nezzy_dawg

ok well i found a 1991 amg e 50 for sale , has 38,000 km, japan import but lhd, perfect condition inside and out , just really dirty lol.selling it for 7000 , good price?? it's an inline 6 i beleive, it has some package called yanazis, or something. what is this car worth?? hows the gas mileage? are they good cars? looks amazing drives like a boat but i like it. please help me out
sorry for crappy pics, camera phone

2PHAST

E50 was a 1996 W210, no W124 ever held this title. There was a E60, but that was a 6 liter V8

Looks like a modded 300e to me, they are quite common in Japan.

Eliot

Can you provide a VIN?

I agree with 2Phast. Thats a modded something, probably an E320. It has a second generation AMG front bumper (can't tell if the rest is there as well), an aftermarket grill, and AMG Aero II wheels. The repeaters in front quarter panels suggest that its an import model. They were not included in North American cars but one can add them later.

Parshman

it also appears that the hood is of a different year

shadowgriffen

I would pay 7K for a regular 300E beater with 100K miles!

go for it! nice car! Although def not an e50 for sure.

Parshman

Just stumbled across this site. The only down side is its in japanese. Basically the whole breakdown of the w124 AMGs. http://homepage3.nifty.com/s124factory/conpuriamg.html

shadowgriffen

Nice, very nice.

nezzy_dawg

what mb's came with an inline 6, so your telling my this is not a amg?? what is it then lol. all i know is this car looks good,all i would do is get rid of the wheels. how much would u guess this car is worth???

Eliot

Its worth what someones willing to pay. Individually the modded components might have some value but on the car they don't add much more than a penny. Those wheels go for 650 apiece new or 480 if your getting a deal. A complete and genuine AMG bodykit costs several thousand.

They should have paperwork if it was. Also AMG would have attached metal ID plates to the same effect. The reason it appears no to be is the entirely fictitious name, there was no E50. Also the bodykit and hood are elements of later cars. A 1991 AMG would look boxier with a prominent square grill instead of the shallower sculpted one on that car.

If you shared the VIN we could be a bit more definitive.

Parshman

It looks like an E36 front bumper, Its look like theres a sportline badge on the side unless thats the marking of the fictious package. Doesn't neccessarily need papers because you could get the engine mod in that year to show up on the vin, thought the engine itself would be labeled. Some so called experts have been proven wrong in the past, but one thing is that the hood does not match the year, nor does the front bumper. It looks like the car has a ducktail spoiler but can't tell for sure in the picture.

shadowgriffen

that's a very complicated question, even their entry level sedans came with inline six engines since the 1930's...

2PHAST

MB started tracking AMG options ordered on a NEW vehicle in 1992, not 1991. Also, this could of been a vehicle bought stock, then shipped to AMG for complete modification, so it is also possible to have a post 1992 model, be an actual AMG WITHOUT VIN verification.

Most of this data is confusing, as AMG never kept accurate records till MB acquired them, plus, all of this never occured in the US, it was Europe/Japan.

Japan is a different story altogether though, as AMG Japan built many vehicles that were different then what was available outside of Japan.

One notable JDM only vehicle was the 400e AMG stage III, it actually had bolt on fender flares (to accomadate the wide three piece AMG wheels) not unlike what the 16 valve 190e had. This was a vehicle never available outside of Japan.

Mosselmann

Get some pictures of the engine, looks nice

White_Knuckles

Two concerns -

There are some very crafty body guys out there. Front end damage can be hidden with easy to get aftermarket parts like grilles, air-dams etc. The owner may have been tweaking her or cheap parts were ordered before paint. That grille often sold as an inexpensive plastic bugger.

Imports can be scary as the foreign title may not indicate actual mileage. It's a mechanical odometer that could be rolled. CarFax won't have records of the title. High mile Canadian cars show up in my state with some interesting buyer stories where at 50K they're paying repairs like it was 200K. Hmmmm.

