dhurley

600k+ miles. Geez

kajtek1

You didn't answer the question

Quan Gu

Not Sure how MB will do the recall. But in Europe, Sprinter van just been recalled for the cheating device.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...les/ar-AAIE09o
FRANKFURT, Oct 11 (Reuters) - German carmaker Daimler is recalling hundreds of thousands of Mercedes-Benz vehicles including Sprinter van models over diesel emissions issues.

Daimler said late on Friday that Germany's road traffic regulator KBA has concluded hearings over certain Mercedes-Benz vehicles with so-called OM651 diesel engines meeting Euro 5 emission standards and has ordered Daimler to carry out recalls.

Weekly Bild am Sonntag on Sunday reported a recall of Mercedes-Benz Sprinter vehicles was imminent after KBA warned the luxury carmaker that the transporter vans may contain illegal engine management software.

Daimler said a "medium six figure" number of vehicles would be affected by the recall, including 260,000 Sprinter vans from a previous generation of vehicles that went out of production in 2016, and that it was fully cooperating with the regulator.

bugelrex

Does anyone know if the German vehicles under diesel recall get some kind of extended warranty after the alterations? I'm expecting an extended warranty is the best we can expect

dkostka

I got 42.5 NJ to Lake Placid. Got to love the Bluetec.

bugelrex

Some movement on the lawsuit. Dont have access to read the story though...

www.law360.com/amp/articles/1215253

Quan Gu

https://www.daimler.com/innovation/d...ecall-faq.html

This is the Diesel recall info for Europe. Basically MB just update the software, they are not paying you even a penny, and no extended warranty.

Benzman444

They did the same in Germany for VW , they basically got away with not paying anything ,so crime does pay in Germany.Here it might be different story I hope .

kajtek1

We don't have Euro6 in USA, so who gives?

Etienne Lau

Read this:https://www.smogtips.com/diesel-smog-test.cfm Does not even look like they actually do an exhaust test on diesels in California. Sooooo, this lawsuit is a waste of everyone's time, money and energy. Move on people.

Quan Gu

Just got a letter from Kazerouni Law group , they want to represent Bluetec owners.

Benzman444

Something is definitely cooking and it might happen very soon, I read in German news just recently Mercedes is preparing for a additional loss of one time payment to fix the bluetec lawsuit in the states for 4 Billion.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...-freeze-wages/

Bern6389

yikes...this might be a repeat of VW.

mellonc

But if the EPA doesn't actively get involved, I don't think anything like a VW style buyback would take place.......

Etienne Lau

That is precisely why I think that this lawsuit is DOA. I have never heard of EPA stating that emissions stuff must work at all temperature ranges even on gasoline powered vehicles, which is what this lawsuit claims that it is unfair and wrong for MB to state that their emissions works with within a certain temperature range.

Benzman444

I think EPA will get involved if the Lawsuit gets won, to save face . Until than ,it will be waiiting game.

Etienne Lau

Keep in mind also, it was CARB and EPA with VW, but at this point neither are involved. And depending on your view point, CARB not getting involved says a lot for the validity of this particular lawsuit.

Benzman444

At first they did not do anything in Germany and than came 1 Billion with a B penalty for which they did not apeal . Secondly why export all the newly made Diesel SUV 2017 2018 back to Germany for “ retrofitting” , because they like to waist money? Or to maybe to minimize the exposure of the potential loss. Now I hear in France there is huge class action lawsuit going on?.

Here the Trump administration obviously got paid to stalled it . They definitely did not count the private class action lawsuit going on now. It remains to be seen, but where there is smoke there is fire.

Etienne Lau

The EPA may have been bought(bribed) by Trump Administration, but that says nothing with respect to the lack of noise from CARB which is a separate entity from EPA.....Their silence is very very interesting to say the least. Also keep in mind, everything published in the news about this situation is not necessarily based on factual data, they are claims made by the law firm and the people being represented....So I personally am not happy with the situation, but at the same time, I am skeptical anything will happen in the near future. My skepticism is based on the fact that the lawsuit has been tossed out once already......had it not been tossed out previously, I would not be so skeptical. Also bear in mind all the previous multiple law firms have dropped out of this as well, leaving just one law firm involved, which also says something about how they view the case and where it's headed. Will they all of a sudden jump back into the fray if there is movement? Maybe.

