Quan Gu

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/daiml...203108661.html

MB just settled it in Europe for 1 billion. The USA case is still ongoing.
Any clue how soon it will be settled?

kajtek1

Nitrogen Oxide is not check by USA smogs. we don't have diesels in Vito or C class.
Even E class diesels are very marginal.
Long shoot.

Quan Gu

https://www.hbsslaw.com/cases/merced...etec-emissions

Here is the official USA class action lawsuit. They did road and lab tests on many models in USA. Solid evidences that the emission system intentionally turned off by the defeat device in many real world driving cases.

kajtek1

Looks like one of those "ambulance chaser" law firms.
My Bluetec scored "0" on NV smog check, who is checking particles.
Don't take me wrong, I would not mind if they refund me purchase price on 5 years old car and/or give me a new one

Quan Gu

That law firm is the one won the VW TDI settlement. So it called the ambulance.
MB know it cheated (perfect test results during smog test, but turn on emission system while on the road), that is why it has stopped selling Bluetec in USA.
My concern is: after dragging it for years, the final buyback value might be much lower than the VW settlement.

Benzman444

I think buyback or some form of penalty is coming very soon . They also re-added the BMW again with clear proof of cheating just recently .

Towmater

LMAO. clearly none of you have had any interaction with federal civil cases. This is going to take years and years. So, far they have only amended complaints. Mercedes hasn't even filed a response...

Benzman444

Clearly you assume we did not. It is very common knowledge it might last years and years ,lets not loose the fact it all stared in 2015, maybe just maybe this time EPA will get involved soon enough to speed the the things, I see many lawsuits or class actions lawsuits in Europe and Canada. All this bluetec is fancy cheating way, in my opinion they will get nailed sooner or later and I will cost them billions in the USA.

Quan Gu

The case was started in 2016, MB keep using procedural ground to delay it. That is why VW case has been settled much earlier.
My guess is: is up the MB how long they want to drag this. The earliest time for settlement maybe in 2020. If not, then some top executives in MB might go to jail (similar to VW). And the civil case settle in 2021.

For Blutec engine, cheating device is not the only thing they cheated customers. The quality of the engine really sucks.
For my 2012 R350, (80K miles now), has the following repairs so far : 1) DEF heater , $2k 2)engine cooler sealer leak, $4k 3) EGR recirculation performance $1k. And all these repairs all happened between 50 to 75k miles! They intentionally design the engine to last only 50k miles!
I owned Toyota before, if this is a Toyota, they will issue a recall or repair it under secret warranty since it's on TSB. For MB dealers, you have to google the TSB, and explain to them how to repair it(or they will charge you to figure out what's wrong). Then they use their computer to come up with a hefty bill to scam you!

Benzman444

I agree with you , I personally love diesel Benzes and I always did , but these new ones with bluetech BS just simply plainly suck.

kajtek1

In last few days I am checking if I can buy Sprinter van.
Found 2012 (?) Sprinter Bluetec with 630,000 miles on it. How is that for reliability?
4 or 6-cylinders pulling 12 passengers van?
Vans with 200,000 miles still sell above 50% of new price. Doesn't that say something about appreciation?

Quan Gu

Is that one more evidence that MB intentionally "design" their Bluetec cars/SUV only last 5 years while they actually KNOW how to make it durable?
For my 2012, after 5 years the driver seat even cracked, and the "bluetec" logo fell off!!!! Worst quality I have ever experienced.

Towmater

Did you read the amended complaint?
"Mercedes advertised and promoted BlueTEC Clean Diesel as environmentally friendly" is primarily the claim they are making, which is based on false advertising as opposed to them building a car that falls apart.... I see no "teeth" in this lawsuit.

Benzman444

Yes no teeth maybe , than they have nothing to worry about if they did everything as per law no worries. Also that is why they have to pay one Billion with a B in Germany and there is lot more class action lawsuits pooping up in Canada ,Europe etc

Towmater

None of that is or will be shown to the jury.....

mfab

Wake me up in a few years if anything actually happens.