Eliot

Is that what I'm seeing in this photo?

nezzy_dawg

so why would they put e 50 on the back of the car?? now i dont know if i want to buy this car lol, but it looks so good. if i got the number would that help??the car does say sportline on the side, if that means anything at all, i that that is the right miles on the car becuause it still smells newish in the car... going to get more pics later on

thats the engine

nezzy_dawg

is it possible that it's a e 500 and the 0 in the 500 is missing to e 50??? mabye?

Eliot

In that era both Mercedes and any AMG variants were sold by displacement. For example that bodykit was fitted to the AMG E36 which was a straight six driven sedan fitted upgunned from 3.2 liters to 3.6 liters. Thats a straight six in the photo and getting 5.0 liters from it is, well, implausible. Does it have an E50 badge on the trunk lid? What sort of paperwork do they have? Anyone could by an AMG embossed air box but the block does have AMG stickers on top of it which makes me lean towards real as does your mention of the Janase sticker. If it is an E36 (which would require that 91 date being wrong) then your looking at roughly E420 performance. Given the usual fittings for an AMG then 7,000 seems reasonable although the E420 would cost less.



This is a M119 engine. It powered several models through the 90s including the 500E/E500 and the AMG E60. Photo courtesy of 2Phast.

RBYCC

PIC OF ENGINE YOU POSTED DOESN'T EVEN APPEAR TO BE A LATE MODEL M104-24V

Looks more like the early 24V M104.980 engine, basically the 3.0 liter M103 with a 24V head, and produced from 1989-1992 on the pre-face lift cars.

Possible give away is the air cleaner that appears to be sitting on top of a KE-Jetronic III air assembly ?
The AMG 3.6 liter engine used the HFM injection that was installed on the 1992-1995 M104-992 engines.

Pop off the front black cover and you should find a distributor underneath !
The raised section at the front of the cover usually is an indication.

Wasn't the AMG 3.6 introduced in 1995 both in the new W202 C-class and the late model W124 E-class based on the M104-992 engine ????
E36 should look more like this and have AMG labels in the engine bay that identify the engine with HP and Torque figures.

2PHAST

The picture of the silver 400e is indeed a AMG stage III JDM vehicle (built by AMG of Japan).

The M104 engine pictured is a AMG motor, at least the air cleaner is correct and the valve cover has what appears to be the correct AMG stickers on it. A closer inspection of the AMG decals should indicate the displacement (if I remember correctly, but I could be wrong)

My understanding of the 300e was that it received the M104 in 1992 (Europe). The US received the 3.2l HFM M104 in 1993 for the 300e. The 300CE received the motor (US) starting in 1990. If this is a 1991, then its possible the engine was a transplant or my data is incorrect.

The E50 emblem is out of place. Given the other modifications to that particular vehicle, one of the previous owners probably put it on.

Eliot

Thank you I've never opened the hood on one of the six cylinders before. My tongue has a habit of getting ahead of my competence.

shadowgriffen

Yes, just like the 2.3 16

RBYCC

The W201's and W124's were "rice" before the first Lambo door was ever hung on a Civic ( I actually parked next to one today when I went to DMV to renew my license !! )

Tuning, modifying, customizing, rodding, whatever the era called it is and will always be great, regardless of how old you get.

If you never got your hands dirty then you can't truly appreciate what your driving !!

E4///Turbo

I don't think the AMG 3.6 started life as a 3.2,I could be wrong but I believe it was a 2.8 with Diesel crank, the 3.2 punched out to 3.6 is a very reliable on Boost Turbo/but the 3.6 has to be destroked to 3.4 or smaller to live a healthy life..Right now we have a C36 turbo going but it is based around a 3.2 block/3.2 head pushed to 3.4.........
you can't just drop a 3.2 block in a C36, without moving a few things around as we are finding out....

2PHAST

AMG used what was available at that time in history as the building block for their modifications. If the largest displacement engine was 3.0, they would use that.

The 2.8l M104 was used for the 3.6l conversion of the C36, as the C36 is a converted C280.