Another 2010 ML350 Bluetec engine seized
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Was AEM performed? The car would be subject to extended warranty.
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Regarding 2. I did not get a sample of the oil and don't know if the AEM was performed on this car. It was otherwise out of warranty a long time ago.
Interesting discussion with one of the remanufacturers of these engines ... he sees way more of these coming out of M and GL classes than Sprinters and pointed to the extra heat shielding that M and GL classes have that Sprinters do not. I may remove some of the heat shielding when the engine is out. I will be buying a long block and have the rest transferred.
Interesting discussion with one of the remanufacturers of these engines ... he sees way more of these coming out of M and GL classes than Sprinters and pointed to the extra heat shielding that M and GL classes have that Sprinters do not. I may remove some of the heat shielding when the engine is out. I will be buying a long block and have the rest transferred.
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I've found a few sources in Texas (I'm in Arizona), and on the low end they are around $7,000. Seems there's no top end, prices up to $15,000. A came across one in Canada and a few in Europe as well but didn't look into them any further.
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Regarding 2. I did not get a sample of the oil and don't know if the AEM was performed on this car. It was otherwise out of warranty a long time ago.
Interesting discussion with one of the remanufacturers of these engines ... he sees way more of these coming out of M and GL classes than Sprinters and pointed to the extra heat shielding that M and GL classes have that Sprinters do not. I may remove some of the heat shielding when the engine is out. I will be buying a long block and have the rest transferred.
Interesting discussion with one of the remanufacturers of these engines ... he sees way more of these coming out of M and GL classes than Sprinters and pointed to the extra heat shielding that M and GL classes have that Sprinters do not. I may remove some of the heat shielding when the engine is out. I will be buying a long block and have the rest transferred.
This site will give you info on AEM. If your car had it done. you can try to open the claim.
The same block engines in Sprinters are derated to 168 HP, have 15 l oil pans and DPF double the size. Meaning even they have the same pistons, the engine operate with quite different parameters.
Good luck.
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Thanks for the link kajtek1! My GL did not have it done.
Regarding the reduced HP, larger oil capacity, etc of sprinter vans ... those sound like more practical reasons for better engine durability but I do wonder about heat dissipation. Is anyone adding oil inspection/surge tank/other kinds of mitigating equipment?
Regarding the reduced HP, larger oil capacity, etc of sprinter vans ... those sound like more practical reasons for better engine durability but I do wonder about heat dissipation. Is anyone adding oil inspection/surge tank/other kinds of mitigating equipment?
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Sprinters also have quite different cooling system. I did not measure radiator size, but it has to be bigger, than you have engine-driven big fan, with vacuum-operated clutch plus 2 electric fans.
That said, those engines in Sprinters run close to 100% of available HP most of the time, when in SUV you seldom use more than 50%
That said, those engines in Sprinters run close to 100% of available HP most of the time, when in SUV you seldom use more than 50%
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The Sprinters are commercial workhorses, so as Kajtek said they run at pretty much full power all of the time. Running them at such a high duty cycle actually results in almost no water vapour ending up in the crankcase because it fully evaporates, thus lowering oxidation that can lead to sludging. The larger oil capacity is to simply allow for a reasonable OCI for the mileage they cover. I don't think cooling had anything to do with the engine failure... when you get oil sludging, it is because the oil was left in for far too long.
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The pictures of other engines show that low -mileage oil turned into gelatin, what has to be result of chemical reaction of new emission system and inadequate oil with wrong chemical balance.
Sprinters have bigger oil pans, but then 20k miles oil change intervals.
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That would be if that was actual sludge.
The pictures of other engines show that low -mileage oil turned into gelatin, what has to be result of chemical reaction of new emission system and inadequate oil with wrong chemical balance.
Sprinters have bigger oil pans, but then 20k miles oil change intervals.
The pictures of other engines show that low -mileage oil turned into gelatin, what has to be result of chemical reaction of new emission system and inadequate oil with wrong chemical balance.
Sprinters have bigger oil pans, but then 20k miles oil change intervals.
