geosss

does anybody know if it is posible for a 500e engine transplant into my 320 ce/
i have this very good deal on a 500e engine and trans, and i was always thinking at this switch,
did anybody do it?
i wonder if the coupe has the same dimensions as the sedan.
if posible i wouldn't wana skip this deal. thanks guys

rivcal4life

Yes anything is posisible man. It has been done a few times. It will not be easy tho and it will not be cheap. Does the engine come with all acc? Alternator, pumps, computers, ezl? Are you prepared to relocate your battery to the trunk? (unless the m104 coupe already has the battery in the trunk)

Saijin_Naib

I can only speak for the 1990 m104 300ce, but our battery is certainly in the engine compartment.

Jim's500E

You can buy a 500E for less than it would cost to transplant their engine into another car...

bsmuwk

Why have a 500E when you could make a 500CE?

Saijin_Naib

This.

I love the coupe, but they ****ed up big time IMO by not providing it with a larger power plant.

Why not swap in the C36 engine & trans? From what I understand, on the 1994/1995 coupes which share the same electronics system its basically plug & play.

RHW

JMO.
I'd prefer Ed's 88 turbo coupe even after powerplant and suspension are both dialed in on the ce500.

The 500's draw is more than just a mild-to-wild powerplant- it's hard to imagine outperforming or matching the porsche team's suspension work. And dialing in the ce500's suspension with the added weight could take some time.

But if you did it... you are right about the attention it would command.

geosss

i have considered all kinds of stuff, from the turbo, to super charge , to even c36 engine,
but the problem is, first of . turbo, verry expensive, if done right, with good quality parts, and verry few hors power , i'l get what like 320 hp maybe, but is the engine 100k and trans gona take it?
i already have a shock in changing from first to secound gear. so i don't know about that and it will get me at least 7 to 10 k to do it right?
c36 engine easy swap but hard to find the engine. i found one in germany 3000$ but with shipping, and labour, = my old trans. again 10k and still theres a lot of extras.
and about 350hp.
with the 500 engine though, i am getting the full car for a verry good price, salavge title, all damaged cosmetic, but perfect thecnical , all i'm doing swap from this to that, adn if i need something is there.
i think this is the easiest swap i can do it will get me around 10k also but i get the moust hp, because the ce its lighter than 500e,
all i want to know is if it has the same dimensins like: if i can change the rear dif, with axels, driveshaft, trans and engine from one to another.
i think they have the same specs , but i'm not shure thats why i wanted to double check with you

joef

Here!
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w124...-v8-400ce.html

RBYCC

Why not attempt to swap the front and rear subframes out?

In essence putting the C124 unibody on the 500E front and rear frames...
You'll need to install the 500E front sheetmetal and roll the rear wheel arches.

Still will require mods to the firewall bulkheads and underpan to make the V8 fit.

ceed09

There is a company called LOTEC that does customized w124 300CEs. It has radical body kits and the engine is turbocharged pumping a mean 380 HP. I am trying to attach a photo of the car that is being sold by my friend from Japan but my photobucket account is acting up so I am just attaching the link. Maybe the company has the turbo kit for sale which can be a viable alternative to an engine swap.


http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a..._09/lotec1.jpg

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a..._09/lotec2.jpg

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a..._09/lotec3.jpg

RBYCC

Lotec did very few turbo installs on the M103/M104.

The common period twin turbo installs were by Mosselman and TurboTechnics.

TurboTechnic installs were exclusive to new delivery Mercs by a U.K. Merc dealer.
Probably 100 kits made by TT and cars still running twenty years later and approaching 200K miles

geosss

the thing is i wasn't thinking only about engine and trans, i was thinking more like lift up bouth cars and swap everithing from one to the other one, but i don't know if it has the same dimensions,

Quicksilver500

If you think turbo and C36 is $$$$ wait till you get into making the 300 engine bay a 500 engine bay. Different firewall, cross member, harness, battery location, etc. Get on cragislist, or salvage yard websites, you can get a 36 motor for <3k here in the states no problem.

The 500E was purpose build from a 400E. There is a reason it took 18 days to manufacture, cause its fancy.

geosss

it might be true, but that was my reason of lookin for a full car, you have everithing you need right there, from cluster to steering box, to trans, dif, abs, asr, everithing.
i dont know,
now i'm thinking more of just keep it the way it is with the 320 engine and do a man trans on it.

bsmuwk

and i wonder who's gunna show you how to do that.

AMGDave

Hmmm. You might want to read this thread, especially the dyno results near the end. The transmission can be built to handle whatever power you can produce.


Not sure I understand...? Are you asking about the cost to switch to 1st gear start? That's easy & cheap.



Used AMG C36 engines are available all over the USA for under $2k. This would definitely be the easiest and cheapest route, although if you want over 300hp from it you'll need forced induction or NOS.



Getting the full 500E is the only way to do it if you really want to make a 500CE (i.e., if you just bought the engine & tranny you'd be hosed - you need a complete donor car). Even so, it would be a HUGE HUGE project. And the 5.0L will still only make 320-340hp at most (again, unless you do forced induction, $$$$) but it will make a lot more torque than the (normally aspirated) 6-cyl engines. Swapping the rear subframe and suspension is the easy part, the hard part will be all the sheet metal work required around the firewall and engine crossmember. I wouldn't even think about this swap unless you have a ton of money burning a hole in your pocket. Putting an M119 into a 300CE will be 10x harder than putting a C36 motor in the 300CE.

rivcal4life

Dave, I think he means his tranny is shifting rough from first to second.

geosss

yea the was what i menant, now afther a lot of thinking, i'm 90% on going for the swap,
i looked around for couple of shops , and i got some prices , but i have to make sure that who ever does it knows waht theyre doing, so if any sugestions, n chicago area , please helpe.
i'm sorry for the 500e, nice car, but i'll bee happy for my 500ce more than that i think.

RBYCC

If you're in Chicago, then contact Brian Murphy at Willow Automotive.
I had enough confidence in Brian that I had my car transported from the East Coast so he could do my suspension and twin turbo install.
Autoweek in 1987 quoted ***** Mosselman stating that Brian could make his kits go faster then he could.

http://www.willowauto.com/tuningcenter.html

He's got in depth knowledge on the V8 conversions that AMG Central performed at Westmont.
It will not be inexpensive (my guess about $20K ), but it will be correct, reliable and did I say fast !!.




Ed A.

the_widebody

that lotec is the best looking merc ever produced

geosss

20k its a lot
i really don't know what to do cause i have no garage, small driveway, 3 work vans my broders car my fiance"s car and mine2 merc, realy have to decide before snow's commin,
what i'm gona do i will list them bouth for sale , which one will sell first i'll keep the other one.
cause my heart is with the coupe, i did it on my taste, but the 500 has the juice in it i want so it is verry hard to decide.

AndreNY

wow for $20K your better off with a E55 Engine

akuma4me

Post some pics of the car. BTW, am looking for a Gen I Kit

geosss

i did some investig. and find out two good shops , mb specialists, and bouth gave me an about 10k fiigure for the swapin.
at this piont i'm just not , gona do it . but i'm still a litle bit tepmted.
if it wern't for the 500e to be n this good shape , i would've done it already,
but in this situation, i'm thinkig, 10k, and a good 500e, i don't know if it's worth it