In the meantime I am going to keep driving my car - just averaged ~43 mpg on a road trip roundtrip between New York to Boston.

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Benzman444

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...mercedes-vans/ slowly but surely it is coming out it seems like .

kajtek1

Doesn't Seattle has more exciting news than reporting Berlin issues?

Vinceledude

This summer daimler announced a projected major lost of revenue due to the cost of legal fees projected in this diesel scandal. Knowing that this car pollutes more than 40 x the legal limit under -10 celcius degrees is terrible. They are lobbying big time to protect their brand’s image. In Europe Daimler decided to proceed to a recall and to compensate owners in order to stop the legal proceedings and to save their image. Are they looking at the north american market the same way?
not sure.

In the VW diesel case, VW group admitted their wrong doing. In this case Daimler is not. Are North American and European standard the same in regard of the anti-pollution system, I don’t know.

When I give a call to mercedes Canada customer service and start asking question about the case, they say they don’t know much about it.

After reading all those mercedes diesel scandal articles, one thing is sure, I was a victim of a fraud and under 10 celcius degrees when sitting at the back of my glk 250, my two young sons breath over polluted exhaust gas.

Quan Gu

Not only at low temperature. MB's cheating software also shut off the EGR valve at most highway and many of local driving conditions.
If they "fix" it, my concern is: then the emission system will work extra hard, which will cause a lot of broken parts. Since their emission system is crappy.
I guess MB executives are preparing for their jail time now. And they might just want to delay it as long as they can.

Benzman444

For this Criminal behavior the best form of punishment should be vehicle 100 % Buyback , choice for which they will try to avoid at any cost. In Europe they are getting away with the murder, here they should not .If the VW had to do it, they should too because increased fuel mileage ,Add Blue fluid , ware on parts these cars are going to be garbage. They were lying and denying since 2016 to the Government, EPA etc these layers should push more than ever for the Buyback, because that is best medicine here .

Quan Gu

Copy/Paste from another thread. This letter was in 2015. It seems this executive will in legal trouble sooner or later.
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An open letter from the heads of Daimler:

"Dear Colleagues,

The "diesel affair" has dominated the media for the past two weeks, and it has naturally been the subject of lively discussion also amongst the workforce. Let us therefore say plainly and simply: Our vehicles are not manipulated and have not been manipulated in the past!

We have never used a so-called "defeat device" – a function that improperly restricts the effectiveness of exhaust-gas aftertreatment. That applies to all of our diesel and gasoline engines worldwide. We comply with applicable laws and regulations and vigorously reject any accusations to the contrary.

We share the indignation about the use of unlawful means to manipulate emission tests, but we defend ourselves against any tendency to cast suspicions of deception on our company. That is exactly what happens when other issues (such as the difference due to the laws of physics between standard fuel consumption and real fuel consumption) are mixed up with unlawful conduct, leading to accusations of deception against the entire automobile industry.

Quite the contrary is true, that we support the preparation of new laws at the European level that should specify more realistic test procedures. We cooperate openly, trustfully and constructively with the responsible authorities, as we have done for many years now, by the way.

Please pass on this information actively. The message is crystal clear: We do not manipulate!

Thank you and best regards,

Dieter Zetsche Wolfgang Bernhard Christine Hohmann-Dennhardt Ola Källenius
Wilfried Porth Hubertus Troska Bodo Uebber Thomas Weber"

Benzman444

hehehe Buyback is coming soon it seem like I`m right. heheheh

bugelrex

.. patiently waiting.... but the fact that its been this long compared to VW's quick turnaround suggests they're unable to find a "smoking gun" evidence of "wrong-doing". Its all very strange...

kajtek1

I wonder if this guy will get full retail price on coming recall?
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...mp2&CMP=stemp2