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I generally have bad opinions about mechanics and assuming they are knowledgeable in chemistry would be my last guess. How low-education guy can tell sludge from gelatin?
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In the end, it comes down to not enough oil changes and excessive heat. Hmmmm, where'd I hear that before....?
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Ml350 bluetec
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Excessive heat? Really, sludge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_sludge
Some people have the need to regurgitate crap they have read on some "conspiracy" site for no other reason than stoking their own ego and/or adding fuel to the fire, without having the slightest clue about what it is they are actually talking about. Peter is one of them.
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The OM642 cars that have no problems are the ones that are driven hard (as in regularly get up to temperature and stay there) and have frequent oil changes. The Mercedes diesel recall (AEM) among other things adds a HIGHER temperature thermostat that runs the engine even hotter on purpose.
Some people have the need to regurgitate crap they have read on some "conspiracy" site for no other reason than stoking their own ego and/or adding fuel to the fire, without having the slightest clue about what it is they are actually talking about. Peter is one of them.
Some people have the need to regurgitate crap they have read on some "conspiracy" site for no other reason than stoking their own ego and/or adding fuel to the fire, without having the slightest clue about what it is they are actually talking about. Peter is one of them.
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The most severe heat is when the engine is turned off after the engine/turbo are ran hard. The turbo is almost glowing during a hard drive. The fresh oil to the turbo is stopped when the car is off and left over oil in turbo is over heated. When I get off the highway, I run the car gently before turning it off to have the turbo cool down. Oil is for lubricating and cooling. Sludge is a sign of dirt or excessive heat (polymerization).
commercial sprinters have engine on most of the day, use the cheaper MB approved oil under $4 gal oil and not Johnny’s home brewed $30 quart oil.
Dealers will also take short cuts too. Had a few charges when the service was not done or improper fluids used.
commercial sprinters have engine on most of the day, use the cheaper MB approved oil under $4 gal oil and not Johnny’s home brewed $30 quart oil.
Dealers will also take short cuts too. Had a few charges when the service was not done or improper fluids used.
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There's a shock, Zig and Zag agree.
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The most severe heat is when the engine is turned off after the engine/turbo are ran hard. The turbo is almost glowing during a hard drive. The fresh oil to the turbo is stopped when the car is off and left over oil in turbo is over heated. When I get off the highway, I run the car gently before turning it off to have the turbo cool down. Oil is for lubricating and cooling. Sludge is a sign of dirt or excessive heat (polymerization).
commercial sprinters have engine on most of the day, use the cheaper MB approved oil under $4 gal oil and not Johnny’s home brewed $30 quart oil.
Dealers will also take short cuts too. Had a few charges when the service was not done or improper fluids used.
commercial sprinters have engine on most of the day, use the cheaper MB approved oil under $4 gal oil and not Johnny’s home brewed $30 quart oil.
Dealers will also take short cuts too. Had a few charges when the service was not done or improper fluids used.
The main reason for oil sludging is moisture in the crankcase (which occurs when the oil is not hot enough for the moisture to evaporate) and fuel dilution, which is a known problem in the OM642 when using fuel with a >5% biodiesel content which is what comes out of the pumps in roughly half of the continental US states. Combine that with people who mostly drive the car on short runs (diesels are definitely not the right vehicles for mostly short journeys) and only change the oil at the maximum prescribed intervals, and you have a recipe for disaster.
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There's got to be some forum on Parler or InfoWars where you can vent all you want without fear of looking stupid. Why do you keep trolling here when you obviously have nothing of value to contribute?