Benzman444

I found out today something very interesting when I took my 2011 Mercedes E350 gasoline car to the Service center that all the 2007-2010 Mercedes Benz Bluetec models like E320 ML320 GL 320 etc do not have any Bluetec fluid nor containers or anything that even looks like Bluetec like some other newer models do from 2010-2016. My Mechanic has told me this has to be biggest scam, every car has writings on them BLUETEC but they don’t even have no system to trap the exhaust fumes. This all looks like VW deal to scam.

dhurley

2006-2008 ML,GL, & E 320CDI's do not have the SCR Adblue system so they arent bluetec and never claimed to be but they do have a DPF . 2009+ ML,GL, and E 320/350 are Bluetec.

Etienne Lau

@dhurley is correct. Note as he pointed out, they were all called CDI prior to about 2007/2008 and not bluetec. As he pointed out, they never claimed to be Bluetec at all. So not sure why one can claim this is another VW scandal.

Is the water muddy on this issue with MB? Yes it is! Is this issue clear cut like the VW situation? Doubtful, remember VW claimed they were able to reduce NOX without using SCR on their smaller VW Jetta TDI Sedans, and they basically disabled all kinds of stuff when it was detected to be running on rollers. The lawyers involved in this have claimed that MB should not be allowed to disable emission controls if the engine was cold, ie outside of a prescribed temperature range. Is this a requirement from EPA? What rules have they broken? I know that on gasoline engines, EGR valves are not enabled when the engine is cold, so why are emission devices allowed to be disabled on a gasoline engine and not a diesel? The fact that there was a recall in Europe means nothing, because their emission rules/standards are not necessarily the same as they are here in the US.

kajtek1

Bluetec translates to "Blue efficiency" and doesn't depend on DPF or DEF.
It applies to power management and I remember that even some gasoline engines were marked bluetec as well.
The 2008-2009 3l diesels were marked Bluetec in sedans, but not in bigger vehicles, where efficiency was screwed.

sak335

You guys should do your research before you start salivating over a settlement. Comparing the VW diesel issues to the MB diesel "issues" is like comparing apples to mobile phones. They aren't remotely the same thing. The heart of the VW issue was that VW didn't want to retrofit urea injection into it's cars, so it developed the defeat device in order to avoid that expense. The car ran very inefficiently during the testing process, but passed emissions. In the real world, the cars delivered the efficiency and power that VW needed to sell them, but were gross polluters.

MB, on the other hand DID implement urea injection and the vehicles do pass emissions (most of you have never had them tested because most states don't test diesel passenger vehicles) and deliver the power that was advertised.

So what can this lawsuit possible deliver to owners? Nothing.

The recall in Europe was a small software tweak, but MB did not have to provide owners any compensation. If you know the auto business you know that big manufacturers 'self certify' and the regulatory agencies take them on their word until they believe they have a reason to independently test them to verify. Essentially, MB paid a fine in order to sweep this under the rug. The press over-blew the whole diesel thing and MB wanted it to go away because it sells HUGE numbers of diesels in Europe and the rest of the world.

I'm moving to Europe in two weeks and I'm bringing my 2012 GL350 with me. I was over there last week and went to an inspection station to speak with the techs to see if I would run into any trouble. They told me no, that if the vehicle was in good mechanical condition, I will have no issues; the MBs pass just fine. Every taxi in town is a diesel. 90% of the cars that I see driving around on the streets of Helsinki are diesel. Diesel is still cheaper than gas by a pretty wide margin. Diesel isn't going anywhere until the electric charging infrastructure improves and electric car prices drop to the point where they can compete without government rebates.

The lawsuit is going nowhere. Stop relying on the press for your information. They only write stories that sell papers, the truth is never their goal.

Benzman444

Hey everyone is entitled to his own opinion, Judge would not allow the lawsuit to go forward it there was nothing here. Bosch tried to get away from it and they are still on the hook.I guess it remains to be seeing after the lawsuit is over. Me personally got nothing to gain from from this because I don`t own a Diesel Mercedes any more, but some people that do , might be a nice pay off on in the near future.