DUhaust

is it possible to take a e300TD turbo setup and just throw it on a 300ce m103 engine

NorCal124

Not without MAJOR modifications. The only thing you could probably use would be the turbo and the intercooler. Everything else you would have to fabricate from scratch. Honestly, the M103 motor is tuned to its full potential from the factory and doesn't respond well to an added on turbo. You may be able to squeeze out a few drops of HP here and there with your basic performance upgrades but most "performance" mods on 124s are done to make the car look/sound good. If you really want to get more power out of a 124 get a E400/420 or a E500.

Blood2blade

There is a company in holland that has turbo system for mercedes. In 92 they had created two show turbo cars a 300ce coupe and a 300sl and the pics of the cars are on the site with a little info on the cars, here is the link

http://www.mosselmanturbo.com/

Saijin_Naib

300ce 24v I-6 up to approx 320bhp! Yea, I know.. Ive researched the fark out of it to no avail. Ive even called all the authorized mosselman installers/resellers in the US and they all say yeah, its great! changes the car completely. Its also 7000 USD. :C I almost had one pulled from another car used for about 1500 USD but alas, I had no money at the time. id say find it used if you can, but if you can afford the 7000 USD new, please go for it and take many notes so others may learn from you.

hellah fresh

Man for $7000.- that is wayyyyyy too much money. I know a few things about turbo kits, because i used to own a Mitsubishi Eclipse. To tell you the truth, that company that is selling those turbo kits are making at least 500% profit off of each sale. The most exspensive part about a turbo kit is the turbo its self. Thats the main and most exspensive thing out of the whole kit. You can get a nice t3/t4 airsearch turbo for the most $200 or even cheaper price on Ebay. The only tough part is to build the manifold to hold the turbo. Other then taping the oil pans you can probally buy a already tapped oil pan from that site. But yes to let everyone know that piecing up a turbo kit 1 by 1 is WAYYYY cheaper then $7k. Thats just my 2 cents. And also you need a turbo timer which is about $200 or less.

Saijin_Naib

I cant do that **** :| But, the kit they give you is not just the turbo. Its everything you need.. I mean EVERYTHING. The mechanics I talked to that installed them said its very easy because its all there and custom fabbed so it all works. :\ If I had that money to throw around, itd be in my baby in a heart beat.

hellah fresh

Man i know for some people its kinda hard to know what all comes in a turbo kit. Before i never understood and knew what all came in a turbo kit. but heres a main list as for our w124:

2, turbos
2, blow off valve
wastegaste
tapped oilpan
oil return lines
turbo timer
intercooler
pipes
2 manifolds (which holds the turbo to the head)
2 down pipes
6 bigger fuel injectors

Here is a picture of a complete turbo kit for another car.


As you can see its pretty much simple to build and piece your own turbo. as for the boost pressure i think maybe our benz can handle 10psi max!? but i think i'd stay around 7-8psi.

Saijin_Naib

thats the BMW mosselman turbo? And mosselman rates the boost for the w124 24v bi-turbo as .42bar default which is like 6-7psi. Not too bad?

hellah fresh

I dont think that is the BMW turbokit or is it? I just got the picture as an example of how simple the turbokit is. 6-7 psi is plenty. Also on the safe side too. But if the engine have a ported head and polished intakemani with a built bottom block you can go 20-30psi max. but other then that you can run 15-18psi for daily driving. But i dont know much about our engines yet. I know somewhere they should make new heads and pistons as well.

Saijin_Naib

Argh... so hard for our cars.. But anyway, I want that turbo damnit! I want my car to haul ***!

shadowgriffen

I hear you, too much $$$.

Listen up folks, the best way to make our cars "haul ***" is by finding us a good ol' C36 AMG motor + tranny, bolt it on and BAM! there you go,you got yourself a pretty decent *** hauler.

Saijin_Naib

>:| I looked and that would run me about 20k USD! Thats insaaaane. Has anyone done this c36 engine/transmission swap? If so, I want to see some timeslips.

shadowgriffen

20K are you serious?

Thats ****ing armed robbery

Saijin_Naib

Yah, found c36 engine pulled from car without super or anything (just the block basically) for 14K and the transmission for about 4k. Wtf? I think that would come out to about the same numbers as getting the mosselman bi-turbo.

shadowgriffen

Yea in that case I'll stick to mosselman

Saijin_Naib

you post fast yung grasshoppa I wonder if the mosslman requires a beefed up transmission?

crr1612

the guy i bought my 300ce from also had an 88 300ce twin turbo with the amg body kit....i believe it was BZNHALFDZN. i suppose you can ask him about it. that car is sick


some pics of it i found



ps....sorry john for posting your pics without permission.

found one of the engine....the m103 takes up so little space...

Saijin_Naib

hellah fresh

DUDE you dont want to spen 20k JUST for a c36 motor. Also think about the labor cost to install it.. $25k total!?!?!? F* that man if im going to spend $25k im getting me a new car. Its a no brainer. But yeah the cheapest and best route is twin turbo. And yeah piece it up yourself it will be alot cheaper.

Saijin_Naib

How though? Like... how can I make my own biturbo kit? I cant even find any of the parts mosselman uses

Lancelot

Hah! My 300TE would go from 188 to 292hp?!?! I think that wouldn't be wise to do to a 15 y/o car! Anyway what anyone here seems to forget is that you would need brake system mods as well as tranny mods?!?!

CDP

umm... Who said it was 25K to do a C36 swap? I know of two people who already done the swap in their 190E's and it wasn't ANYWHERE near that price you've given...

500E brakes will do the job just right.

hellah fresh

Dude our car is works exactlly the same as an import do. You do not need no tranny mods. Not unless your going for a fully built race motor. Other then that we are just trying to achieve more HP from our stock motor with out touching the tranny. Basically intall the turbokit and then new injectors. As for the boost control.. you can find or make a manual boost control. From our stock motor we can runs at least 6-7psi.