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Hi, I am new to this forum. Why I joined was I saw your problem and wanted to reach out and say a couple general things, and I will followup with a personal reply when I have time to finish my explanations, both legal and technical. First, when you hired the attorney and tried to get response from MB and met with a strong arm push back... basically you were unjustifiably harassing them: when this happens it means their attorney is hiding something, usually, major... and major means here from serious callous disregard as to a duty owed the customer, and or criminal activity by the Company's managers. That is how you should have read the response. Second, there are major issues with the Bluetec diesel and every single one of them was or had to be know by MB and their managers and engineers. The recent settlement of the EPA/private class action on the Bluetec diesel emission system failures are part but not anywhere near the complete known problems. The attorneys handling it for the class were in my opinion, I am not speaking with naivety, violated their duty under Rule 11, Candor to the court, 37 C.F.R. 11.303 [ https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/37/11.303 ], by withholding the other problems beyond MB cheating in the emissions. The court acted outside of its standards of review as to arbitrary-or-capricious and substantial evidence, due to the withholdings as to all the problems from the court. See one of the fundamentals of English-American Common Law is to provide finality in the dispute resolution, finality includes having all known issues settled, that relate to the issues of the complaint, you cannot hold back without either giving up ability to go back later or as to the Court providing finality. I am working on a little writing explaining the issues involved as to the engineering / management failures, and second as to the technical aspects. In the early 1990s, I ran into similar problems with another IC engine running on a high level of exhaust gas recirculation. That was in a research program run by NASA Harvard, Yale, and MIT Universities. I would have thought those involved at MIT, due to the history of that school with the Taylor bros. and their thermal machines research would have figured it all out... but no... same here. Such are the times we live in. I was thinking, you can fine some really nice 2006-2009 era E class cars without these problems and probably the best of the MB diesels the OM606 engine, and you can on even the electronically controlled fuel injector change the injector pump over to a manually controlled simple rack system, as all the electronic versions the rack operating lever of the fully mechanical system, is replaced by an electronically controlled add on bit to the mechanical injection pump. Also these are pre-EPA tier 4 which went in effect in 2010-2011. These can be found in like new condition are available and run in the range of $15Kish used in such condition.
Hi, I am new to this forum. Why I joined was I saw your problem and wanted to reach out and say a couple general things, and I will followup with a personal reply when I have time to finish my explanations, both legal and technical. First, when you hired the attorney and tried to get response from MB and met with a strong arm push back... basically you were unjustifiably harassing them: when this happens it means their attorney is hiding something, usually, major... and major means here from serious callous disregard as to a duty owed the customer, and or criminal activity by the Company's managers. That is how you should have read the response. Second, there are major issues with the Bluetec diesel and every single one of them was or had to be know by MB and their managers and engineers. The recent settlement of the EPA/private class action on the Bluetec diesel emission system failures are part but not anywhere near the complete known problems. The attorneys handling it for the class were in my opinion, I am not speaking with naivety, violated their duty under Rule 11, Candor to the court, 37 C.F.R. 11.303 [ https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/37/11.303 ], by withholding the other problems beyond MB cheating in the emissions. The court acted outside of its standards of review as to arbitrary-or-capricious and substantial evidence, due to the withholdings as to all the problems from the court. See one of the fundamentals of English-American Common Law is to provide finality in the dispute resolution, finality includes having all known issues settled, that relate to the issues of the complaint, you cannot hold back without either giving up ability to go back later or as to the Court providing finality. I am working on a little writing explaining the issues involved as to the engineering / management failures, and second as to the technical aspects. In the early 1990s, I ran into similar problems with another IC engine running on a high level of exhaust gas recirculation. That was in a research program run by NASA Harvard, Yale, and MIT Universities. I would have thought those involved at MIT, due to the history of that school with the Taylor bros. and their thermal machines research would have figured it all out... but no... same here. Such are the times we live in. I was thinking, you can fine some really nice 2006-2009 era E class cars without these problems and probably the best of the MB diesels the OM606 engine, and you can on even the electronically controlled fuel injector change the injector pump over to a manually controlled simple rack system, as all the electronic versions the rack operating lever of the fully mechanical system, is replaced by an electronically controlled add on bit to the mechanical injection pump. Also these are pre-EPA tier 4 which went in effect in 2010-2011. These can be found in like new condition are available and run in the range of $15Kish used in such condition.
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Hi, I am new to this forum. Why I joined was I saw your problem and wanted to reach out and say a couple general things, and I will followup with a personal reply when I have time to finish my explanations, both legal and technical. First, when you hired the attorney and tried to get response from MB and met with a strong arm push back... basically you were unjustifiably harassing them: when this happens it means their attorney is hiding something, usually, major... and major means here from serious callous disregard as to a duty owed the customer, and or criminal activity by the Company's managers. That is how you should have read the response. Second, there are major issues with the Bluetec diesel and every single one of them was or had to be know by MB and their managers and engineers. The recent settlement of the EPA/private class action on the Bluetec diesel emission system failures are part but not anywhere near the complete known problems. The attorneys handling it for the class were in my opinion, I am not speaking with naivety, violated their duty under Rule 11, Candor to the court, 37 C.F.R. 11.303 [ [url]https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/37/11.303 ], by withholding the other problems beyond MB cheating in the emissions. The court acted outside of its standards of review as to arbitrary-or-capricious and substantial evidence, due to the withholdings as to all the problems from the court. See one of the fundamentals of English-American Common Law is to provide finality in the dispute resolution, finality includes having all known issues settled, that relate to the issues of the complaint, you cannot hold back without either giving up ability to go back later or as to the Court providing finality. I am working on a little writing explaining the issues involved as to the engineering / management failures, and second as to the technical aspects. In the early 1990s, I ran into similar problems with another IC engine running on a high level of exhaust gas recirculation. That was in a research program run by NASA Harvard, Yale, and MIT Universities. I would have thought those involved at MIT, due to the history of that school with the Taylor bros. and their thermal machines research would have figured it all out... but no... same here. Such are the times we live in. I was thinking, you can fine some really nice 2006-2009 era E class cars without these problems and probably the best of the MB diesels the OM606 engine, and you can on even the electronically controlled fuel injector change the injector pump over to a manually controlled simple rack system, as all the electronic versions the rack operating lever of the fully mechanical system, is replaced by an electronically controlled add on bit to the mechanical injection pump. Also these are pre-EPA tier 4 which went in effect in 2010-2011. These can be found in like new condition are available and run in the range of $15Kish used in such condition.
Hi, I am new to this forum. Why I joined was I saw your problem and wanted to reach out and say a couple general things, and I will followup with a personal reply when I have time to finish my explanations, both legal and technical. First, when you hired the attorney and tried to get response from MB and met with a strong arm push back... basically you were unjustifiably harassing them: when this happens it means their attorney is hiding something, usually, major... and major means here from serious callous disregard as to a duty owed the customer, and or criminal activity by the Company's managers. That is how you should have read the response. Second, there are major issues with the Bluetec diesel and every single one of them was or had to be know by MB and their managers and engineers. The recent settlement of the EPA/private class action on the Bluetec diesel emission system failures are part but not anywhere near the complete known problems. The attorneys handling it for the class were in my opinion, I am not speaking with naivety, violated their duty under Rule 11, Candor to the court, 37 C.F.R. 11.303 [ [url]https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/37/11.303 ], by withholding the other problems beyond MB cheating in the emissions. The court acted outside of its standards of review as to arbitrary-or-capricious and substantial evidence, due to the withholdings as to all the problems from the court. See one of the fundamentals of English-American Common Law is to provide finality in the dispute resolution, finality includes having all known issues settled, that relate to the issues of the complaint, you cannot hold back without either giving up ability to go back later or as to the Court providing finality. I am working on a little writing explaining the issues involved as to the engineering / management failures, and second as to the technical aspects. In the early 1990s, I ran into similar problems with another IC engine running on a high level of exhaust gas recirculation. That was in a research program run by NASA Harvard, Yale, and MIT Universities. I would have thought those involved at MIT, due to the history of that school with the Taylor bros. and their thermal machines research would have figured it all out... but no... same here. Such are the times we live in. I was thinking, you can fine some really nice 2006-2009 era E class cars without these problems and probably the best of the MB diesels the OM606 engine, and you can on even the electronically controlled fuel injector change the injector pump over to a manually controlled simple rack system, as all the electronic versions the rack operating lever of the fully mechanical system, is replaced by an electronically controlled add on bit to the mechanical injection pump. Also these are pre-EPA tier 4 which went in effect in 2010-2011. These can be found in like new condition are available and run in the range of $15Kish used in such condition.
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