per year. Any damage caused to the fuel system in my car can easily be repaired for far less than that.

I've got a good wvo connection. A friend of my is a restaurant manager. Not only does he provide me with free oil, he filters it with their food grade filtration device. I estimate that I will save about 4-5 thousand dollars this year alone, which is almost as much as I paid for the entire car.

CJATE

More on your problems? it may be too late as I started laying out my system last night.

I do hope you filter your own oil. I will tell you the food grade filter is probably at 20 microns. it gets a bunch of chunks of Chicken fried steak out but is not intended to clean the oil so much as remove things (like flower) that burn... and if he drops anything frozen into the oil such as french fries, you will need to de-water (even if only a little bit).

Carsy

Try to pick up an old ships centrifuge !!. Removes particles & water.

Charun

No, many other people lack critical thinking and mechanical skills.

Greasey Bob

I started running grease in 2000 when diesel was $1.39 per gallon. I must have had 10 cars and 500k miles on grease. Yes it helps to work in a restaurant. I blew up two VW. They were $900 each new and I save $5000 in fuel a fair trade. Lesson is VW kinda suck. I had a TDI that blew the wiring harness, "must have been the grease in the engine" Some actually told me this! The best grease vehicle ever is my wifes 2006 Jeep Liberty, 75k trouble free miles. Or did the grease cause the ball joints in the front end to go out? Old 5 cylinder Mercedes are great grease cars but they are all almost 30 years old. I did work on a 95 E300d with 24V head it worked well also.

Change your oil more often when running grease. Because if only a little is getting in the engine over time it will turn to plastic that would be bad.

I design and build all of my own system.

I use a centrifudge to filter extremly well.

And there are forum for greaser you should read one. This is a MB forum they just happen to have a lot of diesels.

GREASECAR-BENZ

just to add a little to this thread.


I just bought a 1999 E300TD with 125k miles, which the last 50k are on wvo with a greasecar kit.


I bought the car in Dayton, OH and drove it to Baltimore, MD on wvo.


I couldn't even feel the difference between wvo and diesel when I played around a little and switched over

GregMN

This link is to the system I installed in a 350SDL, but it is the same system I installed in my 1996 E300D: http://oldhouselights.com/_private/3...Conversion.htm

The E300D currently has 326k, 152k on WVO. Not a single WVO related issue in 152,000 miles. No blow-by, no crankcase oil consumption, changed original injectors at 320k, runs WVO fine at temps. well below